Should an umpire be allocated to a game if.....

[Demon68]

Plympton Bulldogs by any chance?

[zedman]

i have found that on most occasions "our" umpire actually gives us very little..because he doesnt want to be seen as favouring us..he may make bad decisions but they are for both teams..this guy doesnt play and has never played for us..his kid plays in the lower grades..imo the worse umpire is glenunga's infamous man in white

[Lightning McQueen]

i have found that on most occasions "our" umpire actually gives us very little..because he doesnt want to be seen as favouring us..he may make bad decisions but they are for both teams..this guy doesnt play and has never played for us..his kid plays in the lower grades..imo the worse umpire is glenunga's infamous man in white

Quite possibly, you tend to notice it more when you seem to miss out on the ones that you think that are there and focus less on the ones the other team misses out on.

Yeah, I know who you are talking about, nice nloke, but yeah, makes you cringe sometimes. I always thought the Mitcham one gave them the best service, they always have a pretty handy B grade to add to it, but still, there are a few pretty poor displays on offer.

[Demon68]

If you are talking about their B grade umpire for the Kookas, he used to play for Kenilworth a while back.

So we have given him a fair assessment, how do we get him to umpire more consistent, what is his major flaws and what decisions is he most inconsistent with?

Zedman do you play in the B Grade and are you umpired by him?, what do you find his major flaws?

He seems to protect the ball carrier with head highs, and he gives the ball carrier a reasonable chance to get rid of the ball, however I reckon he misses some scragging and holding and yes his consistency needs work, he makes some really good decisions and then the same situation pops up later in the match and he misses it, it would seem he doesn't get into good position.

[Demon68]

Should the league implement a system of neutral umpires for reserve grades based on location,

Say some of the matches of one round consist of:
Colonel Light Gardens vs Lockleys at Home - Kenilworth and Unley Umpires
Unley versus Fitzroy at home - Colonel Light and Mitcham Umpire
Brahma Lodge versus Glenunga at BL - Eastern Park and Para Hill Umpire
Para Hills versus Walkerville at PH - Modbury and Golden Grove Umpires

and so on and so on so that each match has neutral umpires.

however something to consider is that alot of club umpires like to watch their A Grade so now we consider matches close to where the club is playing so

Golden Grove is playing at Plympton - so the Golden Grove B grade Umpire is allocated PHOS Camden game or Mitchell Park game so they can then get to Plymton and watch the A grade.

Lockleys is playing at Colonel Light Gardens - the Lockleys B grade club umpire, umpires Unley, Mirtcham, Kenilworth or Scoth OC B Grade so he can then watch his Lockleys a's close by.

Your Thoughts

[giffo]

Anything that encourages more people to take up umpiring and remove the perception of bias for some people would have to be looked at. I have often that though that a couple of times that we've had umpires in junior grades with a connection to the club the usually go the other way in fear of being seen as playing favourites.

[zedman]

Should the league implement a system of neutral umpires for reserve grades based on location,

Say some of the matches of one round consist of:
Colonel Light Gardens vs Lockleys at Home - Kenilworth and Unley Umpires
Unley versus Fitzroy at home - Colonel Light and Mitcham Umpire
Brahma Lodge versus Glenunga at BL - Eastern Park and Para Hill Umpire
Para Hills versus Walkerville at PH - Modbury and Golden Grove Umpires

and so on and so on so that each match has neutral umpires.

however something to consider is that alot of club umpires like to watch their A Grade so now we consider matches close to where the club is playing so

Golden Grove is playing at Plympton - so the Golden Grove B grade Umpire is allocated PHOS Camden game or Mitchell Park game so they can then get to Plymton and watch the A grade.

Lockleys is playing at Colonel Light Gardens - the Lockleys B grade club umpire, umpires Unley, Mirtcham, Kenilworth or Scoth OC B Grade so he can then watch his Lockleys a's close by.

