Rd 13 Eagles v Central preview

[holden78]

Lee would have to get a game ,you would think

[LPH]

Don't write 'us' off completely... Just a couple of changes in terms of 'mind set' & tactics... you never know

But seriously...

Pushing the proverbial wheelbarrow full UPHILL @ present.

C'mon Eagles!!!

[holden78]

Ron Fullers 3 biggest mistakes ( apart from top notch effort in 06 ) in my opinion : No. 1 After attending 2000 GF as spectater , failed to recruit to tackle the Dogs the following year . The coach wasnt the issue ! Strike 1 . No. 2 Finally a win over Dogs in 06 & since you could argue despite losing skippy , westbrook , potter & this year lindsay ,lomas , cooper , inkster , ( all top draw ) only schwarz & rimmo really replacements of note . Strike 2 . All history lessons I know , but heres the kicker : the one move that the coaches all acknowledged needed to happen after 06 flag was getting a C H Back to release our best player into multiple roles where he could do the most damage on & off the ball ! TWO years on it still rarely occurs against teams of quality & Mark Mckenzie still has to play the role , even though his body does struggle to stay with certain matchups . I say hes had to carry the can for long enough ( lack of key CHB ) . Surely his career like Cicca should be half forward changing into the centre . Ron your on the way to killing the goose that lays shiny eggs ! And thats strike 3 mate & you should then be OUT of your job .

[Mr Fuller]

Holden78

Have to disagree about McKenzie. He is too slow to play a permanent role in midfield and really is only good for a quarter or so.

In my mind Fuller is intent on playing youth but won't admit that some youth are not up to it. Fairclough is an example. He is a favourite of Fuller's but his form simply cannot warrant selection. Yet he'll continually get a game.

As far as recruiting our biggest let down (as has been mentioned already) is our inability to recruit genuine ball winning midfielders. Yes recruits like Treeby have turned out ok but we recruit these guys as unestablished 19-20 year olds who then develop as opposed to ready made VFL recruits such as Clayton, Callinan, Allan etc. This is a hit and miss strategy.

Unfortunately the eagles are not in the financial position to go chasing these stars and so have to rely on locals and 'lesser named VFL players' with the hope they will turn out ok. However at the end of this year I'd expect a bit of cash available with players such as Colville, Cicca, Passador who I think will all retire/return to Vic. Also some money from premature departure of Biagi.

We really have to snare that 'in and under' type rover and an onballer who can play a similar role that Cicca has played over the last 10 years. I am quite prepared to concede this year as long as there is a plan in place for next year regarding recuiting.

With this week in mind I'd like to see Lee get promoted. He is continually in the best in the reserves and Roberts has not set the world on fire. I can't see too many changes apart from that. I actually think the team on paper against Sturt looked pretty decent as far as structure and I think its a confidence thing at the moment.

[Mickyj]

If I was a betting man I'd put money on a win by CDFC by 100+.

I am very scared you are correct EHL .

I'm a proud, passionate and loyal supporter of our great club mickyj and I found those words very difficult tp type. I'd love to see us snatch a vicory here and get our season back on track but I just can't see how we can do it.

I would love to snatch a victory and like you I can not see how

[Mickyj]

central will win easily & as mentioned they do not lose 2 in a row

I will quote my online and TV Star Friend BAYMAN But ask the mighty SPELL CHECK .When was the last time Centrals lost two in a row ?
A very very slim like chance in hell that they can lose 2 in a row .

[Mickyj]

I think we head in to this game with more chance of winning than when we went to Elizabeth for the night game last year... Surely will see a more spirited performance this week.

I hear lots of good things about Goldsworthy and see he was named in the best again for the reserves. He is only 16, but for those that have seen him play, could he physically handle league footy already? If so, would surely be a chance for selection this week?

Not sure if he is quite ready just yet Aerie and what a team for a 16 yo to debut against !!
With JJ being out with a knee injury surely a place has opened up for the 18 yo Tom Couch .He can play on the wing and has also been spending time in the middle.Surely someone who has played some VFL (very little really )is ready to step up to league SANFL.And he is not slow and with some size.
Selectors show some balls pick COUCH!!

[Mickyj]

Lee would have to get a game ,you would think

I was calling for him after the Norwood game Holden .
Both the Norwood and Sturt game showed the EAGLES lack of that extra big man who can play down back .
Bring Lee in and drop Schwarze perhaps

[Mickyj]

Holden78

Have to disagree about McKenzie. He is too slow to play a permanent role in midfield and really is only good for a quarter or so.

