THE BETTER CLUB WEST TORRENS OR GLENELG?

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Postby - » Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:35 pm

1980 Tassie Medalist wrote:Just making a GF may be okay to you Eagle supporters but for Glenelg supporters making a GF counts for 2 fifths of bugger all.

minor round wins count for bugger all in a head to head to battle.

Major round wins count to an extent but only to get you in a position to win the big one.

Only Flags count.......


Disagree.

If you cant win the flag be respectable. That is why Norwood are number two in my mind. They are not that far ahead on flags in the last 100 years but they consistently make finals and are rarely embarrasing like Glenelg, West, South, West Torrens and Woodville have been regularlly over the years. Sturt Count urself lucky not to be in that bracket with all those woodenys in a row.

You cant always win a flag and because of a club called Port Adelaide u r unlikely to even win ur fair share of 1 in 9 or 10. Being respectable and consistently up there is of huge importance. Its not all about flags.

BTW I have never declared myself as a West Torrens Supporter
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Postby am Bays » Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:40 pm

Maybe that is why other clubs aren't as successful as Port and Norwood because if you talk to people in those clubs the only thing that matters is flags.....That is why pot are the best and I respect them because theywant to win all the time by win I mean Flags...

If you are prepared to accept mediocrity that is what you will get.

We at Glenelg are sick of mediocrity, that is why we aim for flags and that is all that counts.
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Postby JK » Thu Jun 08, 2006 4:05 pm

Going by statistics in terms of win-loss, flags, finals, spoons etc, I think it's a pretty interesting question Dasher has posed and would find it hard to seperate ... I would say Glenelg for sure, but thats more because they exist in their own right (a pretty important fact that must be included in the debate) still.
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Postby - » Thu Jun 08, 2006 4:07 pm

Constance_Perm wrote:Going by statistics in terms of win-loss, flags, finals, spoons etc, I think it's a pretty interesting question Dasher has posed and would find it hard to seperate ... I would say Glenelg for sure, but thats more because they exist in their own right (a pretty important fact that must be included in the debate) still.


Thanks constancy. I think its interesting too.
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Postby - » Thu Jun 08, 2006 4:09 pm

1980 Tassie Medalist wrote:Maybe that is why other clubs aren't as successful as Port and Norwood because if you talk to people in those clubs the only thing that matters is flags.....That is why pot are the best and I respect them because theywant to win all the time by win I mean Flags...

If you are prepared to accept mediocrity that is what you will get.

We at Glenelg are sick of mediocrity, that is why we aim for flags and that is all that counts.


I agree and I dont accept mediocrity from my club either.

The fact are though that youb wont win the flag every year. Being competive when you don't is all part of the package and thats what Port and Norwood generally are.
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Postby MightyEagles » Thu Jun 08, 2006 4:40 pm

I know that the Eagles won't win a flag every year, but I want them to, we have been competive every year except for about 3 or so years in the mid 90s and have been in the most final series in the last few years (but have no flags for our efforts).
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Postby LondonDog » Thu Jun 08, 2006 6:25 pm

Am not a supporter of either side, but here's my thoughts:

They both have 4 premierships; Glenelg did it over a shorter period of time, and they are still around today.

The successes of the Woodville-WT merger cannot be included in this debate as they are strictly not West Torrens.

So my opinion is GLENELG.

As much as I hate to say it!!! :)
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Postby Pseudo » Thu Jun 08, 2006 6:39 pm

LondonDog wrote:They both have 4 premierships; Glenelg did it over a shorter period of time, and they are still around today.

Actually, Torrens did it over a shorter period of time. Glenelg's last flag was 52 years after its first. Torrens' first flag was some time in the twenties and its last in 1953, about 30 years.
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Postby Wedgie » Thu Jun 08, 2006 6:52 pm

I'd probably say Torrens as its pretty close on all counts and my deciding factor would be that Woodville coming in stuffed up a lot of their years, if the same had happened to Glenelg at the same time in their history they'd be down 3 premierships probably and would have been dead too.
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Postby LondonDog » Thu Jun 08, 2006 7:17 pm

Pseudo wrote:
LondonDog wrote:They both have 4 premierships; Glenelg did it over a shorter period of time, and they are still around today.

