SAAFL Div 4 2008

[sand_man]

Sandman perhaps you and your footy club should then relocate to the Gold Coast and become a new AFL franchise that way you wont have to play in the cold wet conditions that your club hates so much. Dry your eyes Sand Man its a winter sport from time to time its going to be cold wet and windy. Me thinks there is a bigger problem here, princesses have never liked it when the heat is on and the pressure intensifies with more body contact, instead of talking about skills sandyman perhaps its your hearts that go missing.

Newman hardness was not a problem. we were going in and getting the ball we just stuffed around to much with it. It was a sloppy game that doesnt suit our superior skills

[sand_man]

Just to let you know felch because you cant seem to get over it after reading what you wrote in the div three thread. I am not using the weather as an excuse for losing i am using it as a reason. It is something we need to improve on. All as i was saying was the weather brought us down to a level that unskillfull players enjoy.

i sort of understand what u r saying sand man
but really if u r a skillful player when it rains your skill level lowers
that is the same for someone who isnt that skillful to start with, they become worse again!!
so really a skillful side will still be better then a normal side in both wet and dry
the speed of the game will be the major change to the game!!
meaning the team that wants the ball more and is willing to go get it will be the better side!

Yes in contests on wet days the ball nearly always hits the ground. we train to go front and centre but then it gos behind the packs, Its a totally different game that we didnt adapt to well at all. As for skills being better still i dont agree with you on that. The game brings the players that mark with there hands down to the skill of players that can only mark on the chest. The kicking travels less and is very slippery of the boot its a condition that both teams have to deal with. Long story short not being able to kick long and strong and mark in the hands makes the game into that of a ground game and its all about stoppages and crumbing rather then a free flowing game where we can mark play on handball run kick, which is our style of football.

I never said skills will be better
u r miss reading what was said
if u were to compare two players, one with better skills then the other
on a dry day the better player would win a contest
it is the same on a wet day,
all players must play in the same conditions whatever the weather will be
so really the better player will always come out with the ball, rain, hail or shine
as i said in my last post, wet weather will come down to who wants to put there head over the ball and get it!!
for saying u play front and centre but on wet days it goes over the back
anyone that has played for a few years knows this and it should be something that the player adapts to immediately, if not it should be something the coach says to u before a game!!!

i think it has been proven that in both types of weather u guys are very beatable sand man!!

ok iron fist i have not misread a thing you have said.
On a dry day a player that can take the high grab will win the contest.
On a wet day the ball will hit the ground and the crummer has a chance to get the ball.
with saying that the wet weather gives the less skillfull player alot more of a chance.
With the unskillfull player Having maybe 10 per cent of a chance to beat the player on dry day when its wet his chances increase to a 50/50 chance.
As for us being beatable i can accept that at this time of the year, just wait untill finals time to see if you will be saying the same thing

[Newman]

Well obviously your so called superior skills went missing, bit like your entire footy team when the going gets tough.

[Iron Fist]

wet weather gives everyone that is willing to go in and get the ball a chance
if the so called skillful players wont go and get it and expect for it to be deleivered out in front of them
then they are lazy footballers, anyone can do that
a skillful footballer is someone that can get the ball in both wet and dry footy
not someone that can only play one style of footy
which according to u is free flowing dry football!!!

[sand_man]

wet weather gives everyone that is willing to go in and get the ball a chance
if the so called skillful players wont go and get it and expect for it to be deleivered out in front of them
then they are lazy footballers, anyone can do that
a skillful footballer is someone that can get the ball in both wet and dry footy
not someone that can only play one style of footy
which according to u is free flowing dry football!!!

your getting mixed up with players that give second and third efforts and players that get the ball first time. i know who id rather on my side iron fist. We have a side of clean footballers, im sorry the wet brings us down to the level of 2nd and 3rd efforts that at your level you class as skill.

[sand_man]

Well obviously your so called superior skills went missing, bit like your entire footy team when the going gets tough.

newman what side are you from?

[mr.moody]

While I might agree with some of sandman's comments (particularly that wet weather footy shortens the divide between good and not so good teams), the fact is that CBC were the better team on the day. It didn't help that we were missing a bunch of players from the A-grade but given the apparent depth at the club this year we should have been able to fill those gaps. Let me state that I don't agree with a lot of what sandman says (and strongly doubt he is actually involved in any significant way at PAOC).

[Bradman]

Well obviously your so called superior skills went missing, bit like your entire footy team when the going gets tough.

newman what side are you from?

The "Dark Side" or the "Jedi"?

[sand_man]

While I might agree with some of sandman's comments (particularly that wet weather footy shortens the divide between good and not so good teams), the fact is that CBC were the better team on the day. It didn't help that we were missing a bunch of players from the A-grade but given the apparent depth at the club this year we should have been able to fill those gaps. Let me state that I don't agree with a lot of what sandman says (and strongly doubt he is actually involved in any significant way at PAOC).

