CDFC 2024

[UK Fan]

When is our B & F ?

https://cdfc.com.au/upcoming-events

[TDJ44]

When is our B & F ?

https://cdfc.com.au/upcoming-events

Might be an interesting night after last weeks decision.
A letter to the members sent today explaining why they decided on concessions.
Salary cap for SANFL teams is only $290k in 2025.
I thought it was over $300k,seems very low.

[saintal]

Was $345K this year according to a quick google search. (source: Advertiser article).

What was the rationale stated behind the concessions?

[TDJ44]

Was $345K this year according to a quick google search. (source: Advertiser article).

What was the rationale stated behind the concessions?

As we've heard previously, because it will be the same as the VFL teams.
Plus apparently it will benefit our SANFL clubs in the future.
Not sure how it helps SANFL clubs but according to Greg, it will.

[Kahuna]

Was $345K this year according to a quick google search. (source: Advertiser article).

What was the rationale stated behind the concessions?

To CDFC Members,



I thought I would write to you all to provide a clearer explanation as to the key amendments made to the regulations the 2 AFL clubs operate under in the SANFL competition. As you may know, the SANFL, AFL and the 2 local AFL Clubs have been discussing potential new regulations for the 2025 season. This process has been finalised and some new concessions have been added to the operation of how they add talent to their SANFL teams, and also removed some existing concessions. As a member of the large group working on this process, there were several complex matters to be considered, some concepts were admittedly difficult to entertain or support as a long term passionate SANFL club person, however the wider group were entrusted in coming up with a set of regulations which protected the SANFL and the SANFL clubs into the future.

Before I map out the key changes, I want to provide some important details which assisted in shaping the regulation changes:

At present, the recruiting rules of the VFL (including the aligned AFL Clubs in the VFL) allow all clubs the ability to recruit their players from anywhere in Australia, from any league, from any club.
Up to 2024, this does not apply to the 2 AFL clubs in SA. They only had the ability to recruit players for their SANFL team, from community football or interstate with the exception of father/son or NGA Academy players.
If Port or the Crows join an expanded VFL, or an AFL Reserves, they would likely play under the VFL/AFL rules on recruiting players, meaning all SANFL players, in any number, from any of our 8 clubs can be targeted and recruited.
At present, to be drafted into the AFL or AFLW from South Australia, the player must be registered and playing for a SANFL club. Interstate, the AFL clubs have the ability to draft players direct from any club, whether it be the metro or country community leagues, or any minor league. The players do not need to have played state league football. An example is the recent drafting by Collingwood of Joe Richards (in 2022). Richards was drafted direct from Wangaratta FC, never playing state league football.
One of the most critical rules we (SANFL and its clubs) operate under, is the passage of each drafted player having to come through a SANFL club. If the AFL decided, because SANFL did not respond to the recruiting issues raised by Port and the Crows, to align this draft regulation with those interstate (recruiting from anywhere), the SANFL competition would be under severe threat for its future. If young players were able to get drafted direct from their community clubs, it would devastate the talent pathway currently provided by each SANFL club.
SANFL receives funding from the AFL which drives ongoing development of female football, talent programs and supports the growth of the game in SA.
So, the working group were given the task of developing some concessions for the 2 AFL clubs in SA, which provided them the opportunity to secure more talent for their SANFL team, but ensure the competitiveness and tradition of the SANFL and its clubs remained strong, where every club can still contend each year.



The key regulation changes:



Under 21 Players
This regulation allows for 8 players (maximum of 6 from SANFL clubs) to be placed, on loan, to the AFL clubs. This regulation used to be 4 players aged 19 to 23 yo (from interstate).
A maximum of 1 player from each SANFL club, per AFL club. If an AFL club already has a player from CDFC in this category, they cannot take another the following year (under this category)
The player must have turned 18 yo, but not have turned 21 yo, prior to 1 January in the calendar year which they are loaned to the AFL club (effectively the player must be 19 – 21 years old).
These players, if not selected by the AFL club, can return to their SANFL club
A loan fee will be paid to the SANFL club.



Open Age Players
This regulation allows for 4 players who are over 21 years old (turning 22 in the year they play for the AFL team).
A maximum of 1 player from each SANFL club (across both clubs) allowed. That means, if Port recruit one CDFC player, the Crows can’t.
If this player remains with either of the AFL clubs the following year/s, they cannot recruit another player in this category from the same club (until he is delisted or drafted)
These players can be recruited from anywhere (SANFL, VFL, WAFL, AFL delisted)
These players are transferred to the AFL club, with a transfer fee to be paid (as per current club to club transfer fee schedule).
These players, if not selected by the AFL club, can return to their home SANFL club and play in the Reserves team only. The SANFL club has the choice whether to play him in the Reserves or not (otherwise plays community football).



Under 18 State Academy Players
After the Under 18’s National Championships, the AFL clubs can offer the opportunity to a player in the Academy a 2 – 4 week training or playing period. A variation of this regulation is already in place, where we have seen NGA or father/son’s playing games for the AFL’s SANFL team.
This is designed to give the player, before he is drafted, the opportunity to ‘live like an AFL player’ prior to joining an AFL club.
All discussions on this must include the SANFL club, SANFL Management and the final decision will be made by SANFL.



