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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Navy2005 » Sun Jun 01, 2008 4:08 pm

Bag The Points wrote:Scott Kelly's walked out on the Hawks !!! Bobby McMahon took 'em yesterday with the help of Jim Garden.
What a loser !! The job was too big for him so now he's not even playing for them ! Not only the Hawks, but the whole of the Southern Football League has been left in the poo. At least Hooper saw out the season (in fact two of them).
We need a stronger Hackham. We need someone with the gumption and the patience to see the job through.
Any chance of cloning Shane Lynch ? :-k


What reasons did Scott Kelly cite for leaving the Hawks?
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby AFLflyer » Sun Jun 01, 2008 4:33 pm

Zelezny Chucks wrote:
Bag The Points wrote:Scott Kelly's walked out on the Hawks !!! Bobby McMahon took 'em yesterday with the help of Jim Garden.
What a loser !! The job was too big for him so now he's not even playing for them ! Not only the Hawks, but the whole of the Southern Football League has been left in the poo. At least Hooper saw out the season (in fact two of them).
We need a stronger Hackham. We need someone with the gumption and the patience to see the job through.
Any chance of cloning Shane Lynch ? :-k


So what your saying is ideally the Kelly gang should be "lynched"??

Why does that seem so familiar...

On another note, Mex I believe it is a learner umpire and seeing as it's hard enough to expect an experienced umpire in the SFL to get it right, you can hardly blame the kid for not knowing the rules. If 21 is the player I think it is he has always had more chance of getting a couple of kicks in a fight than relying on his footy talent.

Question for Fly and AFLflyer, Do you now believe something might not be right amongst the group or have the Twisties become a 40 goal better side than 2007? And before you jump on the "but Morphies have lost 2 matches in 3 weeks" have a look at the opposition they have lost to.


wasn't at the game champ, but this result just signifies a closer competition right? isnt this a great thing for the competition? it's a long season and I'll think you will find a pretty close ladder. Reynella have only lost 3. m.v have now lost 2? Brighton have lost atleast 3 too. It's a long season with plenty of footy to play. good on the twisties.

anyone have the exact top 8 ladder.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby umpy who? » Sun Jun 01, 2008 4:52 pm

Hi guys

thought i would stop by and write a quick message - i've been reading this forum for a bit, love reading info on the Southern Football League, and how it all operates from you guys.

I am an umpire in the SFL (and GSFL - we still do both leagues as most of you are aware), obviously not going to tell you much about myself, but i thought writing here could give some sort of umpires perspective instead of you guys just mouthing off at us. :)

play fair, i'm still a good guy :wink:
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby AFLflyer » Sun Jun 01, 2008 5:36 pm

fair pay - nice one umpy! im sure your gonna get all sort of qestions on here!
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby umpy who? » Sun Jun 01, 2008 5:44 pm

i don't mind questions - as long as it doesn't get personal :)

and you can't blame me for decisions that were made at every game - i'm not at 7 different grounds at once :roll:
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby AFLflyer » Sun Jun 01, 2008 5:48 pm

nice, on the front foot very early in the innings!
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby LuvsFooty » Sun Jun 01, 2008 5:51 pm

Umpy Who

1st question:

How many games of football have you played in your life?

2nd Question:

Is it true that only umpires that train during the week with the group are able to umpire A grade fixtures, even though there may be an umpire of a better standard available?

3rd Question:

What do umpires do at training to simulate match conditions?
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby umpy who? » Sun Jun 01, 2008 6:41 pm

How many games of football have you played in your life?

played about 40 games in Under 14's and Under 16's for a couple of seasons - never went any higher and was not good enough to get any higher, i knew that, and most people around me knew that, i could run, but i couldn't do much else, so i thought i would try my hand at umpiring


Is it true that only umpires that train during the week with the group are able to umpire A grade fixtures, even though there may be an umpire of a better standard available?

not neccesarily - they certainly look at people more who come out to training regularly - it is easier to give them feedback, it is easier to see their fitness and the work they are doing on the track and how they are "improving" as such, as an umpire.

