Round 19, predictions, live scores, shit canning & results.

[Footy Smart]

Where to start...where to start.....

Well played Adelaide, clearly showed why they are premiership favorites, their flag to loose.

Incredibly disappointed in several Port Adelaide players yesterday. The 22 were beaten up but several failed to show anything, anything at all. Impey's gold pass must be handed back in, that's at least 3 stinkers in a row for him. Young showed no offensive pressure at all, the few precious times we did go forward his role as a defensive forward was best described as shit. The Monfries selection, at first, looked to be one to inspire, it was awful and so was he. Pittard used everyone of his possessions to play right into the hands of the Adelaide play book, not willing to take a risk he just bombed to an outnumbered contest time after time. Hombsch out muscled by McGovern on several occasions, not questioning McGovern's ability but man handling the defender isn't his strength, getting up the ground and marking high are, Hombsch was terrible one on one.

Now, while the two ends of the ground struggled, the defenders having no options to escape were because of the midfield lacking the drive to create space and run and then on the rare occasion the ball did get forward the lack of forward pressure allowed an easy exit to unmanned Adelaide mids because the midfield weren't prepared to work and man up. Incredibly disappointing. The most pathetic effort from our club in years, the easy one would be to go back to the '07 grand final, but there's been some pathetic ones since. Losing to Brisbane in middle of '15 and Carlton in the middle of '16 while not the margin, they too were pathetic efforts.

I'll give a pass mark to Robbie Gray whose second half was at least full of effort, Boak had a few moments of a captain trying to will his side along, Polec, often questioned in big matches at least tried to give some run on occasion and when the ball did get some sort of delivery Dixon was at least competing, albeit 4 on 1 at times, mainly due to the shit effort of Young, Impey and Monfries as noted above.

AS for the coaching yesterday it would be pretty tough on Hinkley to judge him given the way the players delivered themselves clearly not ready for the contest.

Adelaide bound for premiership glory this year, not just because of yesterday's game, but they've been on a journey since the Walsh tragedy and there's a few leaders there who clearly won't stop until they get what it is they crave.

I'll be there next week, #weareportadelaide

Boon I know you are fiercely loyal and you backed Hinkley in, but I can’t help thinking, while the players display yesty was certainly not up to standard, Hinkleys performance was/is anywhere near someone that will take your lads further.

Your game plan has been tried, tested and failed against the best sides. There has been no change, no Plan B. Pyke was criticised for it earlier in the year, when the so called Blue Print was formed. He adjusted, and we saw a very different method to Adelaide against Geelong. Your blokes in defence have for weeks/months constantly looked up under pressure with numbers around them with no structure down the ground, just Dixon against 4. If you can’t run it, you can’t score.

As you mentioned, gold passes to players Impey, i also think Hartlett shouldnt be holding back Houston, but also the recycling of Young, Monfries etc. Trengove has no place in the side, no opportunity for a young key FWD to try and work alongside Dixon. Etc also SPP is cooked, he needs a spell.

Am I off the mark? You watch closer than I do

[MW]

Nice to see you have fronted up this morning Booney, Daisy??

He'll come in with something passive aggressive to round out his seasons posting.

I think he and Corona are on their Mad Monday

[woodublieve12]

Oh Hawthorn can't make the finals, *thats a shame


*thank f*** for that.

[woodublieve12]

Looking at the ladder, somehow the swans have the second best defence in the comp... with Richmond being the best by just 3 points. Pretty shocked by that

[morell]

AS for the coaching yesterday it would be pretty tough on Hinkley to judge him given the way the players delivered themselves clearly not ready for the contest.

Great write up mate, all too true. But.

If it isn't Hinkley's job to ensure the players deliver themselves ready for the contest, then what exactly is his job? If this isn't his role and its solely up to the players, then in my mind, he ought to be made redundant as we can save hundreds of thousands of dollars a year.

He is either:

1. Redundant
2. Incompetent

[Booney]

Where to start...where to start.....

