3RD TEST IN V AU + chatter

[Pag]

I think the interesting point is whether Kumble or Mishra will play. i think I read somewhere that Delhi is Kumble's most successful track in the world so he would get back in, but you'd be feeling pretty unlucky if you were Mishra.

I'd be picking White again, simply because he is the best spinner we have at the moment, regardless of how bad he is, and he can make runs, even though he hasn't shown it yet. Would not be playing Krezja, and I'd stick Clark back in for Siddle if he's fit.

So, in essence, the same side as the first test.

Kumble will be in for sure, Mishra will get his turn. I'd hate to see some of the chicks you pull there Pag, with that philosophy. There is no point picking White because "he is the best we have", if he's not up to the standard, have a different game plan.

If there's nothing worth having a go at, leave it alone.

White is poo at this level, bat or ball.

Thanks for the vote of confidence with the females mate, but I'm a redhead, we're not the popular guys

On the pitch that Delhi is gonna produce, are we actually going to take 20 wickets with four paceman and Watson? I can't see it happening, we need to have at least one spinner, and if Clarke can't do it because of his back, then it's White.

[rod_rooster]

Katich will not and should not be dropped. He has earnt his spot back in the Test side through sheer weight of runs and he has taken his opportunity. Playing a guy because he is "the future of Australian cricket" and not because he has the runs on the board is a stupid thing to suggest. You pick the best available XI currently not the XI with the most potential down the track. Doing so is firstly unfair on the guys who deserve their spot and secondly unfair on the guys picked to have that pressure and expectation heaped upon them before they have served their apprenticeship. You risk ruining players if you play them too early and they aren't ready.

Michael Clarke made his debut despite having a FC average of 35 at the time.

Good point, however Clarke had become a regular member of the one day side by then and he also replaced an injured Ricky Ponting and only one series after Steve Waugh retired. The suggestion of replacing Katich with Marsh is entirely different.

Is Marsh now a regular member of our ODI side? Hmmmm.

Okay then, keep Katich (for now) and put Marsh at 6, Watto 7, Haddin 8 then the bowlers. Weak bowling line-up no doubt but we're not losing much as White doesn't/can't bowl anyway.

Now that makes much more sense albeit you've still picked Watto

[Drop Bear]

what this team needs in the subcont
attacking middle order batsman
bowls off spinners
bowls meduim pace
fields unbelievably well ....

Spot On MAL!
Love him!

[silicone skyline]

what this team needs in the subcont
attacking middle order batsman
bowls off spinners
bowls meduim pace
fields unbelievably well ....

Spot On MAL!
Love him!

Looks like a monkey ...

[mal]

Someone has to bat for WHITE so I must

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EDITORIAL
The Rod Rooster allrounder comment , if your not good enough to command a spot in the team as a batter or bowler why be selected.
That makes a helluva lotta sense, but then again not many allrounders would make any team on 1 of thier skills
WHITE fits the RR Philosphy to a tee and the evidence on face value suggests WHITE is not up to it
BUT I have to make some allowances for Cammyboy
CW is a middle order batter who bowls occasionally for VIC
He now bats 8 and is a frontline bowler for AU
He is being evolved into a cricketer that he is not.
He has however got 2 more tests to show some form
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On cammyboys bowling
Must not be taken on face value
Name me an AU spinner who has averaged less than 40 with the ball vrs the Indian spinkillers?
I commented last season if Brad Hogg could average about 40 odd he would be doing ok
Where is he now ?
WARNE/MACGILL got clobbered by the spinkillers and they are 2 of the alltime greats
WHITE must be given opportunities v NZ/SAFR b4 we can truly adjudged if he is the real deal or real dill.

