3RD TEST WI V AU

[NFC]

Signs not good.

[locky801]

A win to the Aussies


Gayle, CH c:Lee b:Clark 26
Marshall, XM c:Jaques b:Casson 85
Sarwan, RR lbw:Clarke 43
Chanderpaul, S lbw:Clark 50
Bravo, DJ c:Jaques b:Casson 69
Ramdin, D lbw:Clark 8
Taylor, JE c:Haddin b:Johnson 31
Chattergoon, S c:Haddin b:Lee 13
Benn, SJ c:Hussey b:Casson 13
Powell, DB c:Haddin b:Lee 6
Edwards, FH not out 5

DNB: FOW: 1-64 ( Gayle, 15.3 ov), 2-159 ( Sarwan, 35.5 ov), 3-181 ( Marshall, 44.1 ov), 4-303 ( Bravo, 82.6 ov), 5-303 ( Chanderpaul, 83.3 ov), 6-345 ( Ramdin, 93.3 ov), 7-351 ( Taylor, 94.2 ov), 8-375 ( Chattergoon, 99.3 ov), 9-375 ( Benn, 100.5 ov), 10-387 ( Powell, 105.4 ov),

Lee, B 25.4 3 109 2
Clark, SR 24.0 8 58 3
Johnson, MG 12.0 0 72 1
Casson, B 25.0 3 86 3
Clarke, MJ 17.0 1 38 1
Symonds, A 2.0 0 6 0

[stampy]

Could be argued he's been better than any opener, ever. Can't think of too many career openers with a better record. Better average and strike rate than Gavaskar who is my immediate thought of a rival.

he was on the outer for quite a few years as well, imagine if he had been in there all along

[Rik E Boy]

Man of the Katch...except he can't!

regards,

REB

[Rik E Boy]

Could be argued he's been better than any opener, ever. Can't think of too many career openers with a better record. Better average and strike rate than Gavaskar who is my immediate thought of a rival.

Hobbs and Sutcliffe? Cue spelly.....

regards,

REB

[locky801]

Man of the Katch...except he can't!

regards,

REB

can't be perfect I guess REB

[best on hill]

i think some catching practice is in order for the aussie team

[Grahaml]

Could be argued he's been better than any opener, ever. Can't think of too many career openers with a better record. Better average and strike rate than Gavaskar who is my immediate thought of a rival.

Hobbs and Sutcliffe? Cue spelly.....

regards,

REB

Hobbs average is a couple of runs better, but he only batted in 3 countries, and South African conditions are pretty similar to ours. Hayden has played with good success on the subcontinent which Hobbs never saw at test level. Sutcliffe's average is higher again (60) but again, never had to play in the variety of conditions Hayden has.

[smithy]

Does anyone know who was the last white west indian test cricketer?

[MAY-Z]

Could be argued he's been better than any opener, ever. Can't think of too many career openers with a better record. Better average and strike rate than Gavaskar who is my immediate thought of a rival.

Hobbs and Sutcliffe? Cue spelly.....

regards,

REB

Hobbs average is a couple of runs better, but he only batted in 3 countries, and South African conditions are pretty similar to ours. Hayden has played with good success on the subcontinent which Hobbs never saw at test level. Sutcliffe's average is higher again (60) but again, never had to play in the variety of conditions Hayden has.

hobbs and sutcliffe never played against zimbabwe and bangladesh either and the pitches werent the highways they are now days

[Grahaml]

Moot point. Out of 94 matches, 6 are against Zim or Bang. 4 against Bangladesh at 33.6. His stats aren't exactly inflated by that. On the "roads" of India and Sri Lanka he averages 62. He averages 48 in every country (9) he's played in, 7 more than 50 with the only ones he drops under 50 he's only played 2 matches in each.

I don't exactly remember the pitches Hobbs and Sutcliffe played on, but I doubt they had bowlers poring over hours of video analysis to pinpoint weaknesses, and nor do I expect they had to worry about Shoaib hurling 150kph thunderbolts at their heads! I deliberately didn't mention the disadvantages of the modern era because I think that all eras have their own nuances that are part of the game at the time. However, surely success in such a variety of conditions as Hayden has must earn him extra credit. Hobbs, Sutcliffe and even Bradman never had the chance so perhaps they could have done better if they had. But really, they were tested on mainly the same batting conditions throughout their careers.

[MAY-Z]

Moot point. Out of 94 matches, 6 are against Zim or Bang. 4 against Bangladesh at 33.6. His stats aren't exactly inflated by that. On the "roads" of India and Sri Lanka he averages 62. He averages 48 in every country (9) he's played in, 7 more than 50 with the only ones he drops under 50 he's only played 2 matches in each.