Salary Cap
The salary cap is set at $130,000 across all lists (SANFL will be $290,000 in 2025). This was $107,000 in 2024 (so increased by $23,000)
Total cap for the Overage players is $70,000, and the total cap for the Under 21 players is $60,000.
A total of $30,000 relocation allowance will be made available for players relocating from interstate.



Other Regulations:
SANFL player contracts will be enforced at all times. If a player is contracted to an SANFL club, he is not eligible to join an AFL club
All contractual rules apply.
The AFL clubs will have no marquee players as per previously
The AFL clubs were always able to recruit 4 interstate players aged between 19 and 23 yo, this has been removed
Players from any community club can be recruited by the AFL clubs



We expect to lose at least one player to the new regulations, because our expectation is, if a player believes his AFL draft chances will be increased by having a year or two with an AFL club (as an SANFL player), then he will take it.



I hope that provides a little more clarity.



Go the Dogs in 2025!



Regards,



Greg Edwards

[Purple Warrior]

the only sentence that matters is the SANFL receives funding from the AFL
Translated means, do this or your funding will go

I didnt know Port or Crows wouldnt have been able to draft Joe Richards either

Politics in the next life for Edwards, what a load of crap

[UK Fan]

the only sentence that matters is the SANFL receives funding from the AFL
Translated means, do this or your funding will go

I didnt know Port or Crows wouldnt have been able to draft Joe Richards either

Politics in the next life for Edwards, what a load of crap

Agreed. SANFL would have received funding no matter what the concessions were.

Vfl clubs can recruit SANFl players now and have been able to for over a decade.

The only player we have ever lost to the vfl was Chris Jansen.

Meggsy you are a disgrace

[wenchbarwer]

Under 18 State Academy Players
After the Under 18’s National Championships, the AFL clubs can offer the opportunity to a player in the Academy a 2 – 4 week training or playing period. A variation of this regulation is already in place, where we have seen NGA or father/son’s playing games for the AFL’s SANFL team.
This is designed to give the player, before he is drafted, the opportunity to ‘live like an AFL player’ prior to joining an AFL club.
All discussions on this must include the SANFL club, SANFL Management and the final decision will be made by SANFL.

So they can top up with Sharp after the U18 championships

[whufc]

Under 18 State Academy Players
After the Under 18’s National Championships, the AFL clubs can offer the opportunity to a player in the Academy a 2 – 4 week training or playing period. A variation of this regulation is already in place, where we have seen NGA or father/son’s playing games for the AFL’s SANFL team.
This is designed to give the player, before he is drafted, the opportunity to ‘live like an AFL player’ prior to joining an AFL club.
All discussions on this must include the SANFL club, SANFL Management and the final decision will be made by SANFL.

So they can top up with Sharp after the U18 championships

Surely there should be a rule that says if he has played XXXX amount of league games then they can’t approach a player.

[UK Fan]

Greg Edwards has just made it harder for the club that pays his wage to win a flag.

We need an SGM.

And time to boycott the memberships.

[Dogs64]

the only sentence that matters is the SANFL receives funding from the AFL
Translated means, do this or your funding will go

I didnt know Port or Crows wouldnt have been able to draft Joe Richards either

Politics in the next life for Edwards, what a load of crap

Agreed. SANFL would have received funding no matter what the concessions were.

Vfl clubs can recruit SANFl players now and have been able to for over a decade.

The only player we have ever lost to the vfl was Chris Jansen.

Meggsy you are a disgrace

All of the above 100%!!
Biggest load of shi*!
So the "big fear" is if they left to a competition (that has no intention) of having them, they may recruit players just like the other VFL/AFL clubs can and will continue to do. So what. At least they won't be playing against us. At least the comp will have its integrity back. How many players do we currently lose to the VFL/AFL, stuff all, I'm thinking.

How about this for overage players?
These players, if not selected by the AFL club, can return to their home SANFL club and play in the Reserves team only. The SANFL club has the choice whether to play him in the Reserves or not (otherwise plays community football).
I thought this was about player development? So a player not selected comes back, but has to play reserves. Good enough to make their list but can't play league. The farce continues.

We expect to lose a player. So Greg Edwards has strengthened two opposition teams and weakened us. Way to take care of the SANFL, joke.

[FlyingHigh]

Everyone's understandably pretty high on Dyson Sharpe.

Did Centrals have four players in the u/17s futures games before the AFL GF? Pretty good effort from one club.
How are some of those other kids shaping up?

[southernbulldog]

It is probably inevitable that both AFL teams play finals next season ,
with only 3 real teams a chance to get in
If we get to the GF next season & play either Port or Crows and lose then i hope Greg is satisfied with helping them.
Would be fascinated to know what the Board,Coaches & Players think .

[Aerie]

So SANFL salary cap will be $290k in 2025?