Well played Adelaide, clearly showed why they are premiership favorites, their flag to loose.

Incredibly disappointed in several Port Adelaide players yesterday. The 22 were beaten up but several failed to show anything, anything at all. Impey's gold pass must be handed back in, that's at least 3 stinkers in a row for him. Young showed no offensive pressure at all, the few precious times we did go forward his role as a defensive forward was best described as shit. The Monfries selection, at first, looked to be one to inspire, it was awful and so was he. Pittard used everyone of his possessions to play right into the hands of the Adelaide play book, not willing to take a risk he just bombed to an outnumbered contest time after time. Hombsch out muscled by McGovern on several occasions, not questioning McGovern's ability but man handling the defender isn't his strength, getting up the ground and marking high are, Hombsch was terrible one on one.

Now, while the two ends of the ground struggled, the defenders having no options to escape were because of the midfield lacking the drive to create space and run and then on the rare occasion the ball did get forward the lack of forward pressure allowed an easy exit to unmanned Adelaide mids because the midfield weren't prepared to work and man up. Incredibly disappointing. The most pathetic effort from our club in years, the easy one would be to go back to the '07 grand final, but there's been some pathetic ones since. Losing to Brisbane in middle of '15 and Carlton in the middle of '16 while not the margin, they too were pathetic efforts.

I'll give a pass mark to Robbie Gray whose second half was at least full of effort, Boak had a few moments of a captain trying to will his side along, Polec, often questioned in big matches at least tried to give some run on occasion and when the ball did get some sort of delivery Dixon was at least competing, albeit 4 on 1 at times, mainly due to the shit effort of Young, Impey and Monfries as noted above.

AS for the coaching yesterday it would be pretty tough on Hinkley to judge him given the way the players delivered themselves clearly not ready for the contest.

Adelaide bound for premiership glory this year, not just because of yesterday's game, but they've been on a journey since the Walsh tragedy and there's a few leaders there who clearly won't stop until they get what it is they crave.

I'll be there next week, #weareportadelaide

Boon I know you are fiercely loyal and you backed Hinkley in, but I can’t help thinking, while the players display yesty was certainly not up to standard, Hinkleys performance was/is anywhere near someone that will take your lads further.

Your game plan has been tried, tested and failed against the best sides. There has been no change, no Plan B. Pyke was criticised for it earlier in the year, when the so called Blue Print was formed. He adjusted, and we saw a very different method to Adelaide against Geelong. Your blokes in defence have for weeks/months constantly looked up under pressure with numbers around them with no structure down the ground, just Dixon against 4. If you can’t run it, you can’t score.

As you mentioned, gold passes to players Impey, i also think Hartlett shouldnt be holding back Houston, but also the recycling of Young, Monfries etc. Trengove has no place in the side, no opportunity for a young key FWD to try and work alongside Dixon. Etc also SPP is cooked, he needs a spell.

Am I off the mark? You watch closer than I do

I think jumping all over the coach as the be all and end all of your sides problems is the work of the feeble who can't understand the fortunes of an AFL club on field can't simply be bestowed to one man alone. There's a team of coaches, players, etc etc who dictate your fortunes and we're not getting enough output from many of that group, Hinkley being one of them.

I've never rated Bassett, I'm not sure what the hype around him was, Voss hasn't exactly improved our midfield despite (IMO) having some elite talent and quality depth in there ( Wingard, Gray, Wines elite - Ebert, Boak, SPP, Polec quality depth ) and our forward half isn't looking like that of one that can contend deep in September.

Having said that we're simply not good enough at the moment across the board, too many go missing too often and our selection policy ( again, a team headed by Hinkley ) seems reluctant to do anything but rotate the same players in and out while we go nowhere.

I'll see out season 2017 and decide if I continue to back Hinkley, I won't judge him on what happened yesterday though and I can certainly see your point, it seems he might have got what he could out of this group, or, has the group got nothing more to give?

[Booney]

AS for the coaching yesterday it would be pretty tough on Hinkley to judge him given the way the players delivered themselves clearly not ready for the contest.