Having said that, there is no pre-requisite as such for coming to training every single session, and if you are a good umpire they will pick you, there is no pre-requisite for getting an A grade game or B grade or Under 18's or whatever. You could be the worst umpire in the world, turn up to training every week - it doesn't mean you will get an A grade game and an umpire of a better standard will probably get promoted ahead of you.

But similar to playing, you still have to show the ability to do it on the field on a Saturday and that will show up whether you train regularly or not.

What do umpires do at training to simulate match conditions?

i'm assuming you're talking about field umpires -

it is a bit hard at times to simulate match conditions when there are no players around to help out in that regard, but we do get a bit going. We work on angles in and around packs, we work on positioning (for example: ball being kicked into the forward line and trying to get into position to see a push in the back and things like that), we practice ball-ups (yes, i am serious) and backing out of packs.

For things like Holding the balls and high tackles it is hard to practice because all we can do is call it as we see it, positioning helps with that, which is what we train for, but decision making is not something we can actually practice. I find that good practice for decision making is watching AFL football, we can sit and watch it and make our decisions and see what they do at AFL level, but it is very hard to practice that sort of thing at training, because we don't have the time, the facilities, the technology or the personnel to do it properly.

We also do a lot of fitness work at training - which does actually help with the decision making, better fitness is crucial to a good umpire - a lot of running is involved, some of it is unnecessary, but it has to be done.

hope that answers your questions for now.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby petoe » Sun Jun 01, 2008 9:38 pm

A lot of negative talk on forums here, how bout some positives.

This season the fact that 13 of the 14 teams in the SFL are fighting for and able to make the top 8 is sensational, and that the top 6 aren't as invincible as they once were. Starting with morphie parks win vs. Reynella this week. I also predict at least another 5 games, including finals where a mid to lower team will knock off one the last 2 years top 6 teams. Also this season that the top 6 are also beating each other in different form combinations is great (except cove so far, undefeated).

As said on the GSFL forum that yesterdays win for yank over lang creek is the biggest upset in that league for 20 years, morphie parks over reynella yesterday would be the biggest upset on a dry day in the last 10 years of the SFL! without a doubt. Can you believe the turn around from their scoreline late last year which was about 43 goals to 5!!!!!!!

I heard rumours that morphie park had some glenelg reserves players play, which helped? Anyone confirm?

I reckon that on their day and any weather that any 1 of prob 11 teams can beat ANY other side this year if all falls into place on the day, Its fantastic for the league.

On a sour note, it isnt good news to see that hackham look to be on the big slide again with the latest news in the seniors, there was a lot of promise there from the start of this season, so its dissapointing.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby lovetotalkfooty » Sun Jun 01, 2008 9:55 pm

umpy who? wrote:How many games of football have you played in your life?

played about 40 games in Under 14's and Under 16's for a couple of seasons - never went any higher and was not good enough to get any higher, i knew that, and most people around me knew that, i could run, but i couldn't do much else, so i thought i would try my hand at umpiring


Is it true that only umpires that train during the week with the group are able to umpire A grade fixtures, even though there may be an umpire of a better standard available?

not neccesarily - they certainly look at people more who come out to training regularly - it is easier to give them feedback, it is easier to see their fitness and the work they are doing on the track and how they are "improving" as such, as an umpire.

Having said that, there is no pre-requisite as such for coming to training every single session, and if you are a good umpire they will pick you, there is no pre-requisite for getting an A grade game or B grade or Under 18's or whatever. You could be the worst umpire in the world, turn up to training every week - it doesn't mean you will get an A grade game and an umpire of a better standard will probably get promoted ahead of you.

But similar to playing, you still have to show the ability to do it on the field on a Saturday and that will show up whether you train regularly or not.

What do umpires do at training to simulate match conditions?

i'm assuming you're talking about field umpires -

it is a bit hard at times to simulate match conditions when there are no players around to help out in that regard, but we do get a bit going. We work on angles in and around packs, we work on positioning (for example: ball being kicked into the forward line and trying to get into position to see a push in the back and things like that), we practice ball-ups (yes, i am serious) and backing out of packs.

