SAAFL - Coaching Moves. Reappointments/Resignations. Tell us

[Blacks130]

Ha ha, not directly paid, I'll accept that. It goes through an envelope first. I've heard both sets of stories, but as I said, a lot of the people who say uni don't pay wouldn't have a clue. I daresay our C grade coach from last year who has been around the club his whole life wouldn't have a clue what money was being paid, only 3 or 4 people would.

The fact remains that A grade players at Uni have admitted being paid. I'll believe them rather than the masses who wouldn't know.

I actually logged on to advise finn to leave the argument alone but you've inspired me to come in on the scene. Andy, what facts are there registerd to suggest any player has been payed to play at Uni through an envelope or otherwise. Unless you're going to say who those players are you're ridiculous claims just go into the recycle bin. I like finn have been involved at the Blacks for nearly 20 years as an A grade premiership player, an active committee member and if you can produce the names of those who claim to have been paid I will come on this forum with my identity exposed and debate the merits of those claims and if you can't then shut the *&%$ up, you're only promoting your red neck ignorance.

Mate, we all make decsions based on the information available to us. I can't help what I've heard, and can only judge the credibility of each piece of information I have to decide on my opinion. Denials on here, while passionate don't rank highly on my scale of credibility. Of course you were going to say what you did, and of course I was never going to name people as it would be unfair to bring them unwittingly into this, and would also put them in a precarious position.

I can hardly see how a claim that a div 1 team pays players is ridiculous. While I accept that cash may not be handed over at the end of a game, I include job offers, increased salaries and fees being paid as payment.

As I said before, I am only going off what I have been told. I may be incorrect and as a committee member I'm sure you would know what is going on. However, you can't abuse someone for posting a view which is entirely possible. Maybe your ship is a tad leaky.

I'm not abusing anyone Andy, you made a claim and I counter claimed, possibly with a tad more emotion than necessary however this issue is at the very core of our club ethos in having the type of people play for our club for the very honor of it and not motivated by any vested interest. You can't with any real credence place life networking and player payment in the same categorey. Recognising opportunities are a very real part of anyones success and if an individual recognises that he/she will have a greater chance of finding security in mixing in a chosen group whether that be the Kilburn FC or Adelaide Uni FC then more power to them and they will enjoy the fruits of those decisions.

[Andy #24]

Fair enough mate, that's a very desirable ideal. Are some deals done though which are a bit more than networking though?

I'm not into Uni bashing but as amateur sport becomes more professional ideals become hard to maintain. Maybe Uni will have to look at the way it recruits players if it wants to be a force in div 1 again. Everyone is expecting a surge in pride to carry them back up to div 1, but is anything happening to ensure that 2007 does not happen again?

A classmate told me that you had a lot of young guys given some experience and that they should improve a lot this year. Is Alessi back too? He showed his iron will by refusing my drunken offer to come to Kilburn!

[finn]

Fair enough mate, that's a very desirable ideal. Are some deals done though which are a bit more than networking though?

I'm not into Uni bashing but as amateur sport becomes more professional ideals become hard to maintain. Maybe Uni will have to look at the way it recruits players if it wants to be a force in div 1 again. Everyone is expecting a surge in pride to carry them back up to div 1, but is anything happening to ensure that 2007 does not happen again?

A classmate told me that you had a lot of young guys given some experience and that they should improve a lot this year. Is Alessi back too? He showed his iron will by refusing my drunken offer to come to Kilburn!

Alesci is back but coming back from an acl always takes a while to get back into the swing of things. There were a lot of youngsters given gametime last year and pretty much all have returned - and we'll see what happens with those still training at various league clubs once squads are finalised.
There has been much discussion regarding how to keep and attract players - not having money means that the club really has to stress the social aspect of the club and its other qualities. Only time will tell whether this is the right path but I believe that this stress actually helps rather than hinders the ability of a coach to pull a team (not side) together.

[The Ash Man]

Fair enough mate, that's a very desirable ideal. Are some deals done though which are a bit more than networking though?

I'm not into Uni bashing but as amateur sport becomes more professional ideals become hard to maintain. Maybe Uni will have to look at the way it recruits players if it wants to be a force in div 1 again. Everyone is expecting a surge in pride to carry them back up to div 1, but is anything happening to ensure that 2007 does not happen again?