Great write up mate, all too true. But.

If it isn't Hinkley's job to ensure the players deliver themselves ready for the contest, then what exactly is his job? If this isn't his role, then in my mind, he ought to be made redundant as we can save hundreds of thousands of dollars a year.

He is either:

1. Redundant
2. Incompetent

You seem to have spent enough time around footy, you bang on about *cliche cliche cliche*, how can you then put it solely on the coach to *cliche cliche cliche* his team into a mindset ready to play? That's bullshit. No elite sportsman should need a pep talk to be ready to play, hungover Div 7 grunts might need a wake up call to remind them they're not on the nest or the bong and need to fire up, it's bullshit to think AFL players rely on a coach to get them ready.

[morell]

AS for the coaching yesterday it would be pretty tough on Hinkley to judge him given the way the players delivered themselves clearly not ready for the contest.

Great write up mate, all too true. But.

If it isn't Hinkley's job to ensure the players deliver themselves ready for the contest, then what exactly is his job? If this isn't his role, then in my mind, he ought to be made redundant as we can save hundreds of thousands of dollars a year.

He is either:

1. Redundant
2. Incompetent

You seem to have spent enough time around footy, you bang on about *cliche cliche cliche*, how can you then put it solely on the coach to *cliche cliche cliche* his team into a mindset ready to play? That's bullshit. No elite sportsman should need a pep talk to be ready to play, hungover Div 7 grunts might need a wake up call to remind them they're not on the nest or the bong and need to fire up, it's bullshit to think AFL players rely on a coach to get them ready.

Well then what is his role? It's not about pep talks mate, its about ensuring:

1. Players know what their role is and what to do
2. Players are aware of expectations of them
3. Players are suitably prepared physically
4. Players are suitably prepared mentally
5. Players are given the tools required to execute

and more!

Failed on every one of those 1 through 5.

It's not solely on the coach at all I totally agree. There are many players in that side (as we have discussed an infinitum) that don't deserve to be there on the regular. Pittard, Trengove, SGray, Hartlett, Impey, Young to start. All ought to take muchos blamos for Saturday.

But who keeps putting them there? Who keeps picking them? That's a panel of coaches and they *all* need to be cleared out. I've been very critical of Voss. Our midfield has gone dramatically backwards in his tenure. But eventually, the buck stops with the senior coach. When do we start asking questions of his competence? He has no injuries other than Wingard. He has all the resources he needs. He has the cattle to pick from. The list is in the right age profile.

Nearly every box I can think of Port Adelaide have ticked off the field to ensure Hinkley and *his group of players* have the utmost chance of success.

We don't need a rebuild, we just need new leadership. Look at what that did in 13/14. Enough of the excuses. He is done. So is Voss. So is Nicks. So is a raft of players.

[MW]

Do you administer the "We Are Port Adelaide" FB page morell?

[mots02]

Where to start...where to start.....

Well played Adelaide, clearly showed why they are premiership favorites, their flag to loose.

Incredibly disappointed in several Port Adelaide players yesterday. The 22 were beaten up but several failed to show anything, anything at all. Impey's gold pass must be handed back in, that's at least 3 stinkers in a row for him. Young showed no offensive pressure at all, the few precious times we did go forward his role as a defensive forward was best described as shit. The Monfries selection, at first, looked to be one to inspire, it was awful and so was he. Pittard used everyone of his possessions to play right into the hands of the Adelaide play book, not willing to take a risk he just bombed to an outnumbered contest time after time. Hombsch out muscled by McGovern on several occasions, not questioning McGovern's ability but man handling the defender isn't his strength, getting up the ground and marking high are, Hombsch was terrible one on one.

Now, while the two ends of the ground struggled, the defenders having no options to escape were because of the midfield lacking the drive to create space and run and then on the rare occasion the ball did get forward the lack of forward pressure allowed an easy exit to unmanned Adelaide mids because the midfield weren't prepared to work and man up. Incredibly disappointing. The most pathetic effort from our club in years, the easy one would be to go back to the '07 grand final, but there's been some pathetic ones since. Losing to Brisbane in middle of '15 and Carlton in the middle of '16 while not the margin, they too were pathetic efforts.