[silicone skyline]

Someone has to bat for WHITE so I must

_________________________________________________________________________________
EDITORIAL
The Rod Rooster allrounder comment , if your not good enough to command a spot in the team as a batter or bowler why be selected.
That makes a helluva lotta sense, but then again not many allrounders would make any team on 1 of thier skills
WHITE fits the RR Philosphy to a tee and the evidence on face value suggests WHITE is not up to it
BUT I have to make some allowances for Cammyboy
CW is a middle order batter who bowls occasionally for VIC
He now bats 8 and is a frontline bowler for AU
He is being evolved into a cricketer that he is not.
He has however got 2 more tests to show some form
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On cammyboys bowling
Must not be taken on face value
Name me an AU spinner who has averaged less than 40 with the ball vrs the Indian spinkillers?
I commented last season if Brad Hogg could average about 40 odd he would be doing ok
Where is he now ?
WARNE/MACGILL got clobbered by the spinkillers and they are 2 of the alltime greats
WHITE must be given opportunities v NZ/SAFR b4 we can truly adjudged if he is the real deal or real dill.

Didn't that Gavin Robertson do ok over there?

[rod_rooster]

Someone has to bat for WHITE so I must

_________________________________________________________________________________
EDITORIAL
The Rod Rooster allrounder comment , if your not good enough to command a spot in the team as a batter or bowler why be selected.
That makes a helluva lotta sense, but then again not many allrounders would make any team on 1 of thier skills
WHITE fits the RR Philosphy to a tee and the evidence on face value suggests WHITE is not up to it
BUT I have to make some allowances for Cammyboy
CW is a middle order batter who bowls occasionally for VIC
He now bats 8 and is a frontline bowler for AU
He is being evolved into a cricketer that he is not.
He has however got 2 more tests to show some form
_________________________________________________________________________________

On cammyboys bowling
Must not be taken on face value
Name me an AU spinner who has averaged less than 40 with the ball vrs the Indian spinkillers?
I commented last season if Brad Hogg could average about 40 odd he would be doing ok
Where is he now ?
WARNE/MACGILL got clobbered by the spinkillers and they are 2 of the alltime greats
WHITE must be given opportunities v NZ/SAFR b4 we can truly adjudged if he is the real deal or real dill.

Didn't that Gavin Robertson do ok over there?

Think Colin Miller went alright as well when he was bowling off breaks and not his mediums. Anyone got the stats??

Edit: Miller only played the one Test in India. Over the 2 innings he bowled 55 overs for a return of 6/201. So an average of 33.5. No idea of the breakdown of medium pace and offspin however i'd suspect the vast majority was his spinners. Regardless, one test isn't enough of a sample size to mean anything.

[silicone skyline]

Robertson ave about 39

[RoosterMarty]

Obviously these comments were made by people with no idea, but I thought I might put them in here.

I just had a quick flick through the Tiser and on page 2 I saw...

"Ponting should retire, he just doesn't perform anymore and just gets frustrated. Time to go Ricky!"

"Twenty 20 is where it's at, Test cricket is so slow and boring."

I just hope we don't become as bad as the English tabloids...

[MADDOG3]

Obviously these comments were made by people with no idea, but I thought I might put them in here.

I just had a quick flick through the Tiser and on page 2 I saw...

"Ponting should retire, he just doesn't perform anymore and just gets frustrated. Time to go Ricky!"

"Twenty 20 is where it's at, Test cricket is so slow and boring."

I just hope we don't become as bad as the English tabloids...

Sounds like something most NewsCorp cricket journos would write. If you believed them, you'd thing Harbhajan Singh was an angel FFS.

[NFC]

I think the interesting point is whether Kumble or Mishra will play. i think I read somewhere that Delhi is Kumble's most successful track in the world so he would get back in, but you'd be feeling pretty unlucky if you were Mishra.

I'd be picking White again, simply because he is the best spinner we have at the moment, regardless of how bad he is, and he can make runs, even though he hasn't shown it yet. Would not be playing Krezja, and I'd stick Clark back in for Siddle if he's fit.

So, in essence, the same side as the first test.

He is not!

[Pag]

I think the interesting point is whether Kumble or Mishra will play. i think I read somewhere that Delhi is Kumble's most successful track in the world so he would get back in, but you'd be feeling pretty unlucky if you were Mishra.

I'd be picking White again, simply because he is the best spinner we have at the moment, regardless of how bad he is, and he can make runs, even though he hasn't shown it yet. Would not be playing Krezja, and I'd stick Clark back in for Siddle if he's fit.

