GSFL Movements

[BJ Ernest]

Hey Mr Magoo and A Mum,

i reckon the point system will eventually make some difference to club loyalty and paying players. Correct if i am wrong but with only 14 points allocated to A grade, clubs will be forced to play Juniors and club people who are worth 0 points.

Hopefully you're right Mr T.

I grew up on Kangaroo Island (and it may have changed since) but loyalty was everything over there... so I suppose that has just stuck with me and it does break my heart to see people (especially juniors that have grown up with a club) so readily switch and swap clubs.

I suppose it's a bit different in the GSFL area because these kids although from different clubs go to school together and so I supposed it is an easier transition to go from one club to another because they will always know people at all the clubs.

My own son (Now a senior) is even talking about going to play elsewhere with a bunch of friends... and although I don't want to pressure him in anyway, it has to be his decision, it will break my heart

Sorry if I sound a little melodramatic !!

Don't know.... but anyway... hopefully the points system does make some difference.

Not every club has a Ruckman or CHF so you need to recruit and pay players. The point system will stop alot of average footballers recieving money to play but it will also make the gun players more expensive to recruit. I still believe that the point system should be staggered, example 1st to 3rd recieve 6pts, 4th to 6th recieve 10pts etc etc. Im interested to know what other people think??

The points system does indeed drive player prices up. I think the local player who wants a bit of money can also drive his price up as points now become precious and a 1 point player is as valuable to keep as the big recruit with 3-4 points to his name. This is where clubs recruiting needs to be selective, u dont just get the best available talent, u get what ur club
needs and that may not be the best player, but the best player for your side. As time goes on i feel the points system will work, it will certainly stop sides from buying a flag in 1 year, its becomes a process to recruit the right players over a 2-3 year period to compliment your up and coming juniors.

Interesting to hear that about Deacs. I heard he had arranged a road trip this weekend with a couple of old school friends thats had to be cancelled due to circumstances!

[MrTeach]

Heard another rumour that the Aldinga A grade coach is interested in McLaren. Does anyone know who this is? and what he may be like?

[Stangas]

Heard another rumour that the Aldinga A grade coach is interested in McLaren. Does anyone know who this is? and what he may be like?

yea Mr Teach Aldinga's A Grade coach isn't to bad of a guy he has definately done well to turn the boys from Aldinga to a side that isnt great but a hell of a lot better than the team from 3 or 4 years ago

[Stangas]

Mr T Chambo asked me to tell you to be careful

[Grape Ape]

Opinions please

Is it always about money... or does passion for the game and longevity of the sport come into it ??

Who are the contenders for the coaching roles advertised in gsfl, I heard shane lynch has put the hackham offer on hold waiting on the maclarens job, bj you have your ear to the ground what's happening around the league in the coaching circles?

I doubt very much that Lynch would take the McLaren job over the Hackham job, even though it may be a more "challenging" role the dollars difference would be considerable, McLarens haven't been known to pay coaches or players very much at all!

Opinions please

Is it always about money... or does passion for the game and longevity of the sport come into it ??


A Mum
Someone should write a thesis on
WHY FOOTBALL CLUBS HAVE ALL VOLUNTEERS WORKING THERE FINGERS TO THE BONE TO PAY PLAYERS.

Juniors play for nothing...for the fun and mateship and have a great passion for the game.
At 17 to 20 or maybe a bit earlier along comes work and money.
MORE IMPORTANTLY ALONG COMES THE FEMALE AND THE YOUNG MEN FIND A PART OF THEIR BODY HAS 2 USES.

If they are a good player, they find someone offers them money to play
If they are average or below all of a sudden they don't get picked..whether that be in the A's or Reserves and some of the passion goes.
After working all day sometimes training is hard to get to, so you don't go...not picked.

To cut it short
Many clubs have been ruined by paying too much
Clubs, Just have to get the balance right between using all locals and paying imports to be sustainable financially and having success on the field.

Thanks for responding to my question Mr Magoo (I thought no one was interested...so I deleted it )

What you say isn't as funny as it sounds... I think it'd actually make a good thesis..... very interesting!!

I still think this is another reason that we have to install culture and loyalty into our players at this young age while we have them there (And make their families feel welcome and part of the clubs).... if we do a good job at that and let them know how important they are to our clubs then I think less would go off elsewhere.... whether there's money involved or not.

With my question though... I was acutally refering to coaches.... do some coaches do it for the passion of the game and the future of footy so to speak.... or is it now all about how much money they get paid??

I was just interested, that's all

A Mum, there are no paid players in the KIFL, club finances are completely transparent and this adds to sense of inclusion and community which generates the loyalty you speak of. The blokes sitting on the bench in the B grade get the same treatment as the A grade captain.

There was a fantastic thread last year entitled "Blokes who play for cash are nuff nuffs" about the very subject of paid players.

[roo32]

I think it has just been made too easy to get money playing football. Some clubs dont do enough research on players and pay money purely to get numbers. Its not hard to put a resume together that sounds good, even I can do that! Last season some boys from Goolwa went out to Callington for money. Most were on $150 - $250 per game. Lots of other Goolwa lads had the chance to go as well, but what if they had won a flag at callington? It would have meant stuff all! On the other hand if you build something from scratch with your mates at a club that you've played at since you were 5 then thats a different story. Until clubs stop throwing money and any tom dick or harry, then money will always play a big role.