I'll give a pass mark to Robbie Gray whose second half was at least full of effort, Boak had a few moments of a captain trying to will his side along, Polec, often questioned in big matches at least tried to give some run on occasion and when the ball did get some sort of delivery Dixon was at least competing, albeit 4 on 1 at times, mainly due to the shit effort of Young, Impey and Monfries as noted above.

AS for the coaching yesterday it would be pretty tough on Hinkley to judge him given the way the players delivered themselves clearly not ready for the contest.

Adelaide bound for premiership glory this year, not just because of yesterday's game, but they've been on a journey since the Walsh tragedy and there's a few leaders there who clearly won't stop until they get what it is they crave.

I'll be there next week, #weareportadelaide

Boon I know you are fiercely loyal and you backed Hinkley in, but I can’t help thinking, while the players display yesty was certainly not up to standard, Hinkleys performance was/is anywhere near someone that will take your lads further.

Your game plan has been tried, tested and failed against the best sides. There has been no change, no Plan B. Pyke was criticised for it earlier in the year, when the so called Blue Print was formed. He adjusted, and we saw a very different method to Adelaide against Geelong. Your blokes in defence have for weeks/months constantly looked up under pressure with numbers around them with no structure down the ground, just Dixon against 4. If you can’t run it, you can’t score.

As you mentioned, gold passes to players Impey, i also think Hartlett shouldnt be holding back Houston, but also the recycling of Young, Monfries etc. Trengove has no place in the side, no opportunity for a young key FWD to try and work alongside Dixon. Etc also SPP is cooked, he needs a spell.

Am I off the mark? You watch closer than I do

I think Port's biggest issue yesterday was that Sloane, Crouch x 2, Douglas and Greenwood as a group dominated Gray, Ebert, PP, Wines and Boak. This should be Ports strength and in those conditions should have been an even greater strength.

[mots02]

AS for the coaching yesterday it would be pretty tough on Hinkley to judge him given the way the players delivered themselves clearly not ready for the contest.

Great write up mate, all too true. But.

If it isn't Hinkley's job to ensure the players deliver themselves ready for the contest, then what exactly is his job? If this isn't his role, then in my mind, he ought to be made redundant as we can save hundreds of thousands of dollars a year.

He is either:

1. Redundant
2. Incompetent

You seem to have spent enough time around footy, you bang on about *cliche cliche cliche*, how can you then put it solely on the coach to *cliche cliche cliche* his team into a mindset ready to play? That's bullshit. No elite sportsman should need a pep talk to be ready to play, hungover Div 7 grunts might need a wake up call to remind them they're not on the nest or the bong and need to fire up, it's bullshit to think AFL players rely on a coach to get them ready.

Well then what is his role? It's not about pep talks mate, its about ensuring:

1. Players know what their role is and what to do
2. Players are aware of expectations of them
3. Players are suitably prepared physically
4. Players are suitably prepared mentally
5. Players are given the tools required to execute

and more!

Failed on every one of those 1 through 5.

It's not solely on the coach at all I totally agree. There are many players in that side (as we have discussed an infinitum) that don't deserve to be there on the regular.[b] Pittard, Trengove, SGray, Hartlett, Impey, Young [/b]to start. All ought to take muchos blamos for Saturday.

But who keeps putting them there? Who keeps picking them? That's a panel of coaches and they *all* need to be cleared out. I've been very critical of Voss. Our midfield has gone dramatically backwards in his tenure. But eventually, the buck stops with the senior coach. When do we start asking questions of his competence? He has no injuries other than Wingard. He has all the resources he needs. He has the cattle to pick from. The list is in the right age profile.

Nearly every box I can think of Port Adelaide have ticked off the field to ensure Hinkley and *his group of players* have the utmost chance of success.

