odi best of 3 aust v india games 1,2 & 3 finals

[BUZZ]

Would the score card have been different if 3 top order batsman wern't playing due to their form, anyone else appart from the
retiring keeper/batsman, the current captain the the so called captain in waiting would have been dropped weeks ago due to poor performances over the 13 or so games, too drop them for who? Anyone, we have alot of talent in waiting surely........

[GWW]

On form, the only one who could possibly be dropped was Ponting (but obviously wasn't going to happen because of his standing in the game, the fact that hes a captain, and basically was the best batsman in the world 6 months ago). Gilchrist made a ton about 3 games ago, and Clarke, well i think hes been the best Australian batsman overall in the whole tournament.

[rod_rooster]

Would the score card have been different if 3 top order batsman wern't playing due to their form, anyone else appart from the
retiring keeper/batsman, the current captain the the so called captain in waiting would have been dropped weeks ago due to poor performances over the 13 or so games, too drop them for who? Anyone, we have alot of talent in waiting surely........

Might want to go back and review Michael Clarke's performances over the whole series and particularly take into acount the situation he made a lot of his runs in. As for dropping Ponting, my god people have short memories. Lets not turn into England and go through 30 different players a year. The guy is a champion and form is temporary but class is permanent. Also did Gilly make a ton in a game that no other batsmen did much or was i dreaming that?

[rod_rooster]

Seriously there is some over reaction going on at the minute. In another thread last week discussing the Alan Border Medal it was mentioned by a couple of people that they had completely forgotten that England won the one day series last year. Why? Because it's meaningless that's why. Where have England gone since then? Has Australia achieved anything significant since then

From what i can tell a lot of the posters on here would drop a number of experienced players just because they are over 30. Unfortunately the level of performance that they have produced i the past makes people expect that level all the time but it is not achievable. The players playing on the whole are still the most capable and best players in the country. No group of youngsters is going to produce an equal or better result.

[BUZZ]

Would the score card have been different if 3 top order batsman wern't playing due to their form, anyone else appart from the
retiring keeper/batsman, the current captain the the so called captain in waiting would have been dropped weeks ago due to poor performances over the 13 or so games, too drop them for who? Anyone, we have alot of talent in waiting surely........

Might want to go back and review Michael Clarke's performances over the whole series and particularly take into acount the situation he made a lot of his runs in. As for dropping Ponting, my god people have short memories. Lets not turn into England and go through 30 different players a year. The guy is a champion and form is temporary but class is permanent. Also did Gilly make a ton in a game that no other batsmen did much or was i dreaming that?[/quote
So we will go on for the next 5 or 10 years with ageing players who are out of form and not making runs, their JOB mind you, just because of past achievements, Gilly made a ton, 3 weeks ago, Michael Clarke did what he had to do as he should, and Ponting needs a rest or a reallity check

[rod_rooster]

Would the score card have been different if 3 top order batsman wern't playing due to their form, anyone else appart from the
retiring keeper/batsman, the current captain the the so called captain in waiting would have been dropped weeks ago due to poor performances over the 13 or so games, too drop them for who? Anyone, we have alot of talent in waiting surely........

Might want to go back and review Michael Clarke's performances over the whole series and particularly take into acount the situation he made a lot of his runs in. As for dropping Ponting, my god people have short memories. Lets not turn into England and go through 30 different players a year. The guy is a champion and form is temporary but class is permanent. Also did Gilly make a ton in a game that no other batsmen did much or was i dreaming that?

So we will go on for the next 5 or 10 years with ageing players who are out of form and not making runs, their JOB mind you, just because of past achievements, Gilly made a ton, 3 weeks ago, Michael Clarke did what he had to do as he should, and Ponting needs a rest or a reallity check

So why would you suggest dropping him?

[Hondo]

From what i can tell a lot of the posters on here would drop a number of experienced players just because they are over 30. Unfortunately the level of performance that they have produced i the past makes people expect that level all the time but it is not achievable. The players playing on the whole are still the most capable and best players in the country. No group of youngsters is going to produce an equal or better result.

I agree with you Rod

I listed the ages to support my argument (maybe a Capt Obvious one) that there's a power-shift going on. While India is playing talented young kids, most of our options seem to be 30 or over. That doesn't mean we shouldn't play them (ie, drop them) - you can only use the playing list as it presents itself and no point cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Having said that, I think the selectors need to start balancing the desire for the short-term on-field success we have all got used to, against the need to ensure that in 5 years time we can field a competitive side. In fact, I am sure they are already doing this. But, if they are, its not showing in the team selection. Maybe its time to totally abandon the fringe players like (for example) Katich and Hodge who are 33 and instead blood some 25 year olds if there's a one-off available spot.

David Hussey is in the middle at age 31 and, as someone said (maybe you ) he could go on for 5 years. But if he doesn't get a gig in the next 12 months then I ask the question are we better off blooding someone younger so we can start to build the team that will be on the park in 2015. A young player could do a lot worse than play with the likes of Ponting and Hussey to learn his trade at test level.

Do these younger test players exist? I'd be interested in the thoughts of Pup or REB or you Rod as I am not as close to the Pura Cup players.