I don't exactly remember the pitches Hobbs and Sutcliffe played on, but I doubt they had bowlers poring over hours of video analysis to pinpoint weaknesses, and nor do I expect they had to worry about Shoaib hurling 150kph thunderbolts at their heads! I deliberately didn't mention the disadvantages of the modern era because I think that all eras have their own nuances that are part of the game at the time. However, surely success in such a variety of conditions as Hayden has must earn him extra credit. Hobbs, Sutcliffe and even Bradman never had the chance so perhaps they could have done better if they had. But really, they were tested on mainly the same batting conditions throughout their careers.

umm ok they are some good stats- or at least they would be if they were true.

in england he averages 34.5, in new zealand 28.14 these would be the worlds 2 most seamer friendly countries and those stats arent that great are they, hardly says he can handle all conditions does it.

you have rather convienly left out his 380 vs zimbabwe when talking about minnows not inflating his stats.

bowlers may have viedos of his batting but he also has videos of their bowling and access to hours and hours of batting practice

its also interesting that you mentioned shoiab, hayden has a poor record against him.

[Grahaml]

My apologies, I must have been looking at the strike rate column!

[Rik E Boy]

But really, they were tested on mainly the same batting conditions throughout their careers.

You forgot about the dreaded 'sticky' that would reduce the best batsmen to mere mortal status. Another batsman left out of this conversation is WG Grace. He redifined the art of batting on oncovered pitches. Before WG players would stick to forward or back, and sometimes one side of the wicket. WG was the first batsman to do it all. No other cricketer except Bradman has a larger advantage over his contemporaries than WG Grace.

regards,

REB

[magpie in the 80's]

Does anyone know who was the last white west indian test cricketer?

last one was greenidge......................geoff greenidge

Full name Geoffrey Alan Greenidge
Born May 26, 1948, Fontabelle, St Michael, Barbados
Current age 60 years 22 days
Major teams West Indies, Barbados, Sussex
Batting style Right-hand bat
Bowling style Legbreak googly

Geoff Greenidge exploded onto the scene when he smashed 205 on his debut as an opener for Barbados against the Leeward Islands in 1966-67, and grabbed 7 for 124 with his legspin in the Leeward's first innings for good measure. He made his Test debut against New Zealand at Georgetown in 1971-72, scoring 50 and 35*, following up with 38 and 21 in the final Test of the series at Port-of-Spain. But the following winter he struggled to maintain his form against Australia and was dropped. He continued to play with success for Barbados and, between 1968 and 1975, with mixed fortunes for Sussex. In 1976 he was at the centre of a massive row when the Guyanese government cancelled the Shell Shield match with Barbados because Greenidge had visited Rhodesia with an international side the previous winter. Barbados refused to back down and returned home. His other claim to fame is that he is the last white player to be picked for West Indies.

[Thiele]

well done Aussies

[hearts on fire]

well done Aussies

agreed.

[Zulu]

Watched a fair bit of this test series, and on the whole was disappointed with the bowling of Mitchell Johnson. The great left arm quicks usually had an inswinger as their stock delivery to the right hander, with their natural slant across the batsman as variation. Johnson seems to shape everything away from the batsmen, with an even wider ball for variation.

Is he on shaky ground going forward if this continues, with someone like Bollinger as a potential replacement?

[Grahaml]

Watched a fair bit of this test series, and on the whole was disappointed with the bowling of Mitchell Johnson. The great left arm quicks usually had an inswinger as their stock delivery to the right hander, with their natural slant across the batsman as variation. Johnson seems to shape everything away from the batsmen, with an even wider ball for variation.

Is he on shaky ground going forward if this continues, with someone like Bollinger as a potential replacement?

Not after taking 4 for in an innings. Safe for a little while yet.

What about the question of who will the NEXT white West Indian cricketer be?

[Hazbeen]

Series Stats

Batting
M I NO RUNS HS AV 50-100
Ponting 3 6 0 323 158 53.83 1-1
Katich 3 5 0 319 157 63.8 0-2
Symonds 3 6 2 264 79 66.0 3-0
Jaques 3 6 0 245 108 40.83 1-1
Clarke 2 4 1 168 110 56.0 0-1
Haddin 3 6 1 151 45* 30.2 0-0
Hussey 3 6 0 137 56 22.83 1-0
Lee 3 5 2 103 63* 34.33 1-0
Hodge 1 2 0 94 67 47.0 1-0
Johnson 3 4 1 55 29* 18.33 0-0
Casson 1 1 0 10 10 10.0 0-0
Clark 3 3 1 5 3 2.5 0-0
MacGill 2 2 0 2 2 1.0 0-0

Bowling
0 M Runs Wkts BB Av
Lee 132.4 30 427 18 5/59 23.72
Clark 110 30 251 13 5/32 19.3
Johnson 104.5 20 347 10 4/41 34.7
MacGill 76 7 325 5 2/43 65.0
Clarke 40 11 77 4 2/20 19.25
Casson 32 4 129 3 3/86 43.0
Symonds 36 11 73 1 1/17 73.0
Hussey 6 2 14 0 0/14 ---

Fielding
Ct
Haddin 16
Hussey 5
Jaques 4
Katich 3
Casson 2
Clarke 2
Lee 2
Symonds 2
Clark 1
Johnson 1
Hodge 1
Ponting 1