A classmate told me that you had a lot of young guys given some experience and that they should improve a lot this year. Is Alessi back too? He showed his iron will by refusing my drunken offer to come to Kilburn!

Alesci is back but coming back from an acl always takes a while to get back into the swing of things. There were a lot of youngsters given gametime last year and pretty much all have returned - and we'll see what happens with those still training at various league clubs once squads are finalised.
There has been much discussion regarding how to keep and attract players - not having money means that the club really has to stress the social aspect of the club and its other qualities. Only time will tell whether this is the right path but I believe that this stress actually helps rather than hinders the ability of a coach to pull a team (not side) together.

Its good to see u boys are playing nicely again
What other qualities are u referring to finn?

[finn]

Fair enough mate, that's a very desirable ideal. Are some deals done though which are a bit more than networking though?

I'm not into Uni bashing but as amateur sport becomes more professional ideals become hard to maintain. Maybe Uni will have to look at the way it recruits players if it wants to be a force in div 1 again. Everyone is expecting a surge in pride to carry them back up to div 1, but is anything happening to ensure that 2007 does not happen again?

A classmate told me that you had a lot of young guys given some experience and that they should improve a lot this year. Is Alessi back too? He showed his iron will by refusing my drunken offer to come to Kilburn!

Alesci is back but coming back from an acl always takes a while to get back into the swing of things. There were a lot of youngsters given gametime last year and pretty much all have returned - and we'll see what happens with those still training at various league clubs once squads are finalised.
There has been much discussion regarding how to keep and attract players - not having money means that the club really has to stress the social aspect of the club and its other qualities. Only time will tell whether this is the right path but I believe that this stress actually helps rather than hinders the ability of a coach to pull a team (not side) together.

Its good to see u boys are playing nicely again
What other qualities are u referring to finn?

good question. here goes...

the ability to play intervarsity (part of the national university games) in other words a week long trip to a selected city with approximately 1-3000 young people going a bit silly.

i don't think that one can underestimate the drawing power of knowing that everybody there is about the same age with similar social interests. this allied with the supposed esoteric nature of the club + its centrality of location for training and home matches means that people can easily attend both and have fun doing so.

there's also the opportunity to meet people doing similar courses and thus get some academic help if required.

there's also a level for the beginner all the way through to the serious footballer meaning that those who wish to play but can't due to numbers at other clubs can actually get a game. they be flogged but often football is about the kick and catch.

a background for networking both personal and professional.

there's some just of the top of me noggin.

[The Ash Man]

Fair enough mate, that's a very desirable ideal. Are some deals done though which are a bit more than networking though?

I'm not into Uni bashing but as amateur sport becomes more professional ideals become hard to maintain. Maybe Uni will have to look at the way it recruits players if it wants to be a force in div 1 again. Everyone is expecting a surge in pride to carry them back up to div 1, but is anything happening to ensure that 2007 does not happen again?

A classmate told me that you had a lot of young guys given some experience and that they should improve a lot this year. Is Alessi back too? He showed his iron will by refusing my drunken offer to come to Kilburn!

Alesci is back but coming back from an acl always takes a while to get back into the swing of things. There were a lot of youngsters given gametime last year and pretty much all have returned - and we'll see what happens with those still training at various league clubs once squads are finalised.
There has been much discussion regarding how to keep and attract players - not having money means that the club really has to stress the social aspect of the club and its other qualities. Only time will tell whether this is the right path but I believe that this stress actually helps rather than hinders the ability of a coach to pull a team (not side) together.

Its good to see u boys are playing nicely again
What other qualities are u referring to finn?

good question. here goes...

the ability to play intervarsity (part of the national university games) in other words a week long trip to a selected city with approximately 1-3000 young people going a bit silly.

i don't think that one can underestimate the drawing power of knowing that everybody there is about the same age with similar social interests. this allied with the supposed esoteric nature of the club + its centrality of location for training and home matches means that people can easily attend both and have fun doing so.

there's also the opportunity to meet people doing similar courses and thus get some academic help if required.

there's also a level for the beginner all the way through to the serious footballer meaning that those who wish to play but can't due to numbers at other clubs can actually get a game. they be flogged but often football is about the kick and catch.

a background for networking both personal and professional.

there's some just of the top of me noggin.