[Punk Rooster]

CA is guilty of not developing young talent (imo).
They've been happy to collect the eggs from the golden goose, without addressing the fact taht the goose is on it's last legs...

[rod_rooster]

From what i can tell a lot of the posters on here would drop a number of experienced players just because they are over 30. Unfortunately the level of performance that they have produced i the past makes people expect that level all the time but it is not achievable. The players playing on the whole are still the most capable and best players in the country. No group of youngsters is going to produce an equal or better result.

I agree with you Rod

I listed the ages to support my argument (maybe a Capt Obvious one) that there's a power-shift going on. While India is playing talented young kids, most of our options seem to be 30 or over. That doesn't mean we shouldn't play them (ie, drop them) - you can only use the playing list as it presents itself and no point cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Having said that, I think the selectors need to start balancing the desire for the short-term on-field success we have all got used to, against the need to ensure that in 5 years time we can field a competitive side. In fact, I am sure they are already doing this. But, if they are, its not showing in the team selection. Maybe its time to totally abandon the fringe players like (for example) Katich and Hodge who are 33 and instead blood some 25 year olds if there's a one-off available spot.

David Hussey is in the middle at age 31 and, as someone said (maybe you ) he could go on for 5 years. But if he doesn't get a gig in the next 12 months then I ask the question are we better off blooding someone younger so we can start to build the team that will be on the park in 2015. A young player could do a lot worse than play with the likes of Ponting and Hussey to learn his trade at test level.

Do these younger test players exist? I'd be interested in the thoughts of Pup or REB or you Rod as I am not as close to the Pura Cup players.

There are a number of talented batsmen aroung the place. These guys need more time in Shield cricket before they are ready though. In the meantime guys like D. Hussey should be given the chance as he is more than ready. The batting going forward is not of too much concern IMHO. The problem we will have going forward is the bowling particularly spin bowling. There are simply no spin bowlers (with the exception of MacGill) who are up to international standard. As i said earlier the fact that the names of Cullen and Hauritz are being mentioned just goes to show how thin Australia spin bowling options are.

[Pup]

Would the score card have been different if 3 top order batsman wern't playing due to their form, anyone else appart from the
retiring keeper/batsman, the current captain the the so called captain in waiting would have been dropped weeks ago due to poor performances over the 13 or so games, too drop them for who? Anyone, we have alot of talent in waiting surely........

I have been away from the computer in the last couple of days and i am glad.

Yep

Good to see you watched the cricket this summer?? Michael Clarke was in the top 5 run scorers for the tournament before the finals and was leading the totals for Australia. Once again people over react when we lose a couple of games. Get a grip and do some research or watch some cricket before you start calling for heads.

[locky801]

We have been Number 1 for a long long time, like everything can't stay there forever (Centrals will find that out in 10 years), yes the changing of the guard is here but the Aussies will still be very very competetive and lets be honest here India have some very talented cricketers and young at that in their side, I say well done to them, took on the best and won and in the end won well. As I said in another post, makes for some great cricket in the years to come

[Pup]

Do these younger test players exist? I'd be interested in the thoughts of Pup or REB or you Rod as I am not as close to the Pura Cup players.

It is an interesting question Hondo.

I agree with Rod that most of them certainly need a little more time but if these spots were up for grabs in 8-12 months then i certainly think some of these younger players could fill a test spot and do pretty well. The problem is we dont want them compared to the likes of Ponting, Clarke, Hayden, Gilly, Langer which is inevitable. The younger brigade that is going to lead us into the next 10 years needs a chance to make their own path, they need time and that is the problem with a lot of posters on this site, they have been so spoilt in the last 10 years with success that failures in the short term that lead to a better future are not tolerated.

Back onto the initial question. In the top 13 batsmen in the pura cup for 2007/8 there are only 7 over 30, Katich, David Hussey (Just 31), Di Venuto, Dan Marsh, Chris Rogers , Ashley Noffke (Only 30) and JL who has retired anyway so really only 5 (Including Di Venutos retirement as well.) Then there is the younger players who have been quite successful and IMO most could be blooded around Ponting, Clarke and Co and still be successful. You have George Bailey from Tas (25), Luke Pomersbach from WA (23) who is a brilliant player, Marsh from WA (24) who is another bright prospect, Voges also from WA (28) but he probably needs to perform really well otherwise will be over taken in the longer format by his 2 teammates. You then have Travis Birt (26) from Tas and James Hopes (29) from Queensland who could also be considered if needed. I certainly dont think there is a shortage in young talent in this country as everybody else thinks. You then have blokes such as Tim Paine (23) who averaged 42 for Tasmania since regaining his spot, Phillip Hughes (19) from NSW who has scored more runs than Jaques did in the same amount of hits this year (Both for NSW) so make no mistake there is some good "Kids" out there, it is just up to the selectors which way they want to go.

[the wonder elephant]

i think george bailey and shaun marsh would be the 2 to look at over the next few years if a batting spot comes up being on the right side of 30 .i would also like to see the aussie selectors give a young spinner a go and leave him there 4 an extended period to devolop just remember it took warnie a few test to find his place so get cullen bailey in there and let him devolop the guy can hold a bat as well .let him have a chance to find his feet !!!