As for being "soft college princesses", that's just absolute cr@p Newman. I can tell you that both Pooraka and Portland came and hit the body hard against our B-grade (who aren't exactly a big blokes) and look at the scores in those matches:

PAOCFC 18.18 126 Pooraka 3.4 22
PAOCFC 14.11 95 Portland 5.5 35

doesn't exactly back-up your theory does it? The A-grade has obviously not played to their potential the last couple of weeks, but that happens to all teams at times, it doesn't mean they've gone missing 'cos the "going has got tough".

Who are you to say im not involved in the club. i come on here and have been a bit bitter because us paoc boys havent said a word and before we had had a loss everyone was saying yeh but they are soft they are girls blah blah. i am defending our side and they dont like getting proven wrong. Newman is a pussy cat he wont even say where hes from yet he doesnt mind bagging our club.

[Iron Fist]

While I might agree with some of sandman's comments (particularly that wet weather footy shortens the divide between good and not so good teams), the fact is that CBC were the better team on the day. It didn't help that we were missing a bunch of players from the A-grade but given the apparent depth at the club this year we should have been able to fill those gaps. Let me state that I don't agree with a lot of what sandman says (and strongly doubt he is actually involved in any significant way at PAOC).

As for being "soft college princesses", that's just absolute cr@p Newman. I can tell you that both Pooraka and Portland came and hit the body hard against our B-grade (who aren't exactly a big blokes) and look at the scores in those matches:

PAOCFC 18.18 126 Pooraka 3.4 22
PAOCFC 14.11 95 Portland 5.5 35

doesn't exactly back-up your theory does it? The A-grade has obviously not played to their potential the last couple of weeks, but that happens to all teams at times, it doesn't mean they've gone missing 'cos the "going has got tough".

Who are you to say im not involved in the club. i come on here and have been a bit bitter because us paoc boys havent said a word and before we had had a loss everyone was saying yeh but they are soft they are girls blah blah. i am defending our side and they dont like getting proven wrong. Newman is a pussy cat he wont even say where hes from yet he doesnt mind bagging our club.

newman is definately not soft sand man
would teach u a thing or two!!!!

[Iron Fist]

While I might agree with some of sandman's comments (particularly that wet weather footy shortens the divide between good and not so good teams), the fact is that CBC were the better team on the day. It didn't help that we were missing a bunch of players from the A-grade but given the apparent depth at the club this year we should have been able to fill those gaps. Let me state that I don't agree with a lot of what sandman says (and strongly doubt he is actually involved in any significant way at PAOC).

As for being "soft college princesses", that's just absolute cr@p Newman. I can tell you that both Pooraka and Portland came and hit the body hard against our B-grade (who aren't exactly a big blokes) and look at the scores in those matches:

PAOCFC 18.18 126 Pooraka 3.4 22
PAOCFC 14.11 95 Portland 5.5 35

doesn't exactly back-up your theory does it? The A-grade has obviously not played to their potential the last couple of weeks, but that happens to all teams at times, it doesn't mean they've gone missing 'cos the "going has got tough".

so your b grade can hold up to some physical contact
y cant your A's???
we all know u have a quality B grade side!!!
and also i would say u have some pretty big bodies in the B's
bigger then most other B grade sides in div 4!

[mr.moody]

ha ha, here we go again on the soft rubbish. My bet is that Newman's weak as piss on the field and probably just snipes. There's a world of difference between a thug and someone who's tough.

But then I'd gladly be proven wrong. There are too many thugs parading around thinking they're tough in amateur league, but when it comes down to the crunch they're too scared to put their head over it and swing cheap shots or lift their elbows instead

[sand_man]

While I might agree with some of sandman's comments (particularly that wet weather footy shortens the divide between good and not so good teams), the fact is that CBC were the better team on the day. It didn't help that we were missing a bunch of players from the A-grade but given the apparent depth at the club this year we should have been able to fill those gaps. Let me state that I don't agree with a lot of what sandman says (and strongly doubt he is actually involved in any significant way at PAOC).

As for being "soft college princesses", that's just absolute cr@p Newman. I can tell you that both Pooraka and Portland came and hit the body hard against our B-grade (who aren't exactly a big blokes) and look at the scores in those matches:

PAOCFC 18.18 126 Pooraka 3.4 22
PAOCFC 14.11 95 Portland 5.5 35

doesn't exactly back-up your theory does it? The A-grade has obviously not played to their potential the last couple of weeks, but that happens to all teams at times, it doesn't mean they've gone missing 'cos the "going has got tough".

Who are you to say im not involved in the club. i come on here and have been a bit bitter because us paoc boys havent said a word and before we had had a loss everyone was saying yeh but they are soft they are girls blah blah. i am defending our side and they dont like getting proven wrong. Newman is a pussy cat he wont even say where hes from yet he doesnt mind bagging our club.

newman is definately not soft sand man
would teach u a thing or two!!!!

I find that very hard to believe iron fist, you will to when we play again. newmans cowardly comments dont resemble someone that has any heart. he seems much more likely to be a fat man sitting on the fence eating pies bagging the players on the field who he admires and wants to be deep down inside.