In my mind Fuller is intent on playing youth but won't admit that some youth are not up to it. Fairclough is an example. He is a favourite of Fuller's but his form simply cannot warrant selection. Yet he'll continually get a game.

As far as recruiting our biggest let down (as has been mentioned already) is our inability to recruit genuine ball winning midfielders. Yes recruits like Treeby have turned out ok but we recruit these guys as unestablished 19-20 year olds who then develop as opposed to ready made VFL recruits such as Clayton, Callinan, Allan etc. This is a hit and miss strategy.

Unfortunately the eagles are not in the financial position to go chasing these stars and so have to rely on locals and 'lesser named VFL players' with the hope they will turn out ok. However at the end of this year I'd expect a bit of cash available with players such as Colville, Cicca, Passador who I think will all retire/return to Vic. Also some money from premature departure of Biagi.

We really have to snare that 'in and under' type rover and an onballer who can play a similar role that Cicca has played over the last 10 years. I am quite prepared to concede this year as long as there is a plan in place for next year regarding recuiting.

With this week in mind I'd like to see Lee get promoted. He is continually in the best in the reserves and Roberts has not set the world on fire. I can't see too many changes apart from that. I actually think the team on paper against Sturt looked pretty decent as far as structure and I think its a confidence thing at the moment.

Confidence and Team changes during the game more rightly I think.
Your other point of finding that in and under player has been part of my arguement .With the above mentioned players leaving why is the club not at every rep game looking at players in the 23 yo age group.

For me Lee and Couch in .
And Lee to be brought in to try and change our 1 dimensional RUCK DIVSION.Would it hurt every now and again to thump the ball to CHF the wing etc.

[Dog_ger]

Never under estimate Ron Fuller my friends.

A truly masterful coach.

I am waiting for the Eagles to get it together and come home with a very wet sail.

[sus]

Holden78

Have to disagree about McKenzie. He is too slow to play a permanent role in midfield and really is only good for a quarter or so.

In my mind Fuller is intent on playing youth but won't admit that some youth are not up to it. Fairclough is an example. He is a favourite of Fuller's but his form simply cannot warrant selection. Yet he'll continually get a game.

As far as recruiting our biggest let down (as has been mentioned already) is our inability to recruit genuine ball winning midfielders. Yes recruits like Treeby have turned out ok but we recruit these guys as unestablished 19-20 year olds who then develop as opposed to ready made VFL recruits such as Clayton, Callinan, Allan etc. This is a hit and miss strategy.

Unfortunately the eagles are not in the financial position to go chasing these stars and so have to rely on locals and 'lesser named VFL players' with the hope they will turn out ok. However at the end of this year I'd expect a bit of cash available with players such as Colville, Cicca, Passador who I think will all retire/return to Vic. Also some money from premature departure of Biagi.

We really have to snare that 'in and under' type rover and an onballer who can play a similar role that Cicca has played over the last 10 years. I am quite prepared to concede this year as long as there is a plan in place for next year regarding recuiting.

With this week in mind I'd like to see Lee get promoted. He is continually in the best in the reserves and Roberts has not set the world on fire. I can't see too many changes apart from that. I actually think the team on paper against Sturt looked pretty decent as far as structure and I think its a confidence thing at the moment.

Confidence and Team changes during the game more rightly I think.
Your other point of finding that in and under player has been part of my arguement .With the above mentioned players leaving why is the club not at every rep game looking at players in the 23 yo age group.

For me Lee and Couch in .
And Lee to be brought in to try and change our 1 dimensional RUCK DIVSION.Would it hurt every now and again to thump the ball to CHF the wing etc.

Couch??? Youve got to be kidding?

[spell_check]

central will win easily & as mentioned they do not lose 2 in a row

I will quote my online and TV Star Friend BAYMAN But ask the mighty SPELL CHECK .When was the last time Centrals lost two in a row ?
A very very slim like chance in hell that they can lose 2 in a row .

Round 14 and 16 2006.

[spell_check]

Holden78

Have to disagree about McKenzie. He is too slow to play a permanent role in midfield and really is only good for a quarter or so.

In my mind Fuller is intent on playing youth but won't admit that some youth are not up to it. Fairclough is an example. He is a favourite of Fuller's but his form simply cannot warrant selection. Yet he'll continually get a game.

As far as recruiting our biggest let down (as has been mentioned already) is our inability to recruit genuine ball winning midfielders. Yes recruits like Treeby have turned out ok but we recruit these guys as unestablished 19-20 year olds who then develop as opposed to ready made VFL recruits such as Clayton, Callinan, Allan etc. This is a hit and miss strategy.