Your Thoughts

very very good idea..i like it

btw demon..are we talking about the same umpire?..the ump doing the kfc b grade hasnt played for kfc as far as i know and i have been there a while..and i dont play b grade..i retired 2 years ago but i see him umpire before the a grade..we have had 2 other b grade umpires who did both play for kfc..one was a legend and the other was a skinny lad with blonde hair..

[Sponge Bob]

He is a life member of the competing club?????

In the opinion of the Captain,under no circumstances should this happen. All it does is set the umpire, umpires coach and the SAAFL umpiring system up for criticism. it should be avoided like the plague

hey maybe have NO umpires and just let the teams fight it out bare knuckles

No there's a sensible answer, any chance you could put a bit more thought into the subject and come up with something constructive?

[Iron Fist]

i have found that on most occasions "our" umpire actually gives us very little..because he doesnt want to be seen as favouring us..he may make bad decisions but they are for both teams..this guy doesnt play and has never played for us..his kid plays in the lower grades..imo the worse umpire is glenunga's infamous man in white

at our club our B grade umpire IMO is the best in the competition for Div 4R
he is unbiased towards both clubs, it can be rather frustrating for our team when thy have there biased umpire giving away frees to them that arent there while we are getting pinned by our own umpire.
If only there were more umpires that gave the frees to both teams and not just there club, it would be alot better

one of the worst is Unleys B's umpire
he is one of those umpires that is effected by what players say
that is the most frustrating as a player!!!

[Demon68]

Zedman, yes he played in 2000/2001 for Kenilworth (when they had those lovely brown and blue strip guernseys).

[zedman]

im not doubting you demon but he must have played c grade and only a handful..i have never seen him play a game for kfc..but i am going to ask him when i see him..btw our guernsey is a lot better now

[Lightning McQueen]

Should the league implement a system of neutral umpires for reserve grades based on location,

Say some of the matches of one round consist of:
Colonel Light Gardens vs Lockleys at Home - Kenilworth and Unley Umpires
Unley versus Fitzroy at home - Colonel Light and Mitcham Umpire
Brahma Lodge versus Glenunga at BL - Eastern Park and Para Hill Umpire
Para Hills versus Walkerville at PH - Modbury and Golden Grove Umpires

and so on and so on so that each match has neutral umpires.

however something to consider is that alot of club umpires like to watch their A Grade so now we consider matches close to where the club is playing so

Golden Grove is playing at Plympton - so the Golden Grove B grade Umpire is allocated PHOS Camden game or Mitchell Park game so they can then get to Plymton and watch the A grade.

Lockleys is playing at Colonel Light Gardens - the Lockleys B grade club umpire, umpires Unley, Mirtcham, Kenilworth or Scoth OC B Grade so he can then watch his Lockleys a's close by.

Your Thoughts

They've toyed with that idea there D68, sounds good in theory, unfortunately, I think most of the umps that are willing to help out would prefer to watch their A's and probably have a bit of beer money to go with it. It does make a lot of sense, the practicality and the extra work that the league would have to do would probably outweigh the worth of it.

I know that I would've preferred to umpire neutral games, as long as they were in close proximity of where my own club were playing.

[Demon68]

Zedman, He played mostly b grade (I dont think they had a c grade when he was playing) with a few A grade games thrown in also in his first year, second year mostly b grade when he was playing.

He wasn't a bad footballer in his day.

[old moz]

Should the league implement a system of neutral umpires for reserve grades based on location,

Say some of the matches of one round consist of:
Colonel Light Gardens vs Lockleys at Home - Kenilworth and Unley Umpires
Unley versus Fitzroy at home - Colonel Light and Mitcham Umpire
Brahma Lodge versus Glenunga at BL - Eastern Park and Para Hill Umpire
Para Hills versus Walkerville at PH - Modbury and Golden Grove Umpires

and so on and so on so that each match has neutral umpires.

however something to consider is that alot of club umpires like to watch their A Grade so now we consider matches close to where the club is playing so

Golden Grove is playing at Plympton - so the Golden Grove B grade Umpire is allocated PHOS Camden game or Mitchell Park game so they can then get to Plymton and watch the A grade.

