Is retaliation acceptable

[stan]

haha... then Macca has a crack at cookie because he called him a druggie..... a bit too much fire in his belly for the wrong reasons.

i played with Macca at wingfield a couple years ago, everyone knows he's a druggie..... only got told the truth to his face and he didn't like it.... if that's all it takes to get him going look out....

on the topic, retaliation is what people want, that's why they hit you, they want a fight. the best footballers are the ones who can cop the hit and play on, focus your anger/emotions on the footy. so no retaliation is not acceptable if you ask me.

Seen Macca (number 7) give cooke a cheap shot behind play,umpire's seen it he got sent off but no report????? if seen why not?to lazy to go to hearing on a wednesday night?Cooke to his credit took the hit laught it off and went on to cut PHOS up and get best,thats the way to retaliate

Too right wattle, thats were you hurt those types of teams - The scoreboard.

[Bubbula]

haha... then Macca has a crack at cookie because he called him a druggie..... a bit too much fire in his belly for the wrong reasons.

i played with Macca at wingfield a couple years ago, everyone knows he's a druggie..... only got told the truth to his face and he didn't like it.... if that's all it takes to get him going look out....

on the topic, retaliation is what people want, that's why they hit you, they want a fight. the best footballers are the ones who can cop the hit and play on, focus your anger/emotions on the footy. so no retaliation is not acceptable if you ask me.

Seen Macca (number 7) give cooke a cheap shot behind play,umpire's seen it he got sent off but no report????? if seen why not?to lazy to go to hearing on a wednesday night?Cooke to his credit took the hit laught it off and went on to cut PHOS up and get best,thats the way to retaliate

This was quite a funny incedent. Did see the shot but the wording pre-hit was priceless. Thats the positive way at looking at it wattle. Unfortunately these days though to many a team go the knuckle cos they cant pressur the scorers. But that may be well confined to C Grade mostly. As soon as they belt you you've done your job if that was your intention and when you do go onto beat them on the scoreboard really let the culprit know about it.

[livefooty]

eye for an eye !!but what happens on the field stays on the field i say

[LaughingKookaburra]

eye for an eye !!but what happens on the field stays on the field i say

What if a bloke has his skull fractured and can't work because of some d*ckhead can't control his whiteline fever? The bloke has his own business and has 3 kids........ What happens on the field stays on the field I agree, but there are circumstances that go beyond that. Alot of stuff that goes on people would be put in gaol if it happened on the streets. We all know the limits, theres biff and theres thuggery, for me the second should also be persued by the law and not just the league.

[Tooting Bec]

Had a situation last year where a teammate was elbowed 20 m off the ball. He suffered a depressed cheekbone fracture and had a crushed orbital fracture (eye socket) and missed work for 3 months and had to have plates put in his face. The guy got 7 weeks but when my teamate went to the cops they thought it was a bit of a joke until they showed video footage of the incident. He tried unsuccessfully to sue him in th civil court but because the offender didn't have any assetts he couldn't get anything out of it. He did get something through victims of crime compensation (or is trying).

That incident was the worst i've seen in the 12 years I've been playing senior footy.

The bloke ended up with an assault charge but other than that walked away free as a bird. Total Crap.

[amber_fluid]

eye for an eye !!but what happens on the field stays on the field i say

What if a bloke has his skull fractured and can't work because of some d*ckhead can't control his whiteline fever? The bloke has his own business and has 3 kids........ What happens on the field stays on the field I agree, but there are circumstances that go beyond that. Alot of stuff that goes on people would be put in gaol if it happened on the streets. We all know the limits, theres biff and theres thuggery, for me the second should also be persued by the law and not just the league.

Good post LK.............totally agree.

[Bubbula]

In self defence it is hard to calculate how hard you belt someone because your in fear for your own safety and wellbeing

[Jimmy_041]

Had a situation last year where a teammate was elbowed 20 m off the ball. He suffered a depressed cheekbone fracture and had a crushed orbital fracture (eye socket) and missed work for 3 months and had to have plates put in his face. The guy got 7 weeks but when my teamate went to the cops they thought it was a bit of a joke until they showed video footage of the incident. He tried unsuccessfully to sue him in th civil court but because the offender didn't have any assetts he couldn't get anything out of it. He did get something through victims of crime compensation (or is trying).

That incident was the worst i've seen in the 12 years I've been playing senior footy.

The bloke ended up with an assault charge but other than that walked away free as a bird. Total Crap.

I saw a similar incident a few years back - Player A on the ground facing up. Player B on top of him punched him in the face. Because his head was on the ground, it didn't go back. 3 plates in the cheekbone / eye socket area. Never played footy again

Player B was given;

8 matches
Pleaded guilty to assault occasioning actual bodily harm
Paid a settlement following civil action
I dont think he has ever played footy again

His comment to the cops: "You cant charge me, it happened on the footy field"

F#$% him - hope he is still paying for it

[LaughingKookaburra]

In self defence it is hard to calculate how hard you belt someone because your in fear for your own safety and wellbeing

Once again theres a difference between biff and thuggery. Grabbing someones guernsey after a heated situation and throwing a couple of jumper punches is totally different to a bloke copping a raised elbow behind the play to the jaw or getting completely king hit whilst standing still. Need to be tougher on these pricks, mind you I do not see it as much as I saw it lets say 10 years ago even on the local grounds.