For things like Holding the balls and high tackles it is hard to practice because all we can do is call it as we see it, positioning helps with that, which is what we train for, but decision making is not something we can actually practice. I find that good practice for decision making is watching AFL football, we can sit and watch it and make our decisions and see what they do at AFL level, but it is very hard to practice that sort of thing at training, because we don't have the time, the facilities, the technology or the personnel to do it properly.

We also do a lot of fitness work at training - which does actually help with the decision making, better fitness is crucial to a good umpire - a lot of running is involved, some of it is unnecessary, but it has to be done.

hope that answers your questions for now.



I have highlighted a sentence above and i believe this is the reason more and more players are getting fustrated with the game. Would it not make more sense to only pay the obvious free kicks and try and let the game flow a little more. Maybe try and keep the free kick count down to maybe 10 - 15 a week not the 40 - 50 frees they are paying every week. Unless it is a blantant push in the back and not just a arm resting in his back let it go and the game will be less fustrating for both the players and the crowd.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby petoe » Sun Jun 01, 2008 10:07 pm

Madrooster wrote:Good win for the cheese twisties if that is correct. I know a few of the boys and they are really excited by the group they have put together and beleive that it will form the foundation of their club for many years to come.

Good to see the lower clubs close the gap on the heavyweights, and on a shoe string budget in comparison to the pace setters.



Mate u have to be kidding urself if u think morphie park have brought (or should it be bought?) their new recruits in for penuts!
Radley, wiese, lance, johns and co, didnt jump on for nothing! And for ur info the pace setters of the last 5 years have done so with junior development and a great club culture and ethic, not money.

So poor post all round!
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby umpy who? » Sun Jun 01, 2008 10:25 pm

lovetotalkfooty wrote:
umpy who? wrote:How many games of football have you played in your life?

played about 40 games in Under 14's and Under 16's for a couple of seasons - never went any higher and was not good enough to get any higher, i knew that, and most people around me knew that, i could run, but i couldn't do much else, so i thought i would try my hand at umpiring


Is it true that only umpires that train during the week with the group are able to umpire A grade fixtures, even though there may be an umpire of a better standard available?

not neccesarily - they certainly look at people more who come out to training regularly - it is easier to give them feedback, it is easier to see their fitness and the work they are doing on the track and how they are "improving" as such, as an umpire.

Having said that, there is no pre-requisite as such for coming to training every single session, and if you are a good umpire they will pick you, there is no pre-requisite for getting an A grade game or B grade or Under 18's or whatever. You could be the worst umpire in the world, turn up to training every week - it doesn't mean you will get an A grade game and an umpire of a better standard will probably get promoted ahead of you.

But similar to playing, you still have to show the ability to do it on the field on a Saturday and that will show up whether you train regularly or not.

What do umpires do at training to simulate match conditions?

i'm assuming you're talking about field umpires -

it is a bit hard at times to simulate match conditions when there are no players around to help out in that regard, but we do get a bit going. We work on angles in and around packs, we work on positioning (for example: ball being kicked into the forward line and trying to get into position to see a push in the back and things like that), we practice ball-ups (yes, i am serious) and backing out of packs.

For things like Holding the balls and high tackles it is hard to practice because all we can do is call it as we see it, positioning helps with that, which is what we train for, but decision making is not something we can actually practice. I find that good practice for decision making is watching AFL football, we can sit and watch it and make our decisions and see what they do at AFL level, but it is very hard to practice that sort of thing at training, because we don't have the time, the facilities, the technology or the personnel to do it properly.

We also do a lot of fitness work at training - which does actually help with the decision making, better fitness is crucial to a good umpire - a lot of running is involved, some of it is unnecessary, but it has to be done.

hope that answers your questions for now.