We don't need a rebuild, we just need new leadership. Look at what that did in 13/14. Enough of the excuses. He is done. So is Voss. So is Nicks. So is a raft of players.

Agree with this

[Jim05]

Where to start...where to start.....

Well played Adelaide, clearly showed why they are premiership favorites, their flag to loose.

Incredibly disappointed in several Port Adelaide players yesterday. The 22 were beaten up but several failed to show anything, anything at all. Impey's gold pass must be handed back in, that's at least 3 stinkers in a row for him. Young showed no offensive pressure at all, the few precious times we did go forward his role as a defensive forward was best described as shit. The Monfries selection, at first, looked to be one to inspire, it was awful and so was he. Pittard used everyone of his possessions to play right into the hands of the Adelaide play book, not willing to take a risk he just bombed to an outnumbered contest time after time. Hombsch out muscled by McGovern on several occasions, not questioning McGovern's ability but man handling the defender isn't his strength, getting up the ground and marking high are, Hombsch was terrible one on one.

Now, while the two ends of the ground struggled, the defenders having no options to escape were because of the midfield lacking the drive to create space and run and then on the rare occasion the ball did get forward the lack of forward pressure allowed an easy exit to unmanned Adelaide mids because the midfield weren't prepared to work and man up. Incredibly disappointing. The most pathetic effort from our club in years, the easy one would be to go back to the '07 grand final, but there's been some pathetic ones since. Losing to Brisbane in middle of '15 and Carlton in the middle of '16 while not the margin, they too were pathetic efforts.

I'll give a pass mark to Robbie Gray whose second half was at least full of effort, Boak had a few moments of a captain trying to will his side along, Polec, often questioned in big matches at least tried to give some run on occasion and when the ball did get some sort of delivery Dixon was at least competing, albeit 4 on 1 at times, mainly due to the shit effort of Young, Impey and Monfries as noted above.

AS for the coaching yesterday it would be pretty tough on Hinkley to judge him given the way the players delivered themselves clearly not ready for the contest.

Adelaide bound for premiership glory this year, not just because of yesterday's game, but they've been on a journey since the Walsh tragedy and there's a few leaders there who clearly won't stop until they get what it is they crave.

I'll be there next week, #weareportadelaide

Boon I know you are fiercely loyal and you backed Hinkley in, but I can’t help thinking, while the players display yesty was certainly not up to standard, Hinkleys performance was/is anywhere near someone that will take your lads further.

Your game plan has been tried, tested and failed against the best sides. There has been no change, no Plan B. Pyke was criticised for it earlier in the year, when the so called Blue Print was formed. He adjusted, and we saw a very different method to Adelaide against Geelong. Your blokes in defence have for weeks/months constantly looked up under pressure with numbers around them with no structure down the ground, just Dixon against 4. If you can’t run it, you can’t score.

As you mentioned, gold passes to players Impey, i also think Hartlett shouldnt be holding back Houston, but also the recycling of Young, Monfries etc. Trengove has no place in the side, no opportunity for a young key FWD to try and work alongside Dixon. Etc also SPP is cooked, he needs a spell.

Am I off the mark? You watch closer than I do

I think Port's biggest issue yesterday was that Sloane, Crouch x 2, Douglas and Greenwood as a group dominated Gray, Ebert, PP, Wines and Boak. This should be Ports strength and in those conditions should have been an even greater strength.

As a reward the Crows get a rest against the worst midfield in the comp this week. Don't reckon I'll make it quarter time before leaving the game

[MW]

worst midfield? c'mon mate...

[bennymacca]

worst midfield? c'mon mate...

I've definitely heard that mentioned about Essendon in recent weeks

[Booney]

AS for the coaching yesterday it would be pretty tough on Hinkley to judge him given the way the players delivered themselves clearly not ready for the contest.

Great write up mate, all too true. But.

If it isn't Hinkley's job to ensure the players deliver themselves ready for the contest, then what exactly is his job? If this isn't his role, then in my mind, he ought to be made redundant as we can save hundreds of thousands of dollars a year.

