Salary Cap Investigations

[jo172]

https://essendondfl.com.au/keilor-fc-player-payments-disciplinary-committee-hearing/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3Kh3dTIGSc44HbvfMTBcyRsybyMX-nc-GX0WDCNtJegKqMfX0D4FiUHz0_aem_Z9ExzN_vKtKHFUOlv535uw

Keilor FC Player Payments Disciplinary Committee Hearing

Tuesday, February 25th, 2025 at 10:09pm
League Statement
The EDFL wishes to advise of the outcome of Keilor FC's Player Payments Disciplinary Committee Hearing.

A Player Payment Disciplinary Committee, appointed pursuant to the EDFL Player Payment Rules, heard charges laid against Keilor FC arising from reports made by an Integrity Officer.

The Committee found the Club in breach of the Player Payment Rules:

- by exceeding the Allowable Player Payment limit of $100,000 by a total amount of $605 in the 2022 season; and

- by exceeding the Allowable Player Payment limit of $110,000 by a total amount of $45,100 in the 2023 season.

The Committee imposed the following sanctions:

1. Keilor FC will forfeit the 2023 Senior Men’s Premier Division premiership.

2. Keilor FC's Allowable Player Payments limit will be reduced by 15 per cent for each of the 2025, 2026 and 2027 football seasons.

3. Keilor FC is fined $50,000, with $20,000 of the $50,000 suspended pending compliance by Keilor FC with the EDFL Player Payment Rules for the 2025, 2026 and 2027 football seasons.

4. Keilor FC will be subjected to Allowable Player Payment Integrity Reviews, at the Club's expense, at the conclusion of the 2025 and 2026 football seasons.

"The integrity of our competition is paramount and we remain committed to upholding the rules and regulations of our league, and our expectation of clubs to adhere to those rules and regulations," EDFL Chairman Ian Price said.

"We will acknowledge Keilor FC's excellent cooperation and full disclosure throughout the Integrity Review and Player Payment Disciplinary Committee Hearing.

"We also acknowledge that the Club’s breaches were not dishonest or wilful."

$605 a bit rough when dealing with a scale of a $100k cap albeit hard to see how you breach the cap in 2023 by 40% and it not being dishonest or wilful.

[Lightning McQueen]

https://essendondfl.com.au/keilor-fc-player-payments-disciplinary-committee-hearing/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3Kh3dTIGSc44HbvfMTBcyRsybyMX-nc-GX0WDCNtJegKqMfX0D4FiUHz0_aem_Z9ExzN_vKtKHFUOlv535uw

Keilor FC Player Payments Disciplinary Committee Hearing

Tuesday, February 25th, 2025 at 10:09pm
League Statement
The EDFL wishes to advise of the outcome of Keilor FC's Player Payments Disciplinary Committee Hearing.

A Player Payment Disciplinary Committee, appointed pursuant to the EDFL Player Payment Rules, heard charges laid against Keilor FC arising from reports made by an Integrity Officer.

The Committee found the Club in breach of the Player Payment Rules:

- by exceeding the Allowable Player Payment limit of $100,000 by a total amount of $605 in the 2022 season; and

- by exceeding the Allowable Player Payment limit of $110,000 by a total amount of $45,100 in the 2023 season.

The Committee imposed the following sanctions:

1. Keilor FC will forfeit the 2023 Senior Men’s Premier Division premiership.

2. Keilor FC's Allowable Player Payments limit will be reduced by 15 per cent for each of the 2025, 2026 and 2027 football seasons.

3. Keilor FC is fined $50,000, with $20,000 of the $50,000 suspended pending compliance by Keilor FC with the EDFL Player Payment Rules for the 2025, 2026 and 2027 football seasons.

4. Keilor FC will be subjected to Allowable Player Payment Integrity Reviews, at the Club's expense, at the conclusion of the 2025 and 2026 football seasons.

"The integrity of our competition is paramount and we remain committed to upholding the rules and regulations of our league, and our expectation of clubs to adhere to those rules and regulations," EDFL Chairman Ian Price said.

"We will acknowledge Keilor FC's excellent cooperation and full disclosure throughout the Integrity Review and Player Payment Disciplinary Committee Hearing.

"We also acknowledge that the Club’s breaches were not dishonest or wilful."

$605 a bit rough when dealing with a scale of a $100k cap albeit hard to see how you breach the cap in 2023 by 40% and it not being dishonest or wilful.

2022: Dip the toes in to test the waters.
2023: Take a big run up and drop their biggest bomb!

[Hack]

Have to assume league would have issued a ‘slap on the wrist’ warning if the $605 in 2022 was an isolated issue (call it a rounding error).

Hard to call the 40k in 2023 an error unless someone ‘accidentally’ threw out multiple contracts to new recruits with big $$$ in brown paper bags. Heard it happens though.

[wenchbarwer]

Mick McGuane is the head coach there. Gives even less credibility to his articles in the Herald/Tiser now.

Failed former professional coach turned salary cap rorter of local footy. This sounds familiar...

[gadj1976]

Mick McGuane is the head coach there. Gives even less credibility to his articles in the Herald/Tiser now.

Failed former professional coach turned salary cap rorter of local footy. This sounds familiar...

Serious question, does the head coach set the salaries, or does the list manager? We have a list manager at our Ammo club. Surely the coach coaches and the list manager manages lists (tongue twister)?

[wenchbarwer]

Mick McGuane is the head coach there. Gives even less credibility to his articles in the Herald/Tiser now.