Hasn't Wayne Deacon's name been mentioned in regards to the McLaren job?

I seriously doubt that Deacs would even think about coaching against his beloved Mudlarks??

[A Mum]

A Mum, there are no paid players in the KIFL, club finances are completely transparent and this adds to sense of inclusion and community which generates the loyalty you speak of. The blokes sitting on the bench in the B grade get the same treatment as the A grade captain.

Really glad to hear things haven't changed over there then

I do still see the names of people who were kids playing at the clubs and are now the adults with their kids playing. Good stuff.

[Mr Magoo]

A Mum
Well done on bringing up passion and money etc
A good response from posters

LUVS FOOTY
You are spot on re your comments about developing a group of kids and
watching them progress through to seniors.
You are definately the right person to help Goolwa Saints rebuild their club
Patience and another couple of years struggle with the seniors, should
be very rewarding
I guess you have seen the results of importing players first hand ...Some have been good, some disasterous.

Good Luck fella
As to your 14's...not by a point this week please

[Mr Magoo]

Points System for 2009
Does anyone know what it is for 2009???

[words of wisdom]

I think it has just been made too easy to get money playing football. Some clubs dont do enough research on players and pay money purely to get numbers. Its not hard to put a resume together that sounds good, even I can do that! Last season some boys from Goolwa went out to Callington for money. Most were on $150 - $250 per game. Lots of other Goolwa lads had the chance to go as well, but what if they had won a flag at callington? It would have meant stuff all! On the other hand if you build something from scratch with your mates at a club that you've played at since you were 5 then thats a different story. Until clubs stop throwing money and any tom dick or harry, then money will always play a big role.

Hasn't Wayne Deacon's name been mentioned in regards to the McLaren job?

I seriously doubt that Deacs would even think about coaching against his beloved Mudlarks??

Speaking to him recently, he wouldnt have in the past but things change....

[A Mum]

A Mum
Well done on bringing up passion and money etc
A good response from posters

Thanks Mr Magoo.... I was just trying to get my posts up !!

No not really, I really enjoy reading peoples responses to things on here

I also hope that LF's boys get up this week... (sorry BJ )... maybe they can increase the margin though for the protection of their coaches and parents hearts !!... will be a tough game though against Willunga !! ... but that'll be the end of the line then LF...okay

IMO....Goolwa JC's definitely the most improved side in the comp though... all grades

[BJ Ernest]

A Mum
Well done on bringing up passion and money etc
A good response from posters

Thanks Mr Magoo.... I was just trying to get my posts up !!

No not really, I really enjoy reading peoples responses to things on here

I also hope that LF's boys get up this week... (sorry BJ )... maybe they can increase the margin though for the protection of their coaches and parents hearts !!... will be a tough game though against Willunga !! ... but that'll be the end of the line then LF...okay

IMO....Goolwa JC's definitely the most improved side in the comp though... all grades

Why all the love for LF's boys? Why dont u love our Junior Colts aswell?

I think our Junior Colts will get up this week, they lost to Goolwas last time but the rotation of players hurt us that day i believe and hopefully the boys play well. I'll be there watching.

[kappars]

I think it has just been made too easy to get money playing football. Some clubs dont do enough research on players and pay money purely to get numbers. Its not hard to put a resume together that sounds good, even I can do that! Last season some boys from Goolwa went out to Callington for money. Most were on $150 - $250 per game. Lots of other Goolwa lads had the chance to go as well, but what if they had won a flag at callington? It would have meant stuff all! On the other hand if you build something from scratch with your mates at a club that you've played at since you were 5 then thats a different story. Until clubs stop throwing money and any tom dick or harry, then money will always play a big role.

Hasn't Wayne Deacon's name been mentioned in regards to the McLaren job?

I seriously doubt that Deacs would even think about coaching against his beloved Mudlarks??

Speaking to him recently, he wouldnt have in the past but things change....

Funny that!
Wayne no doubt will be keen to get his handds on a head coaching role again if this means its away from home then thats what will have to be done, if he gets it Mclarens would see the return of one good player in Loots.

[LuvsFooty]

I dont thin we would be "the biggest" improvers but our JC's have come from 4-7 to make the 5, but dont forget I have a squad of 36 so in th minor round we had a lot of rotations which probably cost us a few games. Langhorne Creek senior colts would have to be close to the biggest improvers during the course of the season. If you are judging on a season to season basis the Yank A Grade would have to be most improved.

Just for the record:

Round 3 Willunga 5-1 (31) d The Saints 3-1 (19)

Round 14 The Saints 4-1 (25) d Willunga 2-6 (18)

[kappars]

Hey Mr Magoo and A Mum,

i reckon the point system will eventually make some difference to club loyalty and paying players. Correct if i am wrong but with only 14 points allocated to A grade, clubs will be forced to play Juniors and club people who are worth 0 points.

Hopefully you're right Mr T.

