Australian International Summer 2024/25

[Armchair expert]

That was out.. Inglis definitely looked ready and looked up - just because he's been put off by where he's bowled from is no excuse.

100% out

[The Dark Knight]

Chasing Scotlands 9/154 (20) Australia have posted a WORLD RECORD Power Play score of 1/113 off 6 overs and that after losing JFM 3rd ball for a duck.
Currently Aust 3/123 (7) Head out for 80 (25)

Inglis 1st ball he faced he pulled away very late to spinner Watt and was bowled. Umpire called Dead Ball which was an absolute JOKE

Interesting that there's NO 3rd umpire for this match

Interesting one as the bowler bowled the delivery from next to the umpire, he theoretically wasn't entering his delivery stride, pretty crappy tactic really, just bowl the ball son.

Watt uses his long ball tactic quite alot and maybe this is Australia's way of getting him to stop doing it?

[daysofourlives]

That was out.. Inglis definitely looked ready and looked up - just because he's been put off by where he's bowled from is no excuse.

100% out

Agreed, he was watching, there is no law to say you have to bowl close to the line. You cant bowl from behind the umpire so as to block the batsmans vision and you must stay inside an imaginary extension of the side line
Ive done this myself for many years, its almost guaranteed to be a dot ball the 1st time you use it to a new batsman. Its generally the batsman that really, really rate themselves that dont like it, just like Inglis

Over the years Ive also encouraged the medium pace bowlers to deliver from further back when a batsman bats out his crease to negate swinging conditions. Im surprised that more bowlers dont do this on the regular.

[The Dark Knight]

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/scot ... ia-1449928

Towards the end of the opening T20I between Australia and Scotland in Edinburgh, talk switched from Travis Head's pyrotechnics to the 'long ball' tactics of left-arm spinner Mark Watt and the grey areas of the Law that his innovation approach challenges.

The ball after having Mitchell Marsh taken on the rope, Watt delivered one of his 25-yard deliveries to Josh Inglis who made the very late decision to step away with it taking the leg bail. The umpire called 'dead ball', although he did appear to speak to Inglis. It happened again a short while later when Marcus Stoinis stepped away having started to face up, although on this occasion the ball missed the stumps.

"It's just trying to rush [the batters]," Watt has previously explained. "By the time I've let it go, the batsman looks up and the ball's halfway down the wicket."

The wording of the relevant Law, 20.4.2.5, showed the umpire had made the correct call. "Either umpire shall call and signal Dead ball when…the striker is not ready for the delivery of the ball and, if the ball is delivered, makes no attempt to play it. Provided the umpire is satisfied that the striker had adequate reason for not being ready, the ball shall not count as one of the over."

However, the "adequate reason" for the batter to pull away is left for the umpire's discretion and Watt clearly felt Inglis had been ready to face. Freeze frames of the moment Watt started his run up did appear to suggest that Inglis was still looking down when tapping his bat, although he was looking towards the bowler before the ball was delivered.

On commentary, the former Scotland captain Preston Mommsen suggested Inglis had been fortunate. "The unexpected nature of the delivery coming from 23, 24 yards. He's a very lucky man to still be there," he said.

There wouldn't have been an impact on the result, but it's not the first time the debate has been sparked as to whether Watt was denied a wicket. The same situation occurred in the T20 World Cup earlier this year when Oman batter Khalid Kail was 'bowled' after stepping away and umpire Chris Brown called dead ball. On that occasion Watt and captain Richie Berrington spoke to the umpire but on Wednesday, apart from a few gesticulations the game went on, although there were boos from the crowd after the second dead-ball call.

During the World Cup example, Tom Moody, who was commentating for the game, believed Kail was ready and ball shouldn't have been dead. "The batter's looking up. He's ready. To me, that is a legitimate ball," Moody had said. "The ball is live. As soon as the batter has placed his bat down and faces up, looks up to the bowler, he's ready to go."

Australia were on alert for the tactic when they faced Scotland in the T20 World Cup in St Lucia, where Inglis was a member of the squad and Stoinis was in the XI.

[The Dark Knight]

https://www.wisden.com/series/icc-mens- ... -24-yarder
On further reading about Mark Watts long ball pretty much the exact same situation has happened before in the recent T20 World Cup when Scotland played Oman.

[Trader]

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/scot-vs-aus-1st-t20i-mark-watt-s-25-yard-long-ball-resurfaces-against-australia-1449928

"It's just trying to rush [the batters]," Watt has previously explained. "By the time I've let it go, the batsman looks up and the ball's halfway down the wicket."

This is why I have a problem with it.