I have highlighted a sentence above and i believe this is the reason more and more players are getting fustrated with the game. Would it not make more sense to only pay the obvious free kicks and try and let the game flow a little more. Maybe try and keep the free kick count down to maybe 10 - 15 a week not the 40 - 50 frees they are paying every week. Unless it is a blantant push in the back and not just a arm resting in his back let it go and the game will be less fustrating for both the players and the crowd.



first off, i'll say that an umpire has no-idea of the free kick count in a game, we never will, simply because we don't care, and the crowd we don't care about.

having said that, you're absolutely right though, it is frustrating, not too many umpires would argue with you, the fact is, we're instructed to umpire to the letter of the law, the "new" push in the back law (obviously been in for a couple of seasons now) doesn't allow for that in a marking contest, you've got to remember that the same laws apply in the AFL as in the SFL, the SANFL, and every other league around Australia, so it's going to be the same everywhere, we see an arm resting in someone's back, it's always going to be called, because it is a free kick. An umpire may miss it, it happens - due to positioning or a player getting in the way or some other occurence, sadly though that's the way the game has gone, and us as umpires can't do much about.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby LuvsFooty » Sun Jun 01, 2008 10:44 pm

Thanks for the answers umpy but I think it highlights the root of many problems (not having a go here, you personally could be a great umpire) but:

1. Most umpires have played very little footy, so when positioning is highlighted so much I wonder how after only 40 games of football umpires would have a thorough understanding of the 'best' positions to be in. In fact the 3 best umpires in the GSFL that I have seen are probably Greg Whitlesea, Paul Crate and Bryn Bridges. Neither of these guys worry about appearance, they communicate with players (players can also talk to them and ask questions) and they position themselves where they can make decisions (not where an umpire coach thinks they should go) And guess what? they have all played over 150 A grade matches and they have all coached. A receipe for success

2. When players train they do drills and skills that simulate match conditions. Umpires as stated do not!

3. Fitness is mentioned several times! I understand umpires need a certain level of fitness, but we are talking country footy. Please understand it doesnt matter how well you run. Consistent decision making is what matters.

Not having a go umpy at you personally but the above issues are probably what a lot of people (players / supporters) would highlight as some issues
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby LuvsFooty » Sun Jun 01, 2008 10:46 pm

By the way sorry for taking over the SFL forum. I must say as a GSFL supporter I have loved picking up the Sunday Mail this year and seeing close, unpredicatble results in the SFL. It can only be good for the comp.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby pale ale » Sun Jun 01, 2008 10:49 pm

Bad news for the Hawks, there has been a lot of work off season to improve but I cant see much chance now, sad week for the club - should we suggest merger before gone forever, good luck to those concerned and as for the KellyBoys I'm with you bag the points
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby smithy » Sun Jun 01, 2008 10:51 pm

WElcome to the SFL forums umpy who?

The lads here are quite good considering how popular this part of the site is.

As a moderator I can honestly say they hardly ever step over the mark and it's normally good reading.
At worst it's more handbags at 10 key strokes to be honest.

Then again, we've never had anyone own up to being a white maggot on here before so you never know? :D
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby smithy » Sun Jun 01, 2008 10:52 pm

LuvsFooty wrote:By the way sorry for taking over the SFL forum. I must say as a GSFL supporter I have loved picking up the Sunday Mail this year and seeing close, unpredicatble results in the SFL. It can only be good for the comp.

Absolutely luvsfooty.
Just because Morphett Vale have lost 2 games doesn't mean that there is something wrong with the club, maybe the other clubs that are aspiring to be as good as them are catching up a bit.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Morphies Magic » Sun Jun 01, 2008 11:01 pm

Who went down and watched the Morphy parks game? Are they better then Reynella??

Thoughts on better players for both sides. Looked like a good solid game from all reports
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby pale ale » Sun Jun 01, 2008 11:09 pm

Morphies Magic wrote:Who went down and watched the Morphy parks game? Are they better then Reynella??

Thoughts on better players for both sides. Looked like a good solid game from all reports


Didnt you go MM, I heard that Simon Weise played well and i see that he is in the Association Squad, dont know much about him whats he like
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Morphies Magic » Sun Jun 01, 2008 11:12 pm

pale ale wrote:
Morphies Magic wrote:Who went down and watched the Morphy parks game? Are they better then Reynella??

Thoughts on better players for both sides. Looked like a good solid game from all reports


Didnt you go MM, I heard that Simon Weise played well and i see that he is in the Association Squad, dont know much about him whats he like


Yeah he can play footy he played at blyth last year and come fifth in the medal so the kid can play. he has bought his brother out and heaps of mates
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