Salary Cap (Creative Accounting)

[Wedgie]

I also find it amusing that clubs who have been caught cheating and the 4 or 5 clubs with better lists dont get as much scrutiny.
I can only assume its petty jealousy that North keep their members more informed than most or just childish trolling.

To my knowledge, we havent been caught cheating and our club keeps us well informed on the ins and outs situation, so not sure what youre getting at there.

I didn't say you had been, I think its great that your club keeps you well informed, I wasn't referring to you or your club. Your reply has nothing to do with my quote that you've quoted, you've lost me again.

I figured as you were quoting my post that you were referring to Port.

Im also constantly amazed that supporters of clubs who are an even bigger rabble than mine have the time in their life to worry about clubs so much.

Yes because writing a post on a message board that took about 15 seconds to do means I spend the majority of my waking hours worrying about how North Adelaide is fitting players under the salary cap!

I'd suggest you read what I write, not what you think I mean, it might help.

You said have the time in their life to worry about clubs so much . i replied that it takes 15 seconds to write a post here and that it doesnt equate to worrying about other clubs.

Pretty straight forward really.[/quote]

Nah mate, weren't referring to you or your club.
You're hardly here and I respect the Maggies quite a bit.

[Macca19]

Fair enough. Play on.

[spell_check]

I take offence at the Eagles being called salary cap cheats.
The SANFL came out in the press and clearly stated that the Eagles offending was due to an arithmetical error of about $1,000 which they were duly fined about $2,000.

Yeah, I didn't think it was a blatant breach, but the fine was imposed, so I thought I'd get in before anyone else did.

[Ian]

So basically nobody knows what anyone is getting?

Yep, that sums it up pretty well.

[whufc]

I wouldn't have a clue how much players are on at Centrals and i won't even bother guessing BUT what i do know is that Centrals pay there top 10 players (not sure what aspects decide who the top 10 are) the exact same amount and these blokes are obviously on more than the rest of the squad.

I have spoke to players from other clubs besides Centrals and they seem to think that there are average footballers at their clubs who are on almost double to what some of the top Central players are on. (not sure how they know this info but thats what i have been told.)

I also know Centrals have picked up some bargains in players like O'Sullivan, Goodrem and Hayes because no other SANFL clubs were looking at them, so Central didn't need to match any other offer and these players couldn't compare.

[dash61]

OK

Like Wedgie & others continue to say, season after season

Scrap the Salary Crap once and for all.

Free agency and free to pay what you want the clubs business only

"At the end of the day Centrals, Norths & Norwoods financial dominance would control the league.

MY SUGGESTION
1 Payents are at the discretion of each club
2 Clubs enter a list of players 1-35 for a league panel to grade players out of 5 points by a scale and certain players to be awarded a rank at the discretion of the panel
eg
5 points (AFL over 50 games still under 30)
4 points (AFL 1-49 games, or of an afl list), or over 100 sanfl games still under 30
3 points (any player over 30, over 50 sanfl or vfl games, any AFL player returning to the club where he started his career
2 points (any player 10-49 games or VFL games, any afl listed player with the crows or power
1 point any rookie at the start of the season or any player who has played less than 10 games
The league would have the discetionary power to rank a player ie from West Aus ect from 1-4 points

Your Team of 21 would have a points value of no more than 65 points each week

So those clubs who dont want a salary cap could spend from $1 to $1,000,000, no restraint
Having a points value to a team allows most clubs to be still on a level playing field
Having a reduced points value for players over 30 could improve longer career hopes for this group of players
Having high pointed players would force teams to blood kids at times

your ideas

[bayman]

i think the issue should be 'why is there a salary cap ?'

i think for those players that are gifted in ability but can't jump high or can't go the 'required areobics' necessary etc etc to be an athlete in the afl, but are very good footballers they should be entitled to earn what they can to help set themselves up in life as much as they can, it should be up to in this case the sanfl clubs to negotiate with the players & come to an agreement not be dictated to by 'outside influences' as happens now

[whufc]

OK

Like Wedgie & others continue to say, season after season

Scrap the Salary Crap once and for all.

