Is retaliation acceptable

[Bubbula]

Countless times these days you will see a footballer get rubbed out for games for a) flying the flag for a felled team mate or b) retaliating after being belted himself.. I want your opinions wether you think this is fair or wether the ban should be reduced on the facts or wether there should even be a ban..

[stan]

Countless times these days you will see a footballer get rubbed out for games for a) flying the flag for a felled team mate or b) retaliating after being belted himself.. I want your opinions wether you think this is fair or wether the ban should be reduced on the facts or wether there should even be a ban..

umpires can only call what they see. No matter what happens you cant go around beling blokes.

[wattle]

Countless times these days you will see a footballer get rubbed out for games for a) flying the flag for a felled team mate or b) retaliating after being belted himself.. I want your opinions wether you think this is fair or wether the ban should be reduced on the facts or wether there should even be a ban..

umpires can only call what they see. No matter what happens you cant go around beling blokes.

EYE for an EYE happend to Phos in the c2 game yesterday started every fight and lost them all and the game,One player knocked out taken off on a stretcher after kinghitting someone behind play,you want to throw them then you would want to be able to take them,thats why its a team game flying the flag for your mates.But really shouldnt happen at all and dont like to see it in a game,should just be hard but fair

[Punk Rooster]

we played a side recently, they were winning, & for some strang reason, decided to go the knuckle- we won the game & the scraps...

I don't believe in players going the biff, just because the opposition player tackled him high, delivered a decent hip & shoulder, or infringed him in a physical manner. Being tough on a footy field to me means being able to absorb some punishment, & continuing to play the game.

[wattle]

we played a side recently, they were winning, & for some strang reason, decided to go the knuckle- we won the game & the scraps...

I don't believe in players going the biff, just because the opposition player tackled him high, delivered a decent hip & shoulder, or infringed him in a physical manner. Being tough on a footy field to me means being able to absorb some punishment, & continuing to play the game.

I agree Punk nothing better than having a beer with the opponant after a good hard but fair game.But when team mates get decked off the ball and behind play sometimes teams have no choice,but does not look good and no time for in it any football grade,but does seem worse in lower a grade comp's and in c grade

[Bubbula]

Countless times these days you will see a footballer get rubbed out for games for a) flying the flag for a felled team mate or b) retaliating after being belted himself.. I want your opinions wether you think this is fair or wether the ban should be reduced on the facts or wether there should even be a ban..

umpires can only call what they see. No matter what happens you cant go around beling blokes.

I understand what your saying. Thats just the way it is but lets say some one has hold of your guernsey and is really giving it to.. Where do ya draw the line on biffing back there?

[Bubbula]

we played a side recently, they were winning, & for some strang reason, decided to go the knuckle- we won the game & the scraps...

I don't believe in players going the biff, just because the opposition player tackled him high, delivered a decent hip & shoulder, or infringed him in a physical manner. Being tough on a footy field to me means being able to absorb some punishment, & continuing to play the game.

When I say belted I mean Clinched fist belted. Ya know, he has ya guersney and is belting you..

I can take a legal hit, a high tackle etc.. Thats football and if you cant take that get out of the game..

[sheeds]

When will people like you Bubbula ever get it?! Football has rules. If an umpire sees something against those rules he pays a free kick. End of story. If a player is hanging on to your guernsey Bubbula then the umpire should pay a free kick. If you want to chop his arm and break free then do so. If you want to hit him with a clenched fist then you are the one that shouldn't be playing the game because you have no discipline or self control. It really is as simple as this - strike a player, get caught, get suspended. Even in retaliation. Do it often enough to get 12 games and you're out of the amateur league. Try and understand that. If footy is too soft for you find a sport that lets you be as tough as you think you are. You take the risk of suspension even "flying the flag" for your mates. That's the rules. Instead of trying to find ways to break them try playing by them.

