Is the heat off the ABC now?

[spell_check]

The thread on ABC2 favouring the Test Pattern over the replays has well and truly slipped off the front page, and there has not been any recent news on it. Have they succeeded in giving everybody the run around in their responses until people forget about it?

[shootstavros]

The thread on ABC2 favouring the Test Pattern over the replays has well and truly slipped off the front page, and there has not been any recent news on it. Have they succeeded in giving everybody the run around in their responses until people forget about it?

Yes they have succeeded - this was the last response that I received from ABC2:

"I'm sorry to hear you are unhappy that ABC2 will not screen the 2008
state- and territory-based football competitions, and are additionally
dissatisfied with the ABC's response to your original email. You are
correct in observing that currently ABC2 closes most nights at around
the time that the football replays were broadcast. I appreciate that
this must add to your frustration. The closing time and the decision to
terminate the football replays are actually two unrelated issues. At the
present time the ABC's broadcast division does not have the resources to
manage two 24hr (or near 24hr) channels. ABC2 does intend to extend its
broadcast hours over the course of the year. With regards to the state-
and territory-based football competitions, ABC2 has advised that even if
resources were available to broadcast for longer hours, this material
would not be shown. This is based on the decision, as stated in the
recent response on the webpage, to only broadcast material that has a
nationwide audience.

I can empathise with the disappointment that you and others are feeling,
and I appreciate that you may remain unsatisfied with this response.
However that is the decision that has been made by ABC2. Please be
assured that your comments have been brought to the attention of the
relevant ABC staff.


Yours sincerely

Dave Graves
ABC Audience and Consumer Affairs"

So there you go they are not interested in the sporting community

I am now trying to see if Foxtel will take it on - they seem to be happy to put on the NSWRL and QLD Rugby League during the week.

[Dog_ger]

When my alarm goes off for work I turn the bedroom telly on.

A quiz show with a belt is to be won.

There are some smart people around that should really get a life..!

But congratulations to them.

I am a DUMMY.

[Dog_ger]

PS.

I love your early morning movies.

Please don't stop them..!

[JAS]

This might be a crazy idea but if they are adamant that they will not reinstate the replays what about suggesting that they make them available as an online download instead. Plenty of tv stations are starting to make shows available online these days so why not SANFL replays.

Should keep the fans happy and might be a way for them to judge how popular they really are. They could possibly even make them available to fans overseas and if it's a question of cost then charge a small fee per download to help with that. I'd suggest maybe trialing it for one season or at least until each club has had at least one game covered.

Just a thought

Regards
JAS

[Wedgie]

If they don't make them available for download there are ways around it, not that I'd in anyway partake or recommend it.

[bayman]

i'm still waiting for my reply from months ago

[JAS]

If they don't make them available for download there are ways around it, not that I'd in anyway partake or recommend it.

Yeh I know...trouble is that having family and friends scattered around the planet and relying on the interweb to keep in touch with them and for everything footy I can't afford to lose it so try to stick to legal stuff (yeh I know I'm a wimp). The bit about making it available overseas was purely selfish but I hoped my suggestion could be a logical compromise...even the old BBC, which I think is sort of equivelent to your ABC, now has a system for downloading shows...think they call it iPlayer and they include soccer matches.

Regards
JAS

[spell_check]

This is based on the decision, as stated in the
recent response on the webpage, to only broadcast material that has a
nationwide audience.

That's a lie.

[whatever]

yeah dont expect the abc to catch up with technology and put it on the web.

if you want to buy a copy of the game off of them you will get a video. Apparently to expensive for them to burn of DVD's

The ABC wouldn't be a government department.

[Keefy]

The thread on ABC2 favouring the Test Pattern over the replays has well and truly slipped off the front page, and there has not been any recent news on it. Have they succeeded in giving everybody the run around in their responses until people forget about it?

Yes they have succeeded - this was the last response that I received from ABC2:

"I'm sorry to hear you are unhappy that ABC2 will not screen the 2008
state- and territory-based football competitions, and are additionally
dissatisfied with the ABC's response to your original email. You are
correct in observing that currently ABC2 closes most nights at around
the time that the football replays were broadcast. I appreciate that
this must add to your frustration. The closing time and the decision to
terminate the football replays are actually two unrelated issues. At the
present time the ABC's broadcast division does not have the resources to
manage two 24hr (or near 24hr) channels. ABC2 does intend to extend its
broadcast hours over the course of the year. With regards to the state-
and territory-based football competitions, ABC2 has advised that even if
resources were available to broadcast for longer hours, this material
would not be shown. This is based on the decision, as stated in the
recent response on the webpage, to only broadcast material that has a
nationwide audience.

I can empathise with the disappointment that you and others are feeling,
and I appreciate that you may remain unsatisfied with this response.
However that is the decision that has been made by ABC2. Please be
assured that your comments have been brought to the attention of the
relevant ABC staff.


Yours sincerely

Dave Graves
ABC Audience and Consumer Affairs"

So there you go they are not interested in the sporting community

I am now trying to see if Foxtel will take it on - they seem to be happy to put on the NSWRL and QLD Rugby League during the week.

Aurora Channel shows the NSWAFL show every week, why can't they put something on from the WAFL and VFL, even if it's just a highlights package from their televised games.

[MAY-Z]

The thread on ABC2 favouring the Test Pattern over the replays has well and truly slipped off the front page, and there has not been any recent news on it. Have they succeeded in giving everybody the run around in their responses until people forget about it?

