DUCKWORTH LEWIS SYSTEM AN ABSOLUTE FARCE QLV TA

[mal]

I didnt see the game
Ive just seen the scores and result
I will leave it up to everybody to agree or disagree with this absolute farce of a system

QL
205 [47.5 OVERS]

TA 1/60 [15.5 OVERS]

TA WIN ON THE D/L SYSTEM

You have got to be joking a side bats for 15.5 overs
A side scores at under 4 runs per over
and wins with 5 balls to spare

How can we ever know if TA would have made the 205 ???
A total they couldnt manage twice in the recent SS match in both innings a few days ago

FFS
Just call the game off 2 points each
Duckworthless/Jerry Lewis system stuffs up another game

[umpy who?]

it's all to do with percentage of available innings: what's remaining and what has gone. so a team doesn't have to chase at 6 an over from the beginning - they can still bat "normally" and build an innings rather than go all out to win from ball one.

it's probably the fairest system that has been used so far. it's not all that bad

[hearts on fire]

What an absolute joke!
Surely they can find some other solution, i would prefer to either play again on another day or even split the points.

QLD HAVE BEEN ROBBED!

[spell_check]

The minimum amount of overs to constitute a match should be 25, not 15. There's no better option - taking off the lowest scoring overs, run rates are a lot worse than this system.

[MightyEagles]

it's all to do with percentage of available innings: what's remaining and what has gone. so a team doesn't have to chase at 6 an over from the beginning - they can still bat "normally" and build an innings rather than go all out to win from ball one.

it's probably the fairest system that has been used so far. it's not all that bad

It's a lot better then what was used before, we all know what happened in the 1992 world cup semi with South Africa. If the D/L system was around back then, things might have been different and South Africa might have made the Final.

[mal]

I read today TA won with 13 balls to spare
Which means they would have won with about 1/47 [15.5 overs]

The fairest system is the HawkMal system ....a DRAW 2 Points each
The rules should be for sides batting 2nd
40 overs = a game at the very worst

Imagine how the QLD players feel
Had they batted 2nd , they might have been gifted this game

[RoosterMarty]

That is a joke of a result. Should have been an N/R and give each other 2 points or something.

For a team to bat for 15 over, score 60 runs and then win when the opposition score over 200. That's rubbish.

[jackpot jim]

I read today TA won with 13 balls to spare
Which means they would have won with about 1/47 [15.5 overs]

The fairest system is the HawkMal system ....a DRAW 2 Points each
The rules should be for sides batting 2nd
40 overs = a game at the very worst

Imagine how the QLD players feel
Had they batted 2nd , they might have been gifted this game

And if Tas were 0/204 off 39.5 overs and it was washed out, would it be fair to declare a Draw?
There is NO fair formula to decide rain shortened games but they have to have something. Despite D/L having its flaws, the Admins obviously think its the closest system yet to being fair that someone has come up with.

Have to remember that Qld did only make 205 which rarely wins so Tassie at 1/47 were looking the goods anyway so whats all the fuss. Also MAL, what happened to Tassies batting days earlier in the Shield match is of NO consequence at all to this match.

I'm waiting for the uproar when in AFL they call a game off after 1/2 time for whatever reason. I think the rules are something like, whoever is in front at the time Wins or is that at 1/2 time? not real sure but you can bet that 1 side will feel ripped off.

[Rik E Boy]

Qld haven't been robbed. While the DL system is a bit iffy after 15 they were well and truly outplayed by the Tigers and I don't have a problem with this result. Are you seriously suggesting that at 1/60 that they couldn't go on to make 200?

regards,

REB

[mal]

I read today TA won with 13 balls to spare
Which means they would have won with about 1/47 [15.5 overs]

The fairest system is the HawkMal system ....a DRAW 2 Points each
The rules should be for sides batting 2nd
40 overs = a game at the very worst

Imagine how the QLD players feel
Had they batted 2nd , they might have been gifted this game

And if Tas were 0/204 off 39.5 overs and it was washed out, would it be fair to declare a Draw?
There is NO fair formula to decide rain shortened games but they have to have something. Despite D/L having its flaws, the Admins obviously think its the closest system yet to being fair that someone has come up with.

Have to remember that Qld did only make 205 which rarely wins so Tassie at 1/47 were looking the goods anyway so whats all the fuss. Also MAL, what happened to Tassies batting days earlier in the Shield match is of NO consequence at all to this match.

I'm waiting for the uproar when in AFL they call a game off after 1/2 time for whatever reason. I think the rules are something like, whoever is in front at the time Wins or is that at 1/2 time? not real sure but you can bet that 1 side will feel ripped off.