Free agency and free to pay what you want the clubs business only

"At the end of the day Centrals, Norths & Norwoods financial dominance would control the league.

MY SUGGESTION
1 Payents are at the discretion of each club
2 Clubs enter a list of players 1-35 for a league panel to grade players out of 5 points by a scale and certain players to be awarded a rank at the discretion of the panel
eg
5 points (AFL over 50 games still under 30)
4 points (AFL 1-49 games, or of an afl list), or over 100 sanfl games still under 30
3 points (any player over 30, over 50 sanfl or vfl games, any AFL player returning to the club where he started his career
2 points (any player 10-49 games or VFL games, any afl listed player with the crows or power
1 point any rookie at the start of the season or any player who has played less than 10 games
The league would have the discetionary power to rank a player ie from West Aus ect from 1-4 points

Your Team of 21 would have a points value of no more than 65 points each week

So those clubs who dont want a salary cap could spend from $1 to $1,000,000, no restraint
Having a points value to a team allows most clubs to be still on a level playing field
Having a reduced points value for players over 30 could improve longer career hopes for this group of players
Having high pointed players would force teams to blood kids at times

your ideas

Only issue i have with that is it disadvantages teams who can keep there team together for a couple of years, as the players play more games.

Also leaving it up to the SANFL to issue how many points certain players get is very subjective and easy to scrutinise just like the NBL's system.

[whufc]

i think the issue should be 'why is there a salary cap ?'

i think for those players that are gifted in ability but can't jump high or can't go the 'required areobics' necessary etc etc to be an athlete in the afl, but are very good footballers they should be entitled to earn what they can to help set themselves up in life as much as they can, it should be up to in this case the sanfl clubs to negotiate with the players & come to an agreement not be dictated to by 'outside influences' as happens now

That won't happen because the AFL won't let it. Clubs such as Central, North and now Norwood would be in just as good if not better financial state than some of the AFL teams, do you think the AFL would like a system where Central could outpay the Kangaroos for Brent Harvey.

[dash61]

i think the issue should be 'why is there a salary cap ?'

i think for those players that are gifted in ability but can't jump high or can't go the 'required areobics' necessary etc etc to be an athlete in the afl, but are very good footballers they should be entitled to earn what they can to help set themselves up in life as much as they can, it should be up to in this case the sanfl clubs to negotiate with the players & come to an agreement not be dictated to by 'outside influences' as happens now

That won't happen because the AFL won't let it. Clubs such as Central, North and now Norwood would be in just as good if not better financial state than some of the AFL teams, do you think the AFL would like a system where Central could outpay the Kangaroos for Brent Harvey.

Brent Harvey, lol bad example, our clubs couldnt and would pay 1 player 500-600K

[dash61]

OK

Like Wedgie & others continue to say, season after season

Scrap the Salary Crap once and for all.

Free agency and free to pay what you want the clubs business only

"At the end of the day Centrals, Norths & Norwoods financial dominance would control the league.

MY SUGGESTION
1 Payents are at the discretion of each club
2 Clubs enter a list of players 1-35 for a league panel to grade players out of 5 points by a scale and certain players to be awarded a rank at the discretion of the panel
eg
5 points (AFL over 50 games still under 30)
4 points (AFL 1-49 games, or of an afl list), or over 100 sanfl games still under 30
3 points (any player over 30, over 50 sanfl or vfl games, any AFL player returning to the club where he started his career
2 points (any player 10-49 games or VFL games, any afl listed player with the crows or power
1 point any rookie at the start of the season or any player who has played less than 10 games
The league would have the discetionary power to rank a player ie from West Aus ect from 1-4 points

Your Team of 21 would have a points value of no more than 65 points each week

So those clubs who dont want a salary cap could spend from $1 to $1,000,000, no restraint
Having a points value to a team allows most clubs to be still on a level playing field
Having a reduced points value for players over 30 could improve longer career hopes for this group of players
Having high pointed players would force teams to blood kids at times

your ideas

Only issue i have with that is it disadvantages teams who can keep there team together for a couple of years, as the players play more games.