I grew up on Kangaroo Island (and it may have changed since) but loyalty was everything over there... so I suppose that has just stuck with me and it does break my heart to see people (especially juniors that have grown up with a club) so readily switch and swap clubs.

I suppose it's a bit different in the GSFL area because these kids although from different clubs go to school together and so I supposed it is an easier transition to go from one club to another because they will always know people at all the clubs.

My own son (Now a senior) is even talking about going to play elsewhere with a bunch of friends... and although I don't want to pressure him in anyway, it has to be his decision, it will break my heart

Sorry if I sound a little melodramatic !!

Don't know.... but anyway... hopefully the points system does make some difference.

Not every club has a Ruckman or CHF so you need to recruit and pay players. The point system will stop alot of average footballers recieving money to play but it will also make the gun players more expensive to recruit. I still believe that the point system should be staggered, example 1st to 3rd recieve 6pts, 4th to 6th recieve 10pts etc etc. Im interested to know what other people think??

The points system does indeed drive player prices up. I think the local player who wants a bit of money can also drive his price up as points now become precious and a 1 point player is as valuable to keep as the big recruit with 3-4 points to his name. This is where clubs recruiting needs to be selective, u dont just get the best available talent, u get what ur club
needs and that may not be the best player, but the best player for your side. As time goes on i feel the points system will work, it will certainly stop sides from buying a flag in 1 year, its becomes a process to recruit the right players over a 2-3 year period to compliment your up and coming juniors.

Interesting to hear that about Deacs. I heard he had arranged a road trip this weekend with a couple of old school friends thats had to be cancelled due to circumstances!

Any one point player who can play A grade footy is going to be worth something, what does it take to be a 1 point player at a club if you didnt play colts with them?

[BJ Ernest]

I think it has just been made too easy to get money playing football. Some clubs dont do enough research on players and pay money purely to get numbers. Its not hard to put a resume together that sounds good, even I can do that! Last season some boys from Goolwa went out to Callington for money. Most were on $150 - $250 per game. Lots of other Goolwa lads had the chance to go as well, but what if they had won a flag at callington? It would have meant stuff all! On the other hand if you build something from scratch with your mates at a club that you've played at since you were 5 then thats a different story. Until clubs stop throwing money and any tom dick or harry, then money will always play a big role.

Hasn't Wayne Deacon's name been mentioned in regards to the McLaren job?

I seriously doubt that Deacs would even think about coaching against his beloved Mudlarks??

Speaking to him recently, he wouldnt have in the past but things change....

Funny that!
Wayne no doubt will be keen to get his handds on a head coaching role again if this means its away from home then thats what will have to be done, if he gets it Mclarens would see the return of one good player in Loots.

WoW im sure Deacs would like to coach against Myponga, things didnt end perfectly there! Would he go to Mclarens? Im not sure if it would be up his alley down there, all footy clubs are different.

Wayne didnt mention the trip to the GF this week with his 2 school mates did he?

Would Loots follow Wayne back to Mclaren Kappars? What makes u say that?

Apologies to LF i didnt realise his club had so many kids rotating through their 14s aswell! A lot of kids playing our great game at the minute!!

[LuvsFooty]

I have heard people saying that former players are 1 point players, but i was under the impression that it was only former "junior" players, therefore someone like Dane Rolfe (just an example) would attract points according to where he played last. does anyone know the official take?

[Brock Landers]

Can anyone confirm that Deacs has put in for the McLaren coaching position or is it just rumours at this stage??

[A Mum]

Apologies to LF i didnt realise his club had so many kids rotating through their 14s aswell! A lot of kids playing our great game at the minute!!

Goolwa have 36
McLaren we have 34
I'm sure Willunga have a heap.

Any one know what the figures are at their clubs.... you're right BJ... lots and lots of kids playing our great game... it's great to see.

LF I base the 'most improved' on the fact that I mainly see the juniors and I know that Mt Compass were quite competitive when we played them, and you beat them, and Victor obviously were up there all season, and you beat them. You just keep climbing that mountain...lol.

And BJ... I suppose we see the Saints JC's as the underdogs... and the fact that we've come to 'know' LF that we are supporting him

[MrTeach]

I think it has just been made too easy to get money playing football. Some clubs dont do enough research on players and pay money purely to get numbers. Its not hard to put a resume together that sounds good, even I can do that! Last season some boys from Goolwa went out to Callington for money. Most were on $150 - $250 per game. Lots of other Goolwa lads had the chance to go as well, but what if they had won a flag at callington? It would have meant stuff all! On the other hand if you build something from scratch with your mates at a club that you've played at since you were 5 then thats a different story. Until clubs stop throwing money and any tom dick or harry, then money will always play a big role.

Hasn't Wayne Deacon's name been mentioned in regards to the McLaren job?

I seriously doubt that Deacs would even think about coaching against his beloved Mudlarks??

Speaking to him recently, he wouldnt have in the past but things change....

Funny that!
Wayne no doubt will be keen to get his handds on a head coaching role again if this means its away from home then thats what will have to be done, if he gets it Mclarens would see the return of one good player in Loots.

You honestly reckon the infamous Danny Loots will return from the Vikings if Deacon coaches.