[Bubbula]

When will people like you Bubbula ever get it?! Football has rules. If an umpire sees something against those rules he pays a free kick. End of story. If a player is hanging on to your guernsey Bubbula then the umpire should pay a free kick. If you want to chop his arm and break free then do so. If you want to hit him with a clenched fist then you are the one that shouldn't be playing the game because you have no discipline or self control. It really is as simple as this - strike a player, get caught, get suspended. Even in retaliation. Do it often enough to get 12 games and you're out of the amateur league. Try and understand that. If footy is too soft for you find a sport that lets you be as tough as you think you are. You take the risk of suspension even "flying the flag" for your mates. That's the rules. Instead of trying to find ways to break them try playing by them.

You've blown this well out of proportion!! I know if your seen striking by an umpire regardless of what has happened to provoke it you should and will get reported. They blow it as they see it. Thats fair enough. What I was asking is do you think in regards to simply defending yourself as in he is continuely hitting you in the umpires view during a biff should your ban be discounted on these grounds when you fight back. Surely you are not saying that no footballer has the right to protect himself or no footballer has the right to protect his team-mate under fire?
And mate, some facts. I played rugby league for 16 years and was a boxer for 6 years. So im kind of thinking you dont know what tough really is. And the way you have typed your arguement Im thinking your the type of player who is a big mouth knowing no-one is allowed to belt you. Roger that

[sheeds]

Bubbula you can go on all you like about how tough you are. We are talking football. Not rugby or boxing. And no, penalties should not be discounted. By all means stick up for your mates, defend yourself against an opponent throwing fists - but unfortunately the laws of the game don't discriminate - get caught striking, kicking, eye gouging and you are going to get suspended. Justify your reasons for striking as much as you like but if you are reported and guilty you will get suspended. it's 2008 - time's have changed and for better or worse everything is judged more harshly and closely than ever so deal with it. That's all i'm saying and that's all you have to try and understand. Judging by your posts throughout this forum you haven't got a good word to say about anybody!! And for your info - just so you can stop racking your brain about what sort of player I was - I got hit often enough, I hit often enough and I was honest enough to take the suspensions that came my way. Because that's the rules.

[Bubbula]

Bubbula you can go on all you like about how tough you are. We are talking football. Not rugby or boxing. And no, penalties should not be discounted. By all means stick up for your mates, defend yourself against an opponent throwing fists - but unfortunately the laws of the game don't discriminate - get caught striking, kicking, eye gouging and you are going to get suspended. Justify your reasons for striking as much as you like but if you are reported and guilty you will get suspended. it's 2008 - time's have changed and for better or worse everything is judged more harshly and closely than ever so deal with it. That's all i'm saying and that's all you have to try and understand. Judging by your posts throughout this forum you haven't got a good word to say about anybody!! And for your info - just so you can stop racking your brain about what sort of player I was - I got hit often enough, I hit often enough and I was honest enough to take the suspensions that came my way. Because that's the rules.

Ok, you just remember.. I wanted peoples opinions on this matter. You gave yours.. Fine, but for f*ck sake just because people respect that you are free to have your opinion doesnt mean that must respect your opinion. You, get that into your head. I asked for an opinion, you gave yours but you push yours to far like yours must surely be right.. And whats this about me not having a good word to say about anything?

[finn]

umm, no.

[Rotter]

Countless times these days you will see a footballer get rubbed out for games for a) flying the flag for a felled team mate or b) retaliating after being belted himself.. I want your opinions wether you think this is fair or wether the ban should be reduced on the facts or wether there should even be a ban..

I suspect you might be the type of the chap the SAAFL introduced the new 12 game suspension/de-registering in their attempt to tidy up the image of the game....

[bandar]

Countless times these days you will see a footballer get rubbed out for games for a) flying the flag for a felled team mate or b) retaliating after being belted himself.. I want your opinions wether you think this is fair or wether the ban should be reduced on the facts or wether there should even be a ban..

umpires can only call what they see. No matter what happens you cant go around beling blokes.

