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Re: 2020 Retirements and delistings / trade talk

Postby Armchair expert » Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:33 pm

tigerpie wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
whufc wrote:Tin foil hat time.

Collingwood were found to have broken the salary cap. Due to the pies not actually winning anything and the AFL not wanting to deal with a salary cap scandal tell Collingwood to have a total cleanout immediately. AFL then sweep it under the rug and its a win/win for both the AFL/Collingwood.

No other possible explanation makes sense for Collingwoods trade week.


It doesnt get mentioned for obvious reasons but I guarantee the Beams issue has the club hamstrung and has caused some of this fallout. They have 2 more years of him on big $'s and they haven't been able to negotiate an exit for him. No doubt due to their tight cap they have tried to negotiate a low payout but Beams ain't budging.

If he's not fulfilling his end of the contract (like playing) then I wouldve thought it would get torn up.


I highly doubt that with what we know about mental health these days.
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Re: 2020 Retirements and delistings / trade talk

Postby tigerpie » Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:33 am

Geez if I don't fulfill my part of my work contract, like not go to work I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be still getting paid.
He retired part way through a contract so he shouldn't be getting paid in my opinion.
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Re: 2020 Retirements and delistings / trade talk

Postby Bum Crack » Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:15 am

tigerpie wrote:Geez if I don't fulfill my part of my work contract, like not go to work I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be still getting paid.
He retired part way through a contract so he shouldn't be getting paid in my opinion.

Would it be more of a workcover type thing where the club isn't actually paying him off their books but his salary is still factored into their salary cap until his contract expires? I have no idea though.
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Re: 2020 Retirements and delistings / trade talk

Postby Jim05 » Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:29 am

Bum Crack wrote:
tigerpie wrote:Geez if I don't fulfill my part of my work contract, like not go to work I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be still getting paid.
He retired part way through a contract so he shouldn't be getting paid in my opinion.

Would it be more of a workcover type thing where the club isn't actually paying him off their books but his salary is still factored into their salary cap until his contract expires? I have no idea though.
He is still on their books being fully paid possibly to avoid court action which he has threatened.
Pretty sure I saw it quoted that Collingwood will be paying over $1.5m next year for players to sit out or play elsewhere.
Treloar, Phillips and Langdon all getting some wage paid by Collingwood, not sure about Stephenson
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Re: 2020 Retirements and delistings / trade talk

Postby stan » Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:44 am

Jim05 wrote:
Bum Crack wrote:
tigerpie wrote:Geez if I don't fulfill my part of my work contract, like not go to work I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be still getting paid.
He retired part way through a contract so he shouldn't be getting paid in my opinion.

Would it be more of a workcover type thing where the club isn't actually paying him off their books but his salary is still factored into their salary cap until his contract expires? I have no idea though.
He is still on their books being fully paid possibly to avoid court action which he has threatened.
Pretty sure I saw it quoted that Collingwood will be paying over $1.5m next year for players to sit out or play elsewhere.
Treloar, Phillips and Langdon all getting some wage paid by Collingwood, not sure about Stephenson
Surely that can't be right? I mean how can you **** up that much?
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Re: 2020 Retirements and delistings / trade talk

Postby Spargo » Sat Nov 14, 2020 12:17 pm

Jim05 wrote:
Bum Crack wrote:
tigerpie wrote:Geez if I don't fulfill my part of my work contract, like not go to work I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be still getting paid.
He retired part way through a contract so he shouldn't be getting paid in my opinion.

Would it be more of a workcover type thing where the club isn't actually paying him off their books but his salary is still factored into their salary cap until his contract expires? I have no idea though.
He is still on their books being fully paid possibly to avoid court action which he has threatened.
Pretty sure I saw it quoted that Collingwood will be paying over $1.5m next year for players to sit out or play elsewhere.
Treloar, Phillips and Langdon all getting some wage paid by Collingwood, not sure about Stephenson

Pretty sure Collingwood are paying part of Stephenson’s for the first three years.
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Re: 2020 Retirements and delistings / trade talk

Postby Brodlach » Sat Nov 14, 2020 12:37 pm

Matt Rendell said he thought it would be about $1.5 million
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Re: 2020 Retirements and delistings / trade talk

Postby FlyingHigh » Sat Nov 14, 2020 12:56 pm

stan wrote:
Jim05 wrote:
Bum Crack wrote:
tigerpie wrote:Geez if I don't fulfill my part of my work contract, like not go to work I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be still getting paid.
He retired part way through a contract so he shouldn't be getting paid in my opinion.