He is either:

1. Redundant
2. Incompetent

You seem to have spent enough time around footy, you bang on about *cliche cliche cliche*, how can you then put it solely on the coach to *cliche cliche cliche* his team into a mindset ready to play? That's bullshit. No elite sportsman should need a pep talk to be ready to play, hungover Div 7 grunts might need a wake up call to remind them they're not on the nest or the bong and need to fire up, it's bullshit to think AFL players rely on a coach to get them ready.

Well then what is his role? It's not about pep talks mate, its about ensuring:

1. Players know what their role is and what to do
2. Players are aware of expectations of them
3. Players are suitably prepared physically
4. Players are suitably prepared mentally
5. Players are given the tools required to execute

and more!

Failed on every one of those 1 through 5.

It's not solely on the coach at all I totally agree. There are many players in that side (as we have discussed an infinitum) that don't deserve to be there on the regular. Pittard, Trengove, SGray, Hartlett, Impey, Young to start. All ought to take muchos blamos for Saturday.

But who keeps putting them there? Who keeps picking them? That's a panel of coaches and they *all* need to be cleared out. I've been very critical of Voss. Our midfield has gone dramatically backwards in his tenure. But eventually, the buck stops with the senior coach. When do we start asking questions of his competence? He has no injuries other than Wingard. He has all the resources he needs. He has the cattle to pick from. The list is in the right age profile.

Nearly every box I can think of Port Adelaide have ticked off the field to ensure Hinkley and *his group of players* have the utmost chance of success.

We don't need a rebuild, we just need new leadership. Look at what that did in 13/14. Enough of the excuses. He is done. So is Voss. So is Nicks. So is a raft of players.

By your own admission you don't watch the Magpies, perhaps do yourself and those who read your posts on here a favor. Get out there and watch a match and then tell me who deserves to come up into the AFL ranks, if not, your opinion isn't an educated one IMO. It's one built on half a picture and that's not sufficient enough to make judgement calls on. Not in my view.

[Jim05]

worst midfield? c'mon mate...

Absolutely it is.
Without Zerrett this week we are well and truly in strife.

[Jim05]

worst midfield? c'mon mate...

I've definitely heard that mentioned about Essendon in recent weeks

Because it's true, smashed most weeks in the midfield. Defence does a capable job holding out the constant attacks and our forwards do their job most of the time. Slaughtered in clearances and contested ball by the second to bottom team on the weekend

[morell]

By your own admission you don't watch the Magpies, perhaps do yourself and those who read your posts on here a favor. Get out there and watch a match and then tell me who deserves to come up into the AFL ranks, if not, your opinion isn't an educated one IMO. It's one built on half a picture and that's not sufficient enough to make judgement calls on. Not in my view.

We wouldn't know, because half the players that have played well in the magpies still don't get a call up. There are plenty of people that do go to Magpies games that very much agree with my viewpoint - you also don't need to go to Mars to know it's red.

It's been proven countless times how form in one doesn't always correlate to form in the other. There have been numerous times where Hinkley could have brought in player x or player y after a solid week or two and he chose to back the status quo. Some players have the skill set to dominate at SANFL level but have no upside to improve at AFL level. Some players are the exact opposite, they will lift and play at whatever level they're playing at.

Howard should have been played.
Eddy should have been played.
Neade should never of been played.
Frampton should have been played.
Pittard should have never been bought back in.
Houston should never have been dropped (x2).
Austin should never of been played.

These examples continue on for days.

There have been structural, selection, cultural and mental issues at Port all season. Many posters have tried to explain this to you and others but have routinely been told that all is well. It's not. Change is needed - Hinkley, Nicks and Voss out to start.

[Brodlach]

If you are thinking Eddy is the missing link you are wwwaaayyyyy off course.

[morell]

If you are thinking Eddy is the missing link you are wwwaaayyyyy off course.

Urghh.

He's not.

The non selection of a role capable second tall forward, is part of the missing link.