Well said, u sold me!!
How do u go for sponsorship?
with the amount of "professionals" in your club I would think that getting sponsors would not be an issue?

[zedman]

few of my mates that played intervarsity told me of the swim thru it is, not really highy regarded by anyone except those that play in it..now i cant quite remember..but i think he had to pay his own way as well to sydney..finn maybe able to confirm, i may be wrong there..they said the best thing about it was the female teams competing in their sports.. obviously ..but as such, i doubt the drawing power of it to attract quality players to uni just so they can play intervarsity

[Andy #24]

I would have thought one of the most appealing things about Uni is being able to play in the most successful div 1 club ever. This loses a lot of appeal when the club is in div 2 though. All the reasons finn mentioned are valid and I'm sure do contribute to the loads of numbers that Uni has. I'm just not so sure if they would appeal to the top end footballers that a div 1 club needs.

[Blacks130]

I would have thought one of the most appealing things about Uni is being able to play in the most successful div 1 club ever. This loses a lot of appeal when the club is in div 2 though. All the reasons finn mentioned are valid and I'm sure do contribute to the loads of numbers that Uni has. I'm just not so sure if they would appeal to the top end footballers that a div 1 club needs.

I suppose if one of the mods want us to get back to the original discussion they will.
Yours is a fair question Andy but I'll reply with another perspective. The longevity of a players service at our club is probably half of that of a traditional suburban club because our blokes priorities probably have football last on their list or he takes off to explore the world or moves interstate post graduation. Don't forget whilst football is not on their agenda he may still be an extremely talented footballer that may come to our club for a 3 or 4 year period. Knowing that he has to make the most of his Uni days before he has to make his own way, our club offers an extremely comfortable environment to pack every thing in. We don't get upset when a player/s decide to go skiing or back to the farm for vintage or whatever else. If a paying suburban club had that I would imagine they'd want a good bang for their buck.
Not sure if I've demonstrated that sufficiently but you may get the general idea

[finn]

few of my mates that played intervarsity told me of the swim thru it is, not really highy regarded by anyone except those that play in it..now i cant quite remember..but i think he had to pay his own way as well to sydney..finn maybe able to confirm, i may be wrong there..they said the best thing about it was the female teams competing in their sports.. obviously ..but as such, i doubt the drawing power of it to attract quality players to uni just so they can play intervarsity

yes, the players pay their own way but doesn't this then say something about the players involved? who wouldn't also be interested in 750-1500 20 something year old lasses going silly for a week?
last years B&F in div 1 came to uni (from another saafl club) after playing in an IV. it's less about an attraction but more about showcasing the social aspect of university that is so important to recruiting players. IV gets them interested then the other aspects add further appeal and then the aspects that bn130 stated also kick in. I believe that a strong amateur league needs a diversity of teams across all of adelaide rather than just northern and western teams and that this range of sides helps all clubs attract players.

[zedman]

"yes, the players pay their own way but doesn't this then say something about the players involved?"

that they mainly come from a well to do social demographic? and have ample spare cash even tho they may be uni students??..i thought uni students had no $$ )

uni is a great club..legendary in fact, but you are slightly elitist and should be considered in the same bracket as the rich old scholar college teams..just my opinion..not slagging anyone..just my thoughts..and i hope you get asses back into a1 fast

[finn]

"yes, the players pay their own way but doesn't this then say something about the players involved?"

that they mainly come from a well to do social demographic? and have ample spare cash even tho they may be uni students??..i thought uni students had no $$ )

uni is a great club..legendary in fact, but you are slightly elitist and should be considered in the same bracket as the rich old scholar college teams..just my opinion..not slagging anyone..just my thoughts..and i hope you get asses back into a1 fast

i hope so as well.

i know the guys that played IV from the c1 team had been squirrelling their money away all year for the IV trip. the good thing about uni, and a large point of difference between us and the scholar sides, is the fact that uni has many a country lad playing while they're studying (many more commute weekly back home to play) which means that there's always an influx of down to earth folk who won't put up with too much hoi polloi crap.

cheers and good luck to all in 08 (unless of course you're playing in any of the uni grades in which case i hope you do well personally but the blacks collect the silverware)