Actually, Torrens did it over a shorter period of time. Glenelg's last flag was 52 years after its first. Torrens' first flag was some time in the twenties and its last in 1953, about 30 years.


What I meant by my post is that Glenelg have managed 4 premierships in 82 years of existence, Torrens in 88 years of existence...

So in 7 years time when the Bays are STILL unable to add to their cabinet... I might change my mind :?
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Postby Strawb » Thu Jun 08, 2006 7:23 pm

It is a hard one to decide i will look towards Torrens as a team but we can play whatif's with these questions.
What if woodville was never admitted?
What if West Torrens managed to win a flag or two if Woodville never was admitted.
You can see since 1964 that West Torrens went down hill since then.
I am not anti woodville but there are a few grey area's with this Question
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Postby - » Thu Jun 08, 2006 7:30 pm

Wedgie wrote:I'd probably say Torrens as its pretty close on all counts and my deciding factor would be that Woodville coming in stuffed up a lot of their years, if the same had happened to Glenelg at the same time in their history they'd be down 3 premierships probably and would have been dead too.


Agree with that and hadnt thought of it that way.
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Postby spell_check » Thu Jun 08, 2006 8:02 pm

Pseudo wrote:
LondonDog wrote:They both have 4 premierships; Glenelg did it over a shorter period of time, and they are still around today.

Actually, Torrens did it over a shorter period of time. Glenelg's last flag was 52 years after its first. Torrens' first flag was some time in the twenties and its last in 1953, about 30 years.


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Postby eaglehaslanded » Thu Jun 08, 2006 8:50 pm

Aerie wrote:Pre 1991 - Head to head - Torrens 91 wins, Glenelg 69 wins, 1 draw.
Premierships - 4 each.

Post 1991 - Head to head - Eagles 28 wins, Glenelg 13 wins, 1 draw.
Premierships - 1 Eagles, 0 Glenelg.

West Torrens were the better club. Eagles are now the better club.


Top work Aerie. I don't see the point to this discussion. West Torrens are easily the better club out of these 2. the fact that Glenelg has only won the same amount of premierships but have played for fifteen years longer proves the point.
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Postby spell_check » Thu Jun 08, 2006 8:56 pm

Well, the only thing I can think of which actually started this debate is from FootySA.
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Postby am Bays » Thu Jun 08, 2006 9:07 pm

Memo EHL when the disenchanted Port Natives finally ceeded from the Port Adelaide Football Club and became the West Torrens Football Club, did the years 1897 to 1920 count for anything.......

Have you read Knuckles? Pretty apt descriptions of the difference between the two clubs me thinks....

In the words of the 'Oils, from the Beds are Burning CD,

The following applies to the Glenelg Football Club,

Celebrate, I just want to celebrate,
I'm not going to sell my soul to him
Let that be a lesson to you Port, no one beats the Bays five times in a row in a GF and gets away with it!!!
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Postby Wedgie » Thu Jun 08, 2006 9:18 pm

1980 Tassie Medalist wrote:In the words of the 'Oils, from the Beds are Burning CD,

The following applies to the Glenelg Football Club,

Celebrate, I just want to celebrate,
I'm not going to sell my soul to him


I think of something more like KC and the Sunshine Band rather than the Oils when I think of Glenelg. :lol:
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Postby am Bays » Thu Jun 08, 2006 9:26 pm

Ah Wedgie, can always rely on your provide some levity to any debate.... :lol:
Let that be a lesson to you Port, no one beats the Bays five times in a row in a GF and gets away with it!!!
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Postby Dutchy » Thu Jun 08, 2006 10:38 pm

We have a better club song(s)
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Postby rod_rooster » Thu Jun 08, 2006 11:13 pm

Wedgie wrote:
1980 Tassie Medalist wrote:In the words of the 'Oils, from the Beds are Burning CD,

The following applies to the Glenelg Football Club,

Celebrate, I just want to celebrate,
I'm not going to sell my soul to him


I think of something more like KC and the Sunshine Band rather than the Oils when I think of Glenelg. :lol:



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