[mr.moody]

While I might agree with some of sandman's comments (particularly that wet weather footy shortens the divide between good and not so good teams), the fact is that CBC were the better team on the day. It didn't help that we were missing a bunch of players from the A-grade but given the apparent depth at the club this year we should have been able to fill those gaps. Let me state that I don't agree with a lot of what sandman says (and strongly doubt he is actually involved in any significant way at PAOC).

As for being "soft college princesses", that's just absolute cr@p Newman. I can tell you that both Pooraka and Portland came and hit the body hard against our B-grade (who aren't exactly a big blokes) and look at the scores in those matches:

PAOCFC 18.18 126 Pooraka 3.4 22
PAOCFC 14.11 95 Portland 5.5 35

doesn't exactly back-up your theory does it? The A-grade has obviously not played to their potential the last couple of weeks, but that happens to all teams at times, it doesn't mean they've gone missing 'cos the "going has got tough".

so your b grade can hold up to some physical contact
y cant your A's???
we all know u have a quality B grade side!!!
and also i would say u have some pretty big bodies in the B's
bigger then most other B grade sides in div 4!

who said our A's can't? they held up to three and half quaters of it from portland only to switch off mentally in the last ten minutes. Don't get me wrong, portland deserved to win that game (they played 4 whole quarters and we didn't) but our boys didn't lose because it was tough. As for the weekend, we just got outplayed, definately not outbodied (remember CBCOC are a "soft college" team too supposedly)

I'll admit our b's are quite tall, but not exactly big, they're all pretty skinny

[sand_man]

ha ha, here we go again on the soft rubbish. My bet is that Newman's weak as piss on the field and probably just snipes. There's a world of difference between a thug and someone who's tough.

But then I'd gladly be proven wrong. There are too many thugs parading around thinking they're tough in amateur league, but when it comes down to the crunch they're too scared to put their head over it and swing cheap shots or lift their elbows instead

yes 100% correct.
bragging that you have a champion boxer in your side to make a claim you are hard is a perfect example. theres a difference between being a sniper and going for the ball Newman.

[Newman]

How right you are sandalman. Your perception on footy and of the individual is outstanding. Bravo Sandalman, bravo.

[mr.moody]

You might want to change your team name before referring to port adelaide people as feral. It makes you look like a bit of a wank, but what the hell you are doing a fantastic job of that anyway.

fair call...not all PAOC people think the same way as sandman might I add

[sand_man]

You might want to change your team name before referring to port adelaide people as feral. It makes you look like a bit of a wank, but what the hell you are doing a fantastic job of that anyway.

fair call...not all PAOC people think the same way as sandman might I add

but i believe a large chunck of people from paoc do think the same. i dont go for port adelaide as in the magpies i go for the power. my sanfl team has always been the roosters or any side that gos agains the magpies. why do i go for the power then you ask. thats because my favourite players have ended up playing for there side.

[Felch]

Mr Moody, you sound reasonable and intelligent, and make some valid points. Plus, you are the second PAOC bloke who has distanced themselves from Sandman...hmmm...funny that...

If you go back through my comments, i never said you were soft, and definately not your B grade. They gave us a footy lesson, inparticular how to run hard and use the footy. There is some big bodies in your reserve side, #20 is a giant - not very smart though, he kicked 50 metres the wrong way against us !!! Mind you, we still couldnt get a goal from it !!! We know now what the benchmark is in the reserves, and are along way off it. Dont lose sight of the fact though what the reserves is there for - for players who dont/cant make the A grade, and to pressure on the A grade. Ive seen far too many clubs get wrapped up in having a good B grade - players start 'tanking' in the A grade to make sure they play in the ressies. Im not saying that is happening at your club, but its especially a problem with guys who are fringe A graders. And these are the blokes who you need, when you get injuries and players out. You live and die by your A grade - simple as that.

I can vouch for Newmans credentials by the way - he has played as much footy against PAOC as anyone on here, and at a very high standard.

[sand_man]

Mr Moody, you sound reasonable and intelligent, and make some valid points. Plus, you are the second PAOC bloke who has distanced themselves from Sandman...hmmm...funny that...

If you go back through my comments, i never said you were soft, and definately not your B grade. They gave us a footy lesson, inparticular how to run hard and use the footy. There is some big bodies in your reserve side, #20 is a giant - not very smart though, he kicked 50 metres the wrong way against us !!! Mind you, we still couldnt get a goal from it !!! We know now what the benchmark is in the reserves, and are along way off it. Dont lose sight of the fact though what the reserves is there for - for players who dont/cant make the A grade, and to pressure on the A grade. Ive seen far too many clubs get wrapped up in having a good B grade - players start 'tanking' in the A grade to make sure they play in the ressies. Im not saying that is happening at your club, but its especially a problem with guys who are fringe A graders. And these are the blokes who you need, when you get injuries and players out. You live and die by your A grade - simple as that.

I can vouch for Newmans credentials by the way - he has played as much footy against PAOC as anyone on here, and at a very high standard.

ooo long time no see felch Oh no they have distanced themselves from me, i dont really care. as for your opinion on newman i cant really have any respect for that as your opinion on wet weather footy making players more skillfull has killed all credibility.