[Shake n Bake]

Anyone who wants to fight on the footy field should probably be in the boxing ring... After all it is called football!

[Bubbula]

Anyone who wants to fight on the footy field should probably be in the boxing ring... After all it is called football!

so would kicking someone in the balls be ok...

[fisho mcspaz]

If someone hits me I don't mind so much but I don't like seeing people belt someone else unprovoked. Retaliation? Sock them in the nose and then call out to the umpire that they're bleeding - then they get sent off.

[livefooty]

totally agree LK ,but when i say eye for an eye i mean if someone belts you in the head then you have some right to retaliate,i know people say the better man walks away but not everyone rolls that way !eg ,i was in a incident were i was punched in the back of the head fairly hard ,when my back was turned so i turned around n punched him in the face , i broke his cheek bone n eye socket. i got 3 weeks for it. he went to hospital n also missed some work , n i totally regret what happen now!!i shouldn of hit him so hard . but i feel if you get provoked in that way its eye for an eye, i did apologise 2 him later.he didnt except it ! heard he was going to take legal action but it never happened.everyone will have different opinions on retaliation but this is mine n like i said i tottaly regret what i did. if it happens again i probhably will go about it alot different .

[jointman]

[quote="livefooty"]totally agree LK ,but when i say eye for an eye i mean if someone belts you in the head then you have some right to retaliate,i know people say the better man walks away but not everyone rolls that way !eg ,i was in a incident were i was punched in the back of the head fairly hard ,when my back was turned so i turned around n punched him in the face , i broke his cheek bone n eye socket. i got 3 weeks for it. he went to hospital n also missed some work , n i totally regret what happen now!!i shouldn of hit him so hard . but i feel if you get provoked in that way its eye for an eye, i did apologise 2 him later.he didnt except it ! heard he was going to take legal action but it never happened.everyone will have different opinions on retaliation but this is mine n like i said i tottaly regret what i did. if it happens again i probhably will go about it alot different .[when something like that happend grab his number-when he goes for a mark smack him in the back of the head then he'll know you haven't forgotten-or in a pack give hom a quick upper cut

[Lunchcutter]

just my opinion but i reckon retaliation is not acceptable, but would hasten to say its a very personal belief ... like is capital punishment acceptable? It is my belief that to retaliate is to lower oneself to that of the attacker/abuser but then again its a case by case scenario surely; if one of my family or loved ones was threatened I might well not be able to fight that natural instinct to retaliate/react .. just my thoughts but I know I have been put to the test a few times in my life and I can honestly say that as I get older the urge to retaliate is becoming easier to control.. Peace

[The Panther]

I think it is very hard not to throw one back if you are being hit. The problem is that sometimes retaliation comes later in the game sometimes an hour later or even the next time teams play each other.
If someone is throwing punches at you , what should you do, stand and cop it ?
Also many players dish it out , then one day run in to some one who dishes it back better , then go down the legal channels. I find this a bit hypocritical.
At the end of the day footy is a lot cleaner than it was even 5 years ago. An indication of this is that many of the young kids in teams don't mind giving out a bit of lip to the opposition. I remember playing senior footy at 18 , i certainly didn't sprout off at the oppositions big hairy CHB, for fear he would snap me in half.

[Jimmy_041]

I always remember playing against this guy that would snipe at the younger guys. Always behind the play.

He played with a helmet on - that says enough for starters... I dont mind helmets but no go for a sniper

Anyway, we played them one Saturday and were waiting for him to start.

As he was waiting, one of our guys started on him. During the melee I grabbed his helmet and ripped it of his head and shoved up the back of my jumper. I walked over and gave it to our goal umpire and told him to put it in his pocket.

The guy left the field and wouldn't come back on til we gave his helmet back. They actually got the field umpire to come into our rooms at half time and threaten to report the team for stealing his helmet. We just shrugged and said no-one knew where it was.

He didn't come back on the field for the second half - gutsy effort.

The second time we played them, he didn't play and just mouthed off from the sidelines - as you can imagine, he copped a lot more back and eventually shut up when his own team mates were laughing at some of the comments.

[HH3]

Im a bit of a smartarse on the field and love to give it to my opponent. Ive been playing senior footy since i was 14 in the SAAFL and as soon as i noticed how much it hurt the big tough guys egos when a little runt is giving it to them, i suddenly got a bit faster. Ive been on the end of a few behind play incidents and think that if its just a jumper punch or and open palm hit, its not really worth doing anything. You dont know the people that your playing against personally, so you dont know how they are going to react. Not really much point punching someone if it means your gonna be king hit from behind. My retaliation: keep giving it to them. They are even more cut because they realise your tougher than they are because, if you stop playing your natural game, the terrorists have won.

[Punk Rooster]

I've been on the recieving end of a few "spirited contests", & just like to get on with the game.
I do expect others to recieve as they give it.

My definition of toughness is those who can take it (hard hits/the odd stray punch) without the need to start a blue.
My definition of gutless is those who go around belting people, yet aren't able to cop it on the chin back, without resorting to a blue.

[jointman]

i always said get there number and they'll remeber you next time when they go for the pill