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In a test match if a side chasing 206 in the 4th innings is 0/205 and it rains the result = draw

Rooster marty and I are interested in one thing
FAIR AND SQUARE RESULTS
at 1/60 chasing 206 TA were likely to win but could we all be sure ????????????????????

[Adelaide Hawk]

What do you expect in a society that no longer accepts a draw as a legitimate result? If you manufacture results in order to have a "winner", this is the crap you have to put up with.

[mal]

What do you expect in a society that no longer accepts a draw as a legitimate result? If you manufacture results in order to have a "winner", this is the crap you have to put up with.

The HAWKMAL system
Anybody 3rd the motion....

[MAY-Z]

Qld haven't been robbed. While the DL system is a bit iffy after 15 they were well and truly outplayed by the Tigers and I don't have a problem with this result. Are you seriously suggesting that at 1/60 that they couldn't go on to make 200?

regards,

REB

for once i agree with your reb- qld werent robbed based on teh amount of the game that had been played tasmania were the better side- with the duckworth-lewis system i dont think i've seen a game where the result is an injustice, all in ll this is the fairest way to decide rain shortened matches as it is a well researshed formula based on past matches.

the only thing i might say is that perhaps it should be more than 15 overs to constitute a match

[scott]

Unless you have a draw for any match that isn't fully completed, then this is as good as you'll get.

I absolutely hate it as it doesn't take into account powerplays, and favours poorer teams as it treats all batting orders as equal. It assumes every team will start slow and finish off with a bang.

So it assumes a final result, and that's just wrong.

[locky801]

Quite simple, it rains, bad light intervenes, game called off before the end, neither side gets any points, the one and only fair decision in my opinion

[Hondo]

Quite simple, it rains, bad light intervenes, game called off before the end, neither side gets any points, the one and only fair decision in my opinion

Team A 2-320 off 50 overs
Team B 8-81 off 47 overs
... then rain stops play for the day

Fair that both teams share the points?

Plus, you have to remember who pays the bills here ... sponsors and fans. Both of who deserve to be entertained for their money and not have games called off early as soon as 1 over is lost Remember that if you don't have some sort of manufactured result the players may as well go home if rain washes out 2 hours of play, under your scenario. Otherwise, what's the point of playing at all? Even if its perfect weather after that.

We have to accept that the 50 over game is already a contrivance and so stop trying to apply test-match "ideal world" principles to it. The DW-Lewis system basically attempts to allocate points fairly in a rain shortened game so that the better side on the day is not disadvantaged and gets the points. If QLD only scored 205 runs off 50 overs then they only have themselves to blame.

Does anyone truly believe QLD were robbed? Including them?

[spell_check]

I'm waiting for the uproar when in AFL they call a game off after 1/2 time for whatever reason. I think the rules are something like, whoever is in front at the time Wins or is that at 1/2 time? not real sure but you can bet that 1 side will feel ripped off.

That's correct. Only a prolonged thunderstorm that is in the vicinity of the ground would probably do that.

[mal]

JJ
SK played ES in a night game and the lights went off
ES was in front and looked the winners
However when the game was called off the result was inconclusive
Rather than award the game to ES they played the remainder of the game mid week
At least we had conclusion of sorts and rightly so

When any team is 1/60 chasing 206 they are prob gunna win about 85% of the time
However the 15% makes it inconclusive as nobody [except me at the trots and some posts] can forsee the future
DUCKWORTH /LEWIS would get most guesses correctly, but still inconclusive

There are other games where it gets down to 1 run and then it really is a shocking adjuducation on who wins

A bit like the guys the jury cant convict despite the evidence in the courtrooms

[rod_rooster]

JJ
SK played ES in a night game and the lights went off
ES was in front and looked the winners
However when the game was called off the result was inconclusive
Rather than award the game to ES they played the remainder of the game mid week
At least we had conclusion of sorts and rightly so

They have created rules as a result of that game mal. Now if a game has to be stopped in a similar fashion the side that is leading at the time is awarded the game provided it is half time or later. Should it be before half time the result is a draw.

[mal]

JJ
SK played ES in a night game and the lights went off
ES was in front and looked the winners
However when the game was called off the result was inconclusive
Rather than award the game to ES they played the remainder of the game mid week
At least we had conclusion of sorts and rightly so

They have created rules as a result of that game mal. Now if a game has to be stopped in a similar fashion the side that is leading at the time is awarded the game provided it is half time or later. Should it be before half time the result is a draw.

And likethe D/L system
It has flaws if early in the 3rd qtr
If a side is 10 goals up = yes
If a side is 3 goals up = inconclusive
If a side is 1 point up = FFS

What about this scenario AT 3/4 TIME and the game is stopped
ML 12-4
GE 10-15

GE have a 6 goal breeze and ML has 6 players injured .....