In an Advertiser article last November, it claimed the cap was $345k in 2024 and was to be raised to $360k in 2025 and $375k in 2026.

The SANFL salary cap was $360k in 2014.

The AFL salary cap was $9.8 million in 2014 and will be $17.7 million in 2025.

[whufc]

So SANFL salary cap will be $290k in 2025?

In an Advertiser article last November, it claimed the cap was $345k in 2024 and was to be raised to $360k in 2025 and $375k in 2026.

The SANFL salary cap was $360k in 2014.

The AFL salary cap was $9.8 million in 2014 and will be $17.7 million in 2025.

This is the issue SANFL clubs face. They are struggling to generate the income from football related streams to meet the wages required to remain as the second tier comp in Australia.

All SANFL clubs are pretty much reliant on a secondary income source that are not their primary business. This can't be the best business model, relying on income streams that aren't your 'expertise' to remain viable.

It's a catch 22, its best for the comp if they can raise the salary cap............BUT all teams need to be able to afford to do this otherwise you will end up with and EPL where on a few teams will win. That will kill of the SANFL. Whilst the salary cap isnt rising though the league will continue to lose players to country and ammo clubs, that will only increase in future years.

[UK Fan]

So SANFL salary cap will be $290k in 2025?

In an Advertiser article last November, it claimed the cap was $345k in 2024 and was to be raised to $360k in 2025 and $375k in 2026.

The SANFL salary cap was $360k in 2014.

The AFL salary cap was $9.8 million in 2014 and will be $17.7 million in 2025.

This is the issue SANFL clubs face. They are struggling to generate the income from football related streams to meet the wages required to remain as the second tier comp in Australia.

All SANFL clubs are pretty much reliant on a secondary income source that are not their primary business. This can't be the best business model, relying on income streams that aren't your 'expertise' to remain viable.

It's a catch 22, its best for the comp if they can raise the salary cap............BUT all teams need to be able to afford to do this otherwise you will end up with and EPL where on a few teams will win. That will kill of the SANFL. Whilst the salary cap isnt rising though the league will continue to lose players to country and ammo clubs, that will only increase in future years.

Centrals generate $6 million a year in revenue

The salary cap would be 6% of the revenue generated

[whufc]

So SANFL salary cap will be $290k in 2025?

In an Advertiser article last November, it claimed the cap was $345k in 2024 and was to be raised to $360k in 2025 and $375k in 2026.

The SANFL salary cap was $360k in 2014.

The AFL salary cap was $9.8 million in 2014 and will be $17.7 million in 2025.

This is the issue SANFL clubs face. They are struggling to generate the income from football related streams to meet the wages required to remain as the second tier comp in Australia.

All SANFL clubs are pretty much reliant on a secondary income source that are not their primary business. This can't be the best business model, relying on income streams that aren't your 'expertise' to remain viable.

It's a catch 22, its best for the comp if they can raise the salary cap............BUT all teams need to be able to afford to do this otherwise you will end up with and EPL where on a few teams will win. That will kill of the SANFL. Whilst the salary cap isnt rising though the league will continue to lose players to country and ammo clubs, that will only increase in future years.

Centrals generate $6 million a year in revenue

The salary cap would be 6% of the revenue generated

What I’m saying though I’m guessing most of the $6 mil is from generated from non football sources eg pokies

[dedja]

That's how most, if not all clubs are structured ... there are 2 entities, football (generates little revenue, incurs the most cost, but is 'core' business), and the non-football entity (pokies/bistro/etc) which generates the vast majority of revenue.

When your non-football entity underperforms, you're financially faarked.

[whufc]

That's how most, if not all clubs are structured ... there are 2 entities, football (generates little revenue, incurs the most cost, but is 'core' business), and the non-football entity (pokies/bistro/etc) which generates the vast majority of revenue.

When your non-football entity underperforms, you're financially faarked.

Yeah 100%, i would imagine its a slightly precautious position to be in, especially regarding pokies where the entire situation could change at the hands of government legislation etc.

SANFL clubs would be one of the few sporting entities which survive through non core businesses.

I'm only guessing but AFL clubs would primarily survive based on footballing operations, eg Sponsorship generated from the football, memberships etc.

Even country / ammo clubs would survive primarily through sponsorship from the actual football, bar takings from game days etc.

SANFL clubs on the other hand are reliant on non-footballing people utilising their clubrooms, Monday-Friday spending money on the pokes etc. Not an ideal situation.

SANFL clubs are pretty much pokie palaces who have football teams on the side.

I could be completely wrong though......happy to cop that.

[mal]

I have some memories of the CDFC over the years
Met and made a few friends from the club

One time I was at the club a woman chatted me up
After what seemed just a few minutes she asked If i would take her out to celebrate her 30th birthday the following Saturday
We exchanged phone numbers
She contacted me the morning of her 30th birthday
" Sorry Malcolm , I cant go out with you tonight."
" How come?' I asked
" I'm sorry, but I have to babysit my grandchildren tonight."