Would it be more of a workcover type thing where the club isn't actually paying him off their books but his salary is still factored into their salary cap until his contract expires? I have no idea though.
He is still on their books being fully paid possibly to avoid court action which he has threatened.
Pretty sure I saw it quoted that Collingwood will be paying over $1.5m next year for players to sit out or play elsewhere.
Treloar, Phillips and Langdon all getting some wage paid by Collingwood, not sure about Stephenson
Surely that can't be right? I mean how can you **** up that much?


I guess that it the ultimate "all-in" on this year.
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Re: 2020 Retirements and delistings / trade talk

Postby Brodlach » Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:01 am

Nathan Buckley on SEN was good listening, was pretty honest and took a lot of the responsibility for what happened
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Re: 2020 Retirements and delistings / trade talk

Postby Dutchy » Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:29 am

Brodlach wrote:Nathan Buckley on SEN was good listening, was pretty honest and took a lot of the responsibility for what happened


He had a role in comms to the players, but Id be confident he is not the root cause for all of their issues.
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Re: 2020 Retirements and delistings / trade talk

Postby Booney » Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:37 am

Dutchy wrote:
Brodlach wrote:Nathan Buckley on SEN was good listening, was pretty honest and took a lot of the responsibility for what happened


He had a role in comms to the players, but Id be confident he is not the root cause for all of their issues.


Not sure about that. I'd imagine list management, which would include Buckley, would have identified a list of players whose salary needed to be reviewed / cut and he'd have been asked which ones he'd like to keep and which ones he could let go.

He obviously wanted to keep De Goey ahead of Treloar and Stephenson, if not De Goey wouldn't be about to sign a new big deal.
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Re: 2020 Retirements and delistings / trade talk

Postby Brodlach » Mon Nov 16, 2020 11:30 am

He knew what was going on, I get the feeling he expected either or both Moore and DeGoey to be gone.

He also said Treloar was away this may happen as they tried to move him on 12 months ago.
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Re: 2020 Retirements and delistings / trade talk

Postby woodublieve12 » Mon Nov 16, 2020 12:23 pm

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Re: 2020 Retirements and delistings / trade talk

Postby Booney » Mon Nov 16, 2020 12:57 pm

Gerard Whateley to Nathan Buckley SEN:

“Jaidyn Stephenson & Adam Treloar have had their say. Did you actively drive them out of the club?”

NB: “Yes we had to.”
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Re: 2020 Retirements and delistings / trade talk

Postby valleys07 » Mon Nov 16, 2020 1:37 pm

All Buckley's presser did, was make Ned Guy look like a complete ****ing moron.
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Re: 2020 Retirements and delistings / trade talk

Postby mighty_tiger_79 » Mon Nov 16, 2020 1:53 pm

But it also didnt help Buckleys own position from what he said on Nov 2nd. He also now looks like an idiot. And to think people supported Buckley for calling out a journo [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]

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Re: 2020 Retirements and delistings / trade talk

Postby tigerpie » Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:53 pm

I've been a pies fan pretty much since I can remember.

I've never been more embarrassed of my club ever!
That includes watching us come second in so many grand finals.
Back to the 77 draw then lose the next week.

Heads should roll at list management level starting with Ned.
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Re: 2020 Retirements and delistings / trade talk

Postby amber_fluid » Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:57 pm

tigerpie wrote:I've been a pies fan pretty much since I can remember.

I've never been more embarrassed of my club ever!
That includes watching us come second in so many grand finals.
Back to the 77 draw then lose the next week.

Heads should roll at list management level starting with Ned.


Where is Sir Ed whilst this is all unfolding?
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Re: 2020 Retirements and delistings / trade talk

Postby Brodlach » Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:00 pm

amber_fluid wrote:
tigerpie wrote:I've been a pies fan pretty much since I can remember.

I've never been more embarrassed of my club ever!
That includes watching us come second in so many grand finals.
Back to the 77 draw then lose the next week.

Heads should roll at list management level starting with Ned.


Where is Sir Ed whilst this is all unfolding?

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Re: 2020 Retirements and delistings / trade talk

Postby Dutchy » Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:01 pm

Listened to the Bucks interview tonight, thought he was pretty good, took the lead to have the tough conversations with the boys involved. Which of course he should, however Im sure not all coaches would. Had to separate personal relationships from business which is always tough.

He is a good coach IMO.
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