He isn't trying to deceive the batsman with flight or change in the time it takes the ball to arrive at the batsman after leaving the hand.
He is doing it to try and bowl the ball before the batsman is ready. He wants the ball to be halfway down before the batsman sees it.

I'm fine with it being called dead ball.

[daysofourlives]

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/scot-vs-aus-1st-t20i-mark-watt-s-25-yard-long-ball-resurfaces-against-australia-1449928

"It's just trying to rush [the batters]," Watt has previously explained. "By the time I've let it go, the batsman looks up and the ball's halfway down the wicket."

This is why I have a problem with it.

He isn't trying to deceive the batsman with flight or change in the time it takes the ball to arrive at the batsman after leaving the hand.
He is doing it to try and bowl the ball before the batsman is ready. He wants the ball to be halfway down before the batsman sees it.

I'm fine with it being called dead ball.

That wasnt the case with this delivery to Inglis. Inglis was looking up for some time.
Batsman can dance down the wicket or move across the crease trying to draw a wide from the bowler before a bowler enters a delivery stride.

Ive also lost count of the number of times ive stopped bowling a bowl in my delivery stride because the batsman isnt watching. My run up starts approx 1m behind the stumps, i like to bowl my overs in about 43 seconds.
The batsman has one job, thats to be ready to face when the bowler is ready to bowl.
We all complain about over rates, thats one of the main contributing factors.

[Trader]

I don't disagree the batsmen needs to be ready, hurry the game up, etc.

But getting back to what the bowler has been quoted as saying, he is admitting he is trying to bowl before the batsman is ready.
His long ball isn't about changing the length of the pitch, its about trying to bowl before the batsman is ready.

Given this is his intention, I'm happy for the umpire to side with the batsman, not the bowler.

[locky801]

I don't disagree the batsmen needs to be ready, hurry the game up, etc.

But getting back to what the bowler has been quoted as saying, he is admitting he is trying to bowl before the batsman is ready.
His long ball isn't about changing the length of the pitch, its about trying to bowl before the batsman is ready.

Given this is his intention, I'm happy for the umpire to side with the batsman, not the bowler.

All well and good but in this instance the batter was ready, in his stance and looking towards the bowler

[Trader]

I don't disagree the batsmen needs to be ready, hurry the game up, etc.

But getting back to what the bowler has been quoted as saying, he is admitting he is trying to bowl before the batsman is ready.
His long ball isn't about changing the length of the pitch, its about trying to bowl before the batsman is ready.

Given this is his intention, I'm happy for the umpire to side with the batsman, not the bowler.

All well and good but in this instance the batter was ready, in his stance and looking towards the bowler

I disagree.

Bowler is already in his delivery stride and Inglis's head is still down:



Screenshot taken from video here:
https://www.cricket.com.au/news/4107301 ... ravis-head?

[Armchair expert]

And here I am thinking tapping the bat on the ground signals to the bowler you are ready to face the delivery

[daysofourlives]

The bowler can bowl at any time from the moment he is in front of the umpire. the batsman should be prepared for this. End of story.
Just because this is new to the batsman doesnt make it illegal or dead.
Batsman already has enough advantage when he can be given not out if the bowler is 1mm over the line.

May as well make the bowler tell the batsman if he's bowling a leggy or a wrongun.

[Lightning McQueen]

That was out.. Inglis definitely looked ready and looked up - just because he's been put off by where he's bowled from is no excuse.

I don't disagree, I just think it's poor sportsmanship to employ such a tactic...................mind you I wasn't impressed with the Carey/Bairstow thing either.

[Lightning McQueen]

And here I am thinking tapping the bat on the ground signals to the bowler you are ready to face the delivery

Unless you say wicky leaf

[locky801]

Set the alarm clocks 3am start tomorrow, 1st T20 Aust Vs England

[The Dark Knight]

Set the alarm clocks 3am start tomorrow, 1st T20 Aust Vs England

Australia 179
Had 59 (23)
Short 41 (26)
Livingstone 3/22

England currently 4/54

The match (and series) is also being broadcast on ABC sport radio.

[Eagles2014]

Set the alarm clocks 3am start tomorrow, 1st T20 Aust Vs England

Australia 179
Had 59 (23)
Short 41 (26)
Livingstone 3/22

England currently 4/54

The match (and series) is also being broadcast on ABC sport radio.

All out 151 so Aussies win by 28 runs in the end.

Stoinis and David were both out LBW in consecutive balls, both given not out, England review and both out. Would have dented the umps confidence

[Armchair expert]

Phil Salt is the English captain

Tim David took a very good catch for the 2nd wicket

[Lightning McQueen]

Phil Salt is the English captain

Gritty

[Corona Man]

Phil Salt is the English captain

Gritty

I agree..... he's in everything.