Failed former professional coach turned salary cap rorter of local footy. This sounds familiar...

Serious question, does the head coach set the salaries, or does the list manager? We have a list manager at our Ammo club. Surely the coach coaches and the list manager manages lists (tongue twister)?

List manager/footy director/whatever they want to call themselves normally sorts contracts, etc. so would have final say on $$$.

From what I've been involved with, the coach certainly has a say in who he wants to recruit, and would understand how much they are paying in order to entice players across. Any coach that throws their hands up and says "I had no idea" is a complete liar.

[The Bedge]

Any coach that throws their hands up and says "I had no idea" is a complete liar.

Granted I'm involved at a club towards the bottom of the food chain, but in my years in control I've never included any of the coaches in discussions around player payments that have been made.

I can hand on heart say the only people that would know specific payments for our club would be myself, the treasurer and the AdFL... as far as I'm concerned it's no one else's business who is getting paid and what including the coach.. we do table overall player payment spend in our financial report each year at the AGM though because I wont hide the fact we do actually pay (if that makes sense).

[wenchbarwer]

Any coach that throws their hands up and says "I had no idea" is a complete liar.

Granted I'm involved at a club towards the bottom of the food chain, but in my years in control I've never included any of the coaches in discussions around player payments that have been made.

I can hand on heart say the only people that would know specific payments for our club would be myself, the treasurer and the AdFL... as far as I'm concerned it's no one else's business who is getting paid and what including the coach.. we do table overall player payment spend in our financial report each year at the AGM though because I wont hide the fact we do actually pay (if that makes sense).

Interesting, my lads have had a few clubs sniff around the last couple of years, and all approaches bar one have involved coaches and money.

[The Bedge]

Interesting, my lads have had a few clubs sniff around the last couple of years, and all approaches bar one have involved coaches and money.

I've had coaches approach players, or talk to them.. but then when it gets down to progressing those discussions it's handballed to me.

Anyway my club is likely one of the exceptions - the money for our budget each year is barely a drop in the ocean compared to bigger clubs.

[wenchbarwer]

Interesting, my lads have had a few clubs sniff around the last couple of years, and all approaches bar one have involved coaches and money.

I've had coaches approach players, or talk to them.. but then when it gets down to progressing those discussions it's handballed to me.

Anyway my club is likely one of the exceptions - the money for our budget each year is barely a drop in the ocean compared to bigger clubs.

Like I said, it's just the interactions I've had that have involved coaches, maybe I'm the exception!. Even had one coach approach me at a game as a conduit for my eldest, he had full knowledge of what they were spending, what they were offering as well as how much wriggle room he had.

[Hack]

On some advertisements for coaching positions it is advertised as there being a ‘budget/room in cap for recruitment’.

I assume those coaches know the $$$.

I don’t think there is anything wrong with that either as long as someone at the club keeps them in check.

[gadj1976]

Mick McGuane is the head coach there. Gives even less credibility to his articles in the Herald/Tiser now.

Failed former professional coach turned salary cap rorter of local footy. This sounds familiar...

Serious question, does the head coach set the salaries, or does the list manager? We have a list manager at our Ammo club. Surely the coach coaches and the list manager manages lists (tongue twister)?

List manager/footy director/whatever they want to call themselves normally sorts contracts, etc. so would have final say on $$$.

From what I've been involved with, the coach certainly has a say in who he wants to recruit, and would understand how much they are paying in order to entice players across. Any coach that throws their hands up and says "I had no idea" is a complete liar.

Jars (cough)..... umm, anyway....so a coach would say we can offer x amount, but the footy manager agrees to what the real $$'s are. So what the coach actually knows and what they think they agree to could be two different things?

[bird of prey]

The coach may have plausible deniability in most cases. But I would put money on it that in almost every case the coach would either be involved in discussions, or would have a fair amount of knowledge as to what players are actually being paid.

[locky801]

Does anyone know if the league has cut the salary cap back this season

[Mr Beefy]

Does anyone know if the league has cut the salary cap back this season

Not that I'm aware of

[Down the Hill]

Salary Cap for AdFL is now no different to the rest of SA Community Footy. Has been since COVID.

[locky801]

Salary Cap for AdFL is now no different to the rest of SA Community Footy. Has been since COVID.

mm interesting , thank you

[DOC]

Is it Broadview?

[locky801]

Is it Broadview?

just a query from something i heard didnt think it would have been

[River Murray]

Salary Cap for AdFL is now no different to the rest of SA Community Footy. Has been since COVID.

now time for Amateurs to be no different to rest of SA community footy.......with AAPS points.......currently a joke
a debacle over points allocation.....amateur clubs even divvy 7 get 15 points a club.......same as divvy 1 get 15
but divvy 7 clubs getting more AAPS points than 90% of country clubs and same as divvy 1 clubs.......is a shambles

RMFL clubs....hills clubs...GSFL clubs...Kntfl clubs.... and all other country leagues are on a sliding scale

absolute garbage.....we either alll get the same points as amatuer clubs......or it's just not fair

can't have one league getting 15 points every club........other clubs in other leagues get 3 or 4 or 5 or 6.....depending on factors

every club should get 15.....end of story.....not a level playing field.......no wonder country clubs might feel the need to pay more $$$
can't blame country clubs......if they decide to pay more $$$.....when not an equal playing field with AAPS points

all clubs in SA should get the same AAPS points