Ben Cousins

[Deemu]

I propose a name change to throw them off the scent and solve all his problems.... maybe to 'Gary' or 'Charles' Cousins...Haha. As much as i love the guy i'd be surprised if he turns it all around.... especially when a reliable source indicated to me he still hangs with his old mate Gardiner and his sketchy mates.

[norm11]

They must have been short of sport to put in the paper tody to write that port might pick him

[Footy Chick]

I propose a name change to throw them off the scent and solve all his problems.... maybe to 'Gary' or 'Charles' Cousins...Haha. As much as i love the guy i'd be surprised if he turns it all around.... especially when a reliable source indicated to me he still hangs with his old mate Gardiner and his sketchy mates.

Which is why it's a bigger joke that the league is even entertaining the idea of St Kilda picking him up.

[hereforthebeer]

I propose a name change to throw them off the scent and solve all his problems.... maybe to 'Gary' or 'Charles' Cousins...Haha. As much as i love the guy i'd be surprised if he turns it all around.... especially when a reliable source indicated to me he still hangs with his old mate Gardiner and his sketchy mates.

Which is why it's a bigger joke that the league is even entertaining the idea of St Kilda picking him up.

i dont understand why a club who is in a premiership window wouldnt want to pick him up, he is over 30 so he can go on the veterans list. he will probably play for hardly anything just because he wants to play, i realise he has been out the game for a year or so but not through an injury as such so his body would still be in reasonable shape, i would have thought he would be a good fit at st kilda, hell we will have at carlton if no one else wants him

[Rik E Boy]

Just wondering, what is it he was found guilty of?

Being a smug arsewipe. Lock him up.

regards,

REB

[rod_rooster]

Just wondering, what is it he was found guilty of?

Being a smug arsewipe. Lock him up.

regards,

REB

Hmmmmm, you and i would have been behind bars for some time by now if that was a law

Not to mention Harbajhan Singh

[wycbloods]

I propose a name change to throw them off the scent and solve all his problems.... maybe to 'Gary' or 'Charles' Cousins...Haha. As much as i love the guy i'd be surprised if he turns it all around.... especially when a reliable source indicated to me he still hangs with his old mate Gardiner and his sketchy mates.

Which is why it's a bigger joke that the league is even entertaining the idea of St Kilda picking him up.

i dont understand why a club who is in a premiership window wouldnt want to pick him up, he is over 30 so he can go on the veterans list. he will probably play for hardly anything just because he wants to play, i realise he has been out the game for a year or so but not through an injury as such so his body would still be in reasonable shape, i would have thought he would be a good fit at st kilda, hell we will have at carlton if no one else wants him

Can't they only be on the veterans list if they were at the club for x many years?

[Psyber]

Just wondering, what is it he was found guilty of?

Being a smug arsewipe. Lock him up.
regards,
REB

That fits with the report in today's The Age that he turned up for a urine and hair test a few weeks ago with his hair cropped too short to sample, and his body waxed.
The report suggested he has been told that doing that again will be treated as a failed test.

His urine sample was clear, but that only measures much more recent use...

[Booney]

Why should it apply to all addictive substances though?

Who's saying it does? Have I missed something? I thought it was just illegal drugs that would lead him to be suspended again.

Booney, he's admitted he is/was an addict. In this situation, it's irrelevant whether he's ever been convicted by the police. If an employee in a zero-tolerance work place fails a proper test then he can't say "oh hang on the Police have never convicted me of anything". That's ridiculous.

Im not suggesting it is the police that have found him guilty of anything,it was purely and example I used. I was trying to point out the AFL have not tested him positive for anything.

[Booney]

Just wondering, what is it he was found guilty of?

Being a smug arsewipe. Lock him up.
regards,
REB

That fits with the report in today's The Age that he turned up for a urine and hair test a few weeks ago with his hair cropped too short to sample, and his body waxed.
The report suggested he has been told that doing that again will be treated as a failed test.

His urine sample was clear, but that only measures much more recent use...

Lucky Mrs.Boon cant get any pics of that....

[rod_rooster]

Just wondering, what is it he was found guilty of?

Being a smug arsewipe. Lock him up.
regards,
REB

That fits with the report in today's The Age that he turned up for a urine and hair test a few weeks ago with his hair cropped too short to sample, and his body waxed.
The report suggested he has been told that doing that again will be treated as a failed test.

His urine sample was clear, but that only measures much more recent use...

