Now it's going to be a postal vote that won't count.

[cracka]

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See! That just shows you how you can manipulate a survey
Just ask the right questions
Here is the real situation
SSM became legal on 19th August 2013 and BANG
http://www.news.com.au/new-zealand-migration-to-australia-soars-40-per-cent/news-story/4d1521c33c37899d443f1aae483b4b41

so you are trying to suggest that ssm in new zealand was the cause of the global financial crisis?

well that settles it then, we obviously cant vote to allow it

Wasn't the GFC in 2008

[tipper]

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See! That just shows you how you can manipulate a survey
Just ask the right questions
Here is the real situation
SSM became legal on 19th August 2013 and BANG
http://www.news.com.au/new-zealand-migration-to-australia-soars-40-per-cent/news-story/4d1521c33c37899d443f1aae483b4b41

so you are trying to suggest that ssm in new zealand was the cause of the global financial crisis?

well that settles it then, we obviously cant vote to allow it

Wasn't the GFC in 2008

that linked story is talking about people migrating here from NZ due to the GFC. im only going on Jimmy's apparent linking of the two things.

[bulldogproud]

Jimmy's right, the plebiscite was liberal policy at the last election, so fair enough that as the party in power they sought to implement it. The reason its not going ahead is the senate, and the reason that's a cluster **** is Turnbull made a miscalculation and called the election at the wrong time. With a majority in both houses, and bada-bing, you get your plebiscite (for better or worse).

The ridiculous thing, though, is that the plebiscite is TOTALLY meaningless. Politicians will still have to vote on it to make it law. Many have said they are going to disregard the results of the plebiscite when they do have this vote. Abbott will vote NO even if 99.9999999% vote Yes in the plebiscite. The same goes for many, many conservatives (Bernardi, Christensen and Abetz have all stated they are going to ignore the plebiscite when they vote). Thus, why waste $122 million on a plebiscite which is going to be disregarded????
Cheers

[Jimmy_041]

See! That just shows you how you can manipulate a survey
Just ask the right questions
Here is the real situation
SSM became legal on 19th August 2013 and BANG
http://www.news.com.au/new-zealand-migration-to-australia-soars-40-per-cent/news-story/4d1521c33c37899d443f1aae483b4b41

so you are trying to suggest that ssm in new zealand was the cause of the global financial crisis?

well that settles it then, we obviously cant vote to allow it

Wasn't the GFC in 2008

that linked story is talking about people migrating here from NZ due to the GFC. im only going on Jimmy's apparent linking of the two things.

I couldn't be ar$ed looking up the ABS on Nett Migration from NZ so I just put that in
Oh, and I forgot to put one of these things in

[Wedgie]

I'm going to fill my envelope with skittles so they can taste the rainbow.

PS Most indigenous people don't want recognition in the constitution, they want a treaty.

Happy to defer to the indigenous leaders as to what they want

"Leaders" is debatable, definitely not government appointed "leaders" IMHO.

[bennymacca]

Conservative left?

Genuinely unsure who you are referring to

Those who identify as Labor because of the traditional industrial/workplace meaning of the word and the associated notions of equity and fairness for workers, but who also have religious convictions and thus are socially conservative on issues like abortion, gay marriage, etc. For example, there's a strong tradition of support for the Labor party among Catholics, who were working class back before and at the time of federation.

Spot on

Soldiers of Jesus immediately come to mind

Most of us Catholics are actually in favour of same-sex marriage, to be honest. Marriage was a term in use well before the Church created the 'SACRAMENT of marriage'. All that needs to happen is for the Church to be allowed to not have to perform same-sex weddings as SACRAMENTS. Then there really is no problem from the Church's point of view. For those who wish to be married through the sacrament of marriage, have the Church perform the wedding. For those who don't want it as a sacrament, have a civil wedding. Although I am a strong ALP voter, I would certainly support Smith's LNP Bill which provided these safeguards for religious communities.
Cheers

Great post.

And Yep, churches won't be forced to marry gay people if they don't want to.

Please go tell your catholic mate tony this.

[RustyCage]

After 86 posts in here I still haven't seen one reason to vote no.

[Dog_ger2]

My upbringing says no.

I understand the problem here.

Call it what you want but not marriage.

Marriage is between a man and a woman.

For love and birth of children.

I like my many peers will vote no.

This is not about equality.

Equality cannot happen having children with the same sex.

It is impossible.

[tipper]

im going to regret this, but here we go:

My upbringing says no.
I understand the problem here.

your upbringing was in a different time, when racism and discriminaation was encouraged, and no, you clearly dont

Marriage is between a man and a woman.

no, its between two consenting adults

For love and birth of children.

I like my many peers will vote no.

This is not about equality.

Equality cannot happen having children with the same sex.

It is impossible.

marriage has nothing to do with having children. you know people have been having children without being married for centuries right? and ther eare a very many people that get married and dont have kids.....

your peers are living in the past, and are discriminating against people that are "different" to you. do you also want to bring back slavery?

i already know more than a handful of same sex couples that have kids. once again you are wrong. any chance you can come out of the 1950's?

[Dog_ger2]

so 2 men or 2 girls can have children?....

I am about to learn something?

How does this effect their psychological upbringing over time?

Somehow tell me your not guilty of abuse.

[Dog_ger2]

One day you will need to hide.

But you will be found.

[stan]

One day you will need to hide.

But you will be found.

You on the cans tonight mate?

[Jimmy_041]

After 86 posts in here I still haven't seen one reason to vote no.

I'll be voting yes because I want to

Not because of the f*^^ing SJW nazis who say Im ignorant on the issue or have no right to have a say
I can see the argument that people like me will vote no just to prove a point
Beginning to see why Trump got elected and BREXIT got up?
The Coalition pledged a plebiscite and won.
I believed in SSM when parliament voted on it last time and Labor caused its downfall
And now these faithless cretins are saying that democracy means nothing

[Q.]

Beginning to see why Trump got elected and BREXIT got up?

No? Same reason for the popularity of Trudeau, Macron or Corbyn? Do tell.

[woodublieve12]

My upbringing says no.

I understand the problem here.

Call it what you want but not marriage.

Marriage is between a man and a woman.

For love and birth of children.

I like my many peers will vote no.

This is not about equality.

Equality cannot happen having children with the same sex.

It is impossible.

Rubbish!!! Biggest load of shit I've heard.

[woodublieve12]

One day you will need to hide.

But you will be found.

Please tell me, how does two gay people getting married affect you??? How will it directly affect your life?

[woodublieve12]

Beginning to see why Trump got elected and BREXIT got up?

Agreed Jimmy, those people push their agenda to the simple minded and they drink it in...

[Jimmy_041]

Beginning to see why Trump got elected and BREXIT got up?

No? Same reason for the popularity of Trudeau, Macron or Corbyn? Do tell.

Correct, you obviously can't.
This is not right v left
They are in that group as well (although Corbyn didn't win)
People are sick of the oligarchy
Career politicians who get rich whilst screwing the people they are meant to serve

[Spargo]

One day you will need to hide.

But you will be found.

Are you saying that same sex couples will need to hide one day?
I'm intrigued to know what will happen when "they're found"...

[cracka]