Lockleys is playing at Colonel Light Gardens - the Lockleys B grade club umpire, umpires Unley, Mirtcham, Kenilworth or Scoth OC B Grade so he can then watch his Lockleys a's close by.

Your Thoughts

great idea, SAAFL should start cavassing clubs now to assess it's chances for next year. that way they can get everything organised [sort of].[[ roughly, seeing how long it takes them to get a program out]]. the club's may have to up their ante a bit to cover the cost of petrol[3.00/ litre next year?] but may stop a lot of frustation/anger at percieved bias by club umpires

[Demon68]

I also think part of the problem is that with club umpires you can have two distinct siffering intepretations from club umpires as not many have regular coaching or direction as the amatuer league umpires do.

At least the amatuer league umpires have training and coaching and therefore have a lcear and consistent direction and most league umpires at the top level are consistent with the interpretations.

Club umpires come out week to week and their interpretations are left to their own opinions and their own minds, and they dont access the directions of the league, perhaps this needs to be looked at by the league, as week to week you just dont know what you are going to get with club umpires.

At least with league umpires, there is a clear direction and the umpires are fairly consistent with this direction.

[w_m]

imo the worse umpire is glenunga's infamous man in white

Agreed! Surely there is a responsibility on the club to do something about it when your umpire just plain doesn't know the rules.

[bucketts]

imo the worse umpire is glenunga's infamous man in white

Agreed! Surely there is a responsibility on the club to do something about it when your umpire just plain doesn't know the rules.

or cheat to help their club out ( because there is a lot of b-grade umpires out there that look after their team )

[Demon68]

Zedman, how was the Kenilworth B Grade umpire on Saturday?

[w_m]

imo the worse umpire is glenunga's infamous man in white

Agreed! Surely there is a responsibility on the club to do something about it when your umpire just plain doesn't know the rules.

or cheat to help their club out ( because there is a lot of b-grade umpires out there that look after their team )

Although it may not be popular opinion, I disagree. The majority of club umpires are able to do the job well and do it fairly. There are always going to be a few shockers and even a few blatant cheats. Provide the opportunity to cheat and you can guarantee that some clown will take it. The trouble is that those few bad eggs give a bad name to all the good club umpires who go out there and try to umpire the game fairly without being biased.

I have seen clubs have no club umpire available and an association umpire 'fill in' for them for the week and they get abused like crazy all day and called a cheat every time they make a call against the opposing side - purely because they are wearing a 'club umpire' hat and too many people just assume that club umpire = cheat.

If people took an unbiased view, I think they might find that many of the club umpires are much better than they are given credit for. Many of them have a formal umpiring qualification and many have been association umpires in the past and no longer have the time to commit to attending training. But the minute they rock up for a B grade game, everyone assumes they are an incompetent, cheating umpire.

There does need to be some sort of process for dealing with those absolute shockers though who do display blatant cheating every week.

[Lightning McQueen]

Although it may not be popular opinion, I disagree. The majority of club umpires are able to do the job well and do it fairly. There are always going to be a few shockers and even a few blatant cheats. Provide the opportunity to cheat and you can guarantee that some clown will take it. The trouble is that those few bad eggs give a bad name to all the good club umpires who go out there and try to umpire the game fairly without being biased.

I have seen clubs have no club umpire available and an association umpire 'fill in' for them for the week and they get abused like crazy all day and called a cheat every time they make a call against the opposing side - purely because they are wearing a 'club umpire' hat and too many people just assume that club umpire = cheat.

If people took an unbiased view, I think they might find that many of the club umpires are much better than they are given credit for. Many of them have a formal umpiring qualification and many have been association umpires in the past and no longer have the time to commit to attending training. But the minute they rock up for a B grade game, everyone assumes they are an incompetent, cheating umpire.

There does need to be some sort of process for dealing with those absolute shockers though who do display blatant cheating every week.[/quote]

Too right, they should be exposed, the majority of the div 5 reserve umpires are around the mark.