I have my hair shorter than 3cm as well. It's not a crime to have short hair and it's not Cousins' fault that the testing systems in place are so obviously flawed.

By the way i don't think you could suggest that Cousins having short hair and waxing his body is something he has done to avoid a test. It's nothing new.

[rogernumber10]

Couple of points to various questions raised so far:

- He is only being tested for llicit Drugs on the ASADA banned list, plus ketamine. No tests for nicotine etc. The full list of banned substances is updated each season, but is available on the ASADA website. Only the AFL, NRL and cricket test for these drugs away from competition, but they are on the banned list because they are deemed as performance-enhancing in some form if they are in your system on match-day.

Hence, if Bill Smith had cocaine in his system on match day, he gets two years if ASADA tests him and catches him.
ASADA would not test player Bill Smith in the middle of November when he's at pre-season training, for an illicit drug (only things such as steroids etc), but if the AFL illicit drug policy tests him and he has cocaine in his system (not performance-enhancing at this time), then Bill Smith has a failed test under the illicit code.
Fail once - (rehab program starts and you are subject to target tests).
Fail twice - (more intensive rehab program and you are subject to a greater number of target tests. also a suspended six-game suspension to your record, to be activated on any future breach).
Fail third time - (publicly named, minimum suspension of 12 weeks, plus the activation of the six weeks from the second test).

Separately, Ben Cousins can't be a veteran player, with half his salary outside the TPP cap, for any club bar West Coast. You can only be a veteran player if you have had 10 years at that club.

[rod_rooster]

Thanks roger. That clears up a lot of confusion.

[Hondo]

Im not suggesting it is the police that have found him guilty of anything,it was purely and example I used. I was trying to point out the AFL have not tested him positive for anything.

Rog can correct me if I am wrong here, but ..... as far as I am aware the AFL found him guilty of "bringing the game into disrepute", rightly or wrongly. That was their judgement based on the facts they had in front of them. So I assume the lack of a positive drug test was irrelevant, as I said before.

Besides, Cousins basically took the need for a positive test out of the equation when he admitted to it. Although even that was probably unnecessary when the situation seemed common knowledge to anyone involved in the AFL.

[rod_rooster]

Im not suggesting it is the police that have found him guilty of anything,it was purely and example I used. I was trying to point out the AFL have not tested him positive for anything.

Rog can correct me if I am wrong here, but ..... as far as I am aware the AFL found him guilty of "bringing the game into disrepute", rightly or wrongly. That was their judgement based on the facts they had in front of them. So I assume the lack of a positive drug test was irrelevant, as I said before.

Besides, Cousins basically took the need for a positive test out of the equation when he admitted to it. Although even that was probably unnecessary when the situation seemed common knowledge to anyone involved in the AFL.

Might not have been necessary for you or others but admitting he had a problem would have been a very very significant step for Ben and his recovery.

[Hondo]

Rod I meant the AFL possibly didn't need an admission from Ben to still find him guilty of "bringing the game into disrepute", due to having enough other evidence.

I agree with you I expect the admission was very necessary for him on a personal level

[rod_rooster]

Sorry hondo. I misinterpreted what you said.

[dinglinga]

can we ONLY assume he hasnt tested positive yet with the AFL

remember this is confidential

[Psyber]

.. I have my hair shorter than 3cm as well. It's not a crime to have short hair and it's not Cousins' fault that the testing systems in place are so obviously flawed.
By the way i don't think you could suggest that Cousins having short hair and waxing his body is something he has done to avoid a test. It's nothing new.

In this context he has an obligation to present so that sampling is possible, and knows that, and doing otherwise is thus being provocative.
So, they have rightly reminded him of his obligation if he wants to be a registered player.
Fashion doesn't over-ride that obligation.

[rod_rooster]

.. I have my hair shorter than 3cm as well. It's not a crime to have short hair and it's not Cousins' fault that the testing systems in place are so obviously flawed.
By the way i don't think you could suggest that Cousins having short hair and waxing his body is something he has done to avoid a test. It's nothing new.

In this context he has an obligation to present so that sampling is possible, and knows that, and doing otherwise is thus being provocative.
So, they have rightly reminded him of his obligation if he wants to be a registered player.
Fashion doesn't over-ride that obligation.

What if he was bald? What if hair didn't grow 3cm or longer anywhere on his body? Was he told the hair had to be a certain length? In an article i read he turned up for the test with no idea his hair needed to be at least 3cm.