Unfortunately the eagles are not in the financial position to go chasing these stars and so have to rely on locals and 'lesser named VFL players' with the hope they will turn out ok. However at the end of this year I'd expect a bit of cash available with players such as Colville, Cicca, Passador who I think will all retire/return to Vic. Also some money from premature departure of Biagi.

We really have to snare that 'in and under' type rover and an onballer who can play a similar role that Cicca has played over the last 10 years. I am quite prepared to concede this year as long as there is a plan in place for next year regarding recuiting.

With this week in mind I'd like to see Lee get promoted. He is continually in the best in the reserves and Roberts has not set the world on fire. I can't see too many changes apart from that. I actually think the team on paper against Sturt looked pretty decent as far as structure and I think its a confidence thing at the moment.

I can understand if Colville retires, but gee I hope Passador stays for another year. As we have seen, this year (well the 6 matches he has played) have been his best 6 matches in his career here.

And yes, I definitely believe Lee should be given a go. In the Reserves he is quite moblie and seems to get a lot of the ball outside of the hit outs.

[spell_check]

And, he has been in the Reserves ever since he came here at the start of last season, apart from Round 1 of last year. He hasn't spat the dummy and gone home like a couple of others, so it's time to reward that!

[eaglesfan]

Adam Grocke should be back in the League side. He can be one of our most effective players, and at least he is always competitive, a good example to many of the others who are not.

Central may not lose two in a row very often, but when was the last time (if ever) that the Eagles lost five straight at Woodville? We have put in four shockers there so far this year. Surely it is time that was turned around. Central are certainly not unbeatable at this time of year. Only a few weeks ago we were in front at three quarter time at Elizabeth (only to fall asleep in the last quarter!). What would really help is if we could stop giving away so many goals to the opposition courtesy of free kicks right in front of goal. We have been doing that all season (and it nearly cost us the game against South).

[spell_check]

Yeah, that's a name I thought of upon reading that Hentschel will be out with an ankle injury. Yes another injury!!!

The only time that 5 games have been lost in a row at Woodville was between Round 18 1996 and Round 8 1997. And the only other losing streak at Woodville that's more than two matches was 4 between Round 9 and 19 1995.

[Aerie]

It probably is time Lee was given an opportunity at the expense of Roberts, who has been ok, but nothing to demand a spot in the side. Hentschel will also be an out with injury as I imagine Jacky will be.

My team:

FF: Fitzgerald Schwarze Rimington
HF: Salter Grocke Geddes
C: Jarrad McKenzie Petrenko
HB: Cicolella McGregor Powell
FB: Colville Hier Wright
R: Dabrowski Treeby Fiacchi
I: Goldsworthy Pavlich Lee

Ins: Grocke Cicolella Wright Goldsworthy Lee
Outs: Hentschel Malinovski Jacky Daniel Roberts

[spell_check]

I can't argue with that, Aerie.

[cd]

Mickyj - club certainly has scouts out at all levels watching especially rep games.

[holden78]

CD thats the least we expect , the top gun onballers around the country cant be that hard to spot ; signing them to come well thats the trick ! But you & your recruiting friends have succeeded before when you have genuinely tried , so go get them guys ! Are we on the slide ? How has it come to this ? Is it cyclical , inevitable or bad luck ? Do we take the easy option & blame Ron or Ron & the board ? Every members allowed their say unquestionably , but ala AFL clubs that go off the rails , isnt it starting to look like the Eagles need an independant review ? FUNNY though South had one and basically ignored it as it was too honest ! Rons annual review the last 2 years may be why were now second rate . Fuelled by a flag , the Board seem to have given him free reign . The player mix seems far to reliant on kids to pick up the slack ( you shouldnt & cant count on AFL players re Centrals ) , look at our team line up at the moment minus the AFL lads if you are in doubt . It would take some courage for Ron to now acknowledge his mistakes & the Board to rectify the player list weaknesses . Re Centrals our close rivallry of the last 8 seasons , the template for success has been there right in front of us . Early on we lacked $ but thats not such an issue now & as a club we cant say we didnt know how you go about sustaining successful player lists . Centrals were put to the sword in 06 & come right back to win in 07 . Selective recruiting my friends , its not rocket science ; But it can turn out to be if you dont accept its as important as any portfolio in a SANFL club . All the average supporter really wants above all else is to win flags , and the premier team is always stacked with top gun midfielders . As members we can wait a few more years to pay off Port rd. if thats what it takes to see some exciting recruits next year !