Yes they have succeeded - this was the last response that I received from ABC2:

"I'm sorry to hear you are unhappy that ABC2 will not screen the 2008
state- and territory-based football competitions, and are additionally
dissatisfied with the ABC's response to your original email. You are
correct in observing that currently ABC2 closes most nights at around
the time that the football replays were broadcast. I appreciate that
this must add to your frustration. The closing time and the decision to
terminate the football replays are actually two unrelated issues. At the
present time the ABC's broadcast division does not have the resources to
manage two 24hr (or near 24hr) channels. ABC2 does intend to extend its
broadcast hours over the course of the year. With regards to the state-
and territory-based football competitions, ABC2 has advised that even if
resources were available to broadcast for longer hours, this material
would not be shown. This is based on the decision, as stated in the
recent response on the webpage, to only broadcast material that has a
nationwide audience.

I can empathise with the disappointment that you and others are feeling,
and I appreciate that you may remain unsatisfied with this response.
However that is the decision that has been made by ABC2. Please be
assured that your comments have been brought to the attention of the
relevant ABC staff.


Yours sincerely

Dave Graves
ABC Audience and Consumer Affairs"

So there you go they are not interested in the sporting community

I am now trying to see if Foxtel will take it on - they seem to be happy to put on the NSWRL and QLD Rugby League during the week.

Aurora Channel shows the NSWAFL show every week, why can't they put something on from the WAFL and VFL, even if it's just a highlights package from their televised games.

yep they even have highlights of state league soccer matches, even womens matches were on the other night when i was channel flicking

[SimonH]

Certainly, once you get to the point of a response that says in effect:
* We acknowledge our position makes no sense
* We acknowledge that our position means that we are showing test pattern ahead of programming we have already made, and people have told us they want to see
* We acknowledge that it was an outright lie if any of our staff said that copyright issues prevented rebroadcast on ABC2,
then it's kind of hard to know how to respond. How can you keep up a conversation with somebody so useless?

Nonetheless, if the pressure stays on (especially through, e.g., people's MPs), they will eventually (my estimate: 2010) drag themselves into the 21st century and make it available as a vodcast/streaming program. Keep fightin' the good fight.

[doggies4eva]

While I am disappointed with this I can understand the ABC's attitude.

How can you nationally broadcast a sport that has local crowds of around 3,000 and has teams from the Adelaide metropolitan area only?

If the SANFL hadn't knocked back the NT's submission it at least could be argued that this is a regional comp. The SANFL is bringing this on itself.

[SimonH]

While I am disappointed with this I can understand the ABC's attitude.

How can you nationally broadcast a sport that has local crowds of around 3,000...

1. Like there are any other sort of crowds than local ones. Would hardly change the argument if it were proved that 20% of attendees turned up from more than 50km away.
2. How many people turn up to most national competitions? The SANFL is behind A-League and NRL, on a par with the NBL, and way ahead of any other national comp you care to name. So far as average attendances per game go, it's in the top 100 crowd drawing regular sporting comps in the world-- no mean feat when you consider how many nations' premier soccer comps clog the upper reaches of the list. Lack of interest in the comp could never be raised as a legitimate reason for nixing it, when so many comps (e.g. netball, domestic cricket) that draw far lower crowds get FTA TV coverage.

...and has teams from the Adelaide metropolitan area only? If the SANFL hadn't knocked back the NT's submission it at least could be argued that this is a regional comp. The SANFL is bringing this on itself.

They broadcast it when it had teams from the Adelaide metro area only. To be realistic, they were always going to treat VFL, WAFL and SANFL as a job lot: if SANFL had added an NT team, it's not like it would have been singled out for special treatment.

[gadj1976]

From memory, and I haven't taken a hell of a lot of notice, don't we get some Qld and NSW "local" rugby on a Sun arvo?

Just found it....

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/guide/netw/200 ... 150000.htm

How come we can get this, but not the Aussie Rules.

[Psyber]

From memory, and I haven't taken a hell of a lot of notice, don't we get some Qld and NSW "local" rugby on a Sun arvo?
Just found it....
http://www.abc.net.au/tv/guide/netw/200 ... 150000.htm
How come we can get this, but not the Aussie Rules.

It's elementary, my dear Watson.
The ABC is run from Sydney. "National" means NSW [and southern Qld]. That way they don't have to look fair afield for something to put on.

[Squawk]

From memory, and I haven't taken a hell of a lot of notice, don't we get some Qld and NSW "local" rugby on a Sun arvo?
Just found it....
http://www.abc.net.au/tv/guide/netw/200 ... 150000.htm
How come we can get this, but not the Aussie Rules.

It's elementary, my dear Watson.
The ABC is run from Sydney. "National" means NSW [and southern Qld]. That way they don't have to look fair afield for something to put on.

Ask Neil Cross about his thoughts when he got pushed aside for a consolidated National Sports broadcast (Peter what's his name).

[StrayDog]

While I am disappointed with this I can understand the ABC's attitude.

How can you nationally broadcast a sport that has local crowds of around 3,000...

On that score, I'd be curious to know how many people around the nation are rivetted to their armchairs when the PBA World (lawn bowls) Championships hits our ABC1 screens on a late Saturday arvo.

If the SANFL hadn't knocked back the NT's submission it at least could be argued that this is a regional comp. The SANFL is bringing this on itself.

That concept didn't keep the VFL with the Tassie Devils on ABC2 either. An NT side in the SANFL would have made no difference.

[Wedgie]

On that score, I'd be curious to know how many people around the nation are rivetted to their armchairs when the PBA World (lawn bowls) Championships hits our ABC1 screens on a late Saturday arvo.

A hell of a lot, you'd be surprised, and it is of huge interest nationally.
Certainly would get a massive more people watching nationwide than the SANFL would IMHO (all be it a completely different demographic on the whole).