morell wrote:Hahaha nah, you don't have to read it, but more people need to understand how the spheres of government work and what their roles are.
Local Government do not make policy - and never should. Minor By Laws the exception.
Neither does he.
by Booney » Thu Oct 05, 2017 10:44 am
morell wrote:Hahaha nah, you don't have to read it, but more people need to understand how the spheres of government work and what their roles are.
Local Government do not make policy - and never should. Minor By Laws the exception.
by morell » Thu Oct 05, 2017 10:47 am
by Magellan » Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:04 am
morell wrote:Hahaha nah, you don't have to read it, but more people need to understand how the spheres of government work and what their roles are.
Local Government do not make policy - and never should. Minor By Laws the exception.
by morell » Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:13 am
No it is. There is a reasonably strict protocol and the like as the Citizenship ceremonies are formal.Magellan wrote:morell wrote:Hahaha nah, you don't have to read it, but more people need to understand how the spheres of government work and what their roles are.
Local Government do not make policy - and never should. Minor By Laws the exception.
I think the decision to celebrate Australia Day on another day is not really a 'policy' decision in the true sense of the word. Everyone can still not go to work, get pissed at a BBQ and listed to JJJ et al on 26 January. All the council is debating is whether to hold an event for Australia Day on a different day.
No, certain services LG is specifically, by law, mandated to deliver as per the Act. This is why Council's are able to collect rates, also, by law.Magellan wrote:I'd also bet the funding for Australia Day celebrations comes out of the council's coffers and not via federal funds, so surely it's up to a self-governing body to determine how it can spend its money?
by Magellan » Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:19 am
morell wrote:No, certain services LG is specifically, by law, mandated to deliver as per the Act. This is why Council's are able to collect rates, also, by law.
by morell » Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:39 am
Magellan wrote:morell wrote:No, certain services LG is specifically, by law, mandated to deliver as per the Act. This is why Council's are able to collect rates, also, by law.
What are those services, and where does the Act mandate them?
by Magellan » Thu Oct 05, 2017 12:14 pm
morell wrote:Magellan wrote:morell wrote:No, certain services LG is specifically, by law, mandated to deliver as per the Act. This is why Council's are able to collect rates, also, by law.
What are those services, and where does the Act mandate them?
Carn man its thousands of pages! And probably hundreds of services.
I'll give you one that I have to work with every day:
According to the Local Government Act 1999, 2011.33.UN Part 2 Section 5 I must provide :
(1) A long-term financial plan developed and adopted for the purposes of
section 122(1a)(a) of the Act must include—
(b) a summary of proposed operating and capital investment activities presented
in a manner consistent with the note in the Model Financial Statements
entitled Uniform Presentation of Finances; and
(c) estimates and target ranges adopted by the council for each year of the
long-term financial plan with respect to an operating surplus ratio, a net
financial liabilities ratio and an asset sustainability ratio presented in a
manner consistent with the note in the Model Financial Statements entitled
Financial Indicators.
In laypersons terms - we have to prove what we're spending our money on is able to be sustained and that it is budgeted for.
We get audited every year, to ensure this occurs. If I get a qualified audit, I am in all sorts of strife. Of course there are controls in place and management and technical support to ensure this never happens, but the rules are clear.
by The Bedge » Thu Oct 05, 2017 12:16 pm
Dolphin Treasure wrote:Your an attention seeking embarsement..
by morell » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:13 pm
Well sure, but Council don't get to rewrite the Act and/or determine it's contents - which is my point - Local Government cannot dictate federal policy and has to act under the, perhaps broad in your view, legislation provided by the Act. It can provide consultation and be a significant stakeholder, but it can't make policy decisions at that level.Magellan wrote:Well, I take the view the LG Act does not mandate any services per se (as in ‘the council must provide x or else’). The Act leaves that open to the council to resolve what it can provide based on its financial capabilities and the parameters set down by sections 6 to 8 which outline the council’s duties and functions. These are quite broad and written in a way that allows for the council to exercise its discretion based on the realities and pressures of public governance.
There are certainly suggestions as to how it can provide services (e.g waste removal), but they are not expressed in a way that forces council to comply.
To be able to justify how we spend our money would probably mean abiding by the legislation.Magellan wrote:Your quote refers to the provision of strategic management plans, the 10 year plans and management of infrastructure and assets. There is a difference between justifying the expenditure of public money for the sake of accountability and transparency and the political decision by the council body makes in determining how its spends public money.
Good to see you did some homework, though.
by morell » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:14 pm
The Bedge wrote:Magellan 1
Morell 0
by bennymacca » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:23 pm
by morell » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:28 pm
bennymacca wrote:So Morell works for a council?
That makes a lot of sense
by mickey » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:35 pm
What's wrong with council workers!bennymacca wrote:So Morell works for a council?
That makes a lot of sense
by amber_fluid » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:40 pm
morell wrote:bennymacca wrote:So Morell works for a council?
That makes a lot of sense
Worked for a municipal services contractor, a Council, an Engineering consultancy now now a Council again.
by heater31 » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:46 pm
You stick to the sheds where you belongmickey wrote:What's wrong with council workers!bennymacca wrote:So Morell works for a council?
That makes a lot of sense
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