EYE for an EYE happend to Phos in the c2 game yesterday started every fight and lost them all and the game,One player knocked out taken off on a stretcher after kinghitting someone behind play,you want to throw them then you would want to be able to take them,thats why its a team game flying the flag for your mates.But really shouldnt happen at all and dont like to see it in a game,should just be hard but fair

If any of this was factual it would be a good story. The guy got hit about 40 metres off the ball by some bloke that had no idea. He didn't kinghit anyone it was just some ovies bloke having a cheap shot. But you believe what ever you like.

[Bubbula]

Countless times these days you will see a footballer get rubbed out for games for a) flying the flag for a felled team mate or b) retaliating after being belted himself.. I want your opinions wether you think this is fair or wether the ban should be reduced on the facts or wether there should even be a ban..

I suspect you might be the type of the chap the SAAFL introduced the new 12 game suspension/de-registering in their attempt to tidy up the image of the game....

What do you mean mate.. Im asking for opinions on the matter?? Ive never been suspended playing aussie rules

[Bubbula]

Countless times these days you will see a footballer get rubbed out for games for a) flying the flag for a felled team mate or b) retaliating after being belted himself.. I want your opinions wether you think this is fair or wether the ban should be reduced on the facts or wether there should even be a ban..

umpires can only call what they see. No matter what happens you cant go around beling blokes.

EYE for an EYE happend to Phos in the c2 game yesterday started every fight and lost them all and the game,One player knocked out taken off on a stretcher after kinghitting someone behind play,you want to throw them then you would want to be able to take them,thats why its a team game flying the flag for your mates.But really shouldnt happen at all and dont like to see it in a game,should just be hard but fair

If any of this was factual it would be a good story. The guy got hit about 40 metres off the ball by some bloke that had no idea. He didn't kinghit anyone it was just some ovies bloke having a cheap shot. But you believe what ever you like.

hey hey, you lost the game, you lost the fight.. Give up the go.. I seen what got the young lad. It was high but he was bumped with intent.

[nuggety goodness]

haha... then Macca has a crack at cookie because he called him a druggie..... a bit too much fire in his belly for the wrong reasons.

i played with Macca at wingfield a couple years ago, everyone knows he's a druggie..... only got told the truth to his face and he didn't like it.... if that's all it takes to get him going look out....

on the topic, retaliation is what people want, that's why they hit you, they want a fight. the best footballers are the ones who can cop the hit and play on, focus your anger/emotions on the footy. so no retaliation is not acceptable if you ask me.

[Q.]

Just laugh in their face and beat them at the next contest.

[twogood4u]

Countless times these days you will see a footballer get rubbed out for games for a) flying the flag for a felled team mate or b) retaliating after being belted himself.. I want your opinions wether you think this is fair or wether the ban should be reduced on the facts or wether there should even be a ban..

I suspect you might be the type of the chap the SAAFL introduced the new 12 game suspension/de-registering in their attempt to tidy up the image of the game....

Hey bubbula! the baits still keeps coming lad! IMO! in sum extreme circumstances human nature will be self preservation and self defence (where ever it be) from physical assault is a legal defence by law in Australia. NO! retaliation is not in ANY form acceptable, ONLY self preservation allowed.

[wattle]

haha... then Macca has a crack at cookie because he called him a druggie..... a bit too much fire in his belly for the wrong reasons.

i played with Macca at wingfield a couple years ago, everyone knows he's a druggie..... only got told the truth to his face and he didn't like it.... if that's all it takes to get him going look out....

on the topic, retaliation is what people want, that's why they hit you, they want a fight. the best footballers are the ones who can cop the hit and play on, focus your anger/emotions on the footy. so no retaliation is not acceptable if you ask me.

Seen Macca (number 7) give cooke a cheap shot behind play,umpire's seen it he got sent off but no report????? if seen why not?to lazy to go to hearing on a wednesday night?Cooke to his credit took the hit laught it off and went on to cut PHOS up and get best,thats the way to retaliate