So, in essence, the same side as the first test.

He is not!

OK, of the guys that are in India, who is a better spinner? Bear in mind Clarke has a dodgy back and Katich is already in the side.

If Clarke was fit to bowl a full-timer load I wouldn't be picking White, but he's not, so I think we need spin of some sort. I'm like a lot of people and think Symonds should be on a plane, not Marsh, but the selectors are obviously taking their stance. The only other option is Krezja, and he's untried as well, and if he gets belted, we'll all be saying 'Bring back White!'. I actually would've had Doherty from Tassie in the squad before him. We're in a crap spot, but gotta do the best we can with what we've got over there. The joys of bad selections.

I don't know if the selectors knew exactly how valuable Andrew Symonds is to the test side when they left him at home.

[mal]

ROY stats SS this season for QL

TA
5 + 3/17
5 + 1/10

VI
26 + 0/41
0 [1ST BALL]+ DID NOT BOWL

RUNS 36 [AVE 9]
BALL 4/68 [AVE 17]

[Adelaide Hawk]

I don't know if the selectors knew exactly how valuable Andrew Symonds is to the test side when they left him at home.

The selectors know okay, unfortunately Roy doesn't seem to know. The reason he is not there is because he doesn't appear to have the hunger to play at the moment ... as his Sheffield Shield performances would indicate.

I've been a big supporter of Roy for a long time, and wanted him in the team at a time when most people didn't, but I fear we may have seen the last of Roy, or at least as a regular member of the team. Hope I'm wrong.

[catchisthecry]

I heard it was all a big set up. Symonds didn't want to play in India after the abuse last series and the CA were quite happy to avoid the confrontation and dramas..

[rod_rooster]

I heard it was all a big set up. Symonds didn't want to play in India after the abuse last series and the CA were quite happy to avoid the confrontation and dramas..

Yet he was more than happy to go for the IPL and i'm sure he will go again for the IPL.

[Drop Bear]

I heard it was all a big set up. Symonds didn't want to play in India after the abuse last series and the CA were quite happy to avoid the confrontation and dramas..

Yet he was more than happy to go for the IPL and i'm sure he will go again for the IPL.

You would have to be an idiot (or a suck up ie. Michael Clarke) to not to take the offers the IPL teams throws at players.

[CoverKing]

The side with four quicks that was posted was ludicrous, i think the Aussies should use Katich to bowl a lot more, he has taken a 6 for in Test Cricket and i think by memory it was in India. Would the side be better off having only the two front man quicks eg: Lee and Johnson, play Watson as your third quick (even tho i hate the bloke but the selectors love him) and use Marsh as an extra bat that bowls a bit of part time spin, have White Clarke and Katich batting in the middle order with their part time spinners between them. I think White has done a real good job over in India, he is not the best spinner, that is well known, but he has rarely come into bowl and got to bowl to the tail enders, he is bowling to set batsman that kings of spin. I think the side should be,

Haydn Marsh Ponting Hussey Clarke White Katich Haddin Watson Lee Johnson

I had white behind clarke to break up having too many slow batters like Katich and Watson together, White will have a go and attack the bowlers. Johnson at 11 means we have quality bats the entire way down.

[hearts on fire]

I hope we stick it right up the Indians for all there sh1t over the last year, and give them the smashing they deserve.

[mal]

JAQUES likely to miss most of or all of this season with back injury
And the other news is that Stuart Clark may miss the rest of the tour with an elbow injury

Time to pre-empt, if the Doc does come home who will the replacement quickie be ?

NOFFKE deserves consideration
BRACKEN a reverse swing option although is currently injury with a pulled WATTO
CAMERON surely not, but is improving
NANNES but too old at 32 ?
TAIT reverse swing superstar and logical replacement as is fit and fresh
MCGOFFIN who is a wicket taking sensation in the west
HILFENHAUS would be a top chance but is carrying a knee injury at the minit
GEEVES in career top form, but surely not

WATTO
In the press today WATTO attributes his recent non injury span to the fact he has given up the booze
Interesting to see that John Pierek calls him WATTO as well