Also leaving it up to the SANFL to issue how many points certain players get is very subjective and easy to scrutinise just like the NBL's system.

Do a points total for your winning grand final team, u may be shocked that the centrals team is no where as high as u might think so, i might be wrong

[Ash59]

I agree with Bayman. Why is there a salary cap? Is the AFL really able to dictate that the SANFL has one? Can they dictate what it is?

[whufc]

i think the issue should be 'why is there a salary cap ?'

i think for those players that are gifted in ability but can't jump high or can't go the 'required areobics' necessary etc etc to be an athlete in the afl, but are very good footballers they should be entitled to earn what they can to help set themselves up in life as much as they can, it should be up to in this case the sanfl clubs to negotiate with the players & come to an agreement not be dictated to by 'outside influences' as happens now

That won't happen because the AFL won't let it. Clubs such as Central, North and now Norwood would be in just as good if not better financial state than some of the AFL teams, do you think the AFL would like a system where Central could outpay the Kangaroos for Brent Harvey.

Brent Harvey, lol bad example, our clubs couldnt and would pay 1 player 500-600K

Yeah my bad, not the best example but the way clubs like Central and North are making money now without a salary cap, that wouldn't be such a ridicolous thing.

The best way to put it i think, is that if we had no salary cap the AFL would be affected the same way the SANFL is by the country leagues.

I think people are kidding themselves if they think that a fair few AFL players wouldn't drop to the SANFL if they could play part time and get paid an extra 20,000 a year.

There is no way the AFL will put themselves in a position where players could choose to play SANFL for more money than play AFL.

[oldfella]

As has been pointed out many times --- there is a salary cap because the AWFULL threatenned to with hold development money if the SANFL did not introduce it

[bayman]

As has been pointed out many times --- there is a salary cap because the AWFULL threatenned to with hold development money if the SANFL did not introduce it

if this is correct, we should as ted whitten said 'stick it up them'

[Dutchy]

You have to have a Salary Cap if you want a competition...simple

This Salary Cap debate is seriously the most boring topic on this forum.....South Adelaide proved that $$$$ doesnt equal premierships or even success

Paying players $$$ ranks low on the importance of being a successful club....there are so many more important ingredients to ther recipe

[Punk Rooster]

There is no doubt that several clubs are declaring players' incomes for the sake of their salary cap, and paying other payments outside of this. You'd be Blind Freddy to think otherwise.

Yes, some players will join a club based on its reputation, or based on where his mates are playing...and there are also many players that come out of the AFL system, or are very good WAFL/VFL players, that can stick their name out to the 9 clubs and wait for the highest bidder, with better job opportunities and better overall arrangements for that player.

is that how they do it down the Bay, or are Glenelg immune from this "salary cap cheating" talk?

[Ash59]

Dutchy are you saying that we are reliant on AFL handouts to keep our competition going, and they are conditional on a salary cap? If so, what is the governance process that the SANFL have to provide to satisfy the AFL that all is ok?

Otherwise, having a salary cap make no difference to the evenness of a competition. The SANFl today is no more even than it was 30 years ago. Some players chase big bucks but it won't get out of hand because all clubs have limited resources.

[G]

This is an absolute rarety........... I AGREE WITH DUTCHY
Dash 61, give it a rest and put your energy into helping West LEAP into 8th spot.

[Dutchy]

Dutchy are you saying that we are reliant on AFL handouts to keep our competition going, and they are conditional on a salary cap? If so, what is the governance process that the SANFL have to provide to satisfy the AFL that all is ok?

Otherwise, having a salary cap make no difference to the evenness of a competition. The SANFl today is no more even than it was 30 years ago. Some players chase big bucks but it won't get out of hand because all clubs have limited resources.

I never mentioned the AFL....