by Mark_Beswick » Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:28 pm
by Look Good In Leather » Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:38 pm
Mark_Beswick wrote:During the week as Official SANFL Historian, I asked the budget to reset Port Adelaide WIN/LOSS records from 2011-2017.
In 2010, The Port Adelaide Football Club wanted to formalise a Reserves team in the SANFL. In doing so, it gave up its share in Football Park, its place on the Football Commission, its Junior Zones and signed up to an agreement with the SANFL under its AFL Parent Licence as the “Powers” seconds side and had agreements to run an Academy Side in the SANFL Reserves competition. The Old Port Adelaide amalgamated its assets (Prince of Wales Hotel) under its “One Club” drive and achieved its aim.
It is therefore time to realise that the stats for this side needed amending on official SANFL records and publications. it was incumbent to make sure that we record our history with accuracy and note that Port Adelaide (Magpies) must be seen as a new SANFL entity since 2011 seeking to win its first Senior Football Premiership.
The revised win / loss stats should be adopted in this weeks Football Budget and wasnt a decision made by the editor or the budget so please don't hassle them.
by Booney » Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:40 pm
Mark_Beswick wrote:During the week as Official SANFL Historian, I asked the budget to reset Port Adelaide WIN/LOSS records from 2011-2017.
In 2010, The Port Adelaide Football Club wanted to formalise a Reserves team in the SANFL. In doing so, it gave up its share in Football Park, its place on the Football Commission, its Junior Zones and signed up to an agreement with the SANFL under its AFL Parent Licence as the “Powers” seconds side and had agreements to run an Academy Side in the SANFL Reserves competition. The Old Port Adelaide amalgamated its assets (Prince of Wales Hotel) under its “One Club” drive and achieved its aim.
It is therefore time to realise that the stats for this side needed amending on official SANFL records and publications. it was incumbent to make sure that we record our history with accuracy and note that Port Adelaide (Magpies) must be seen as a new SANFL entity since 2011 seeking to win its first Senior Football Premiership.
The revised win / loss stats should be adopted in this weeks Football Budget and wasnt a decision made by the editor or the budget so please don't hassle them.
by Mark_Beswick » Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:43 pm
by Booney » Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:48 pm
Mark_Beswick wrote:Officially for the 2011 season although there were those transfers of players that began happening a year or two before -
by scott » Fri Jun 30, 2017 6:08 pm
by PhilH » Fri Jun 30, 2017 7:11 pm
by Booney » Fri Jun 30, 2017 7:34 pm
PhilH wrote:Interesting, the problem is there are at least 5 different start dates.
1877 - when SAFA association commenced
1907 - the consensus start date for stats for every record book done since the 1970's
1997 - when the Port Adelaide Football clubs elite team played AFL, new Magpies entity formed
2011 - as outlined above
2014 - when Magpies became Power reserves
All of these have reasonably strong arguments attached to them.
I should add as the one who produces the weekly stats report for media covering SANFL (Inc Football Budget) which includes head to head stats.
the instructions I received back in 2014 was to keep records of Port Magpies in SANFL league back to 1907.
Should I be advised to change by the SANFL officials I co-ordinate with then I will act accordingly.
by Wedgie » Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:33 pm
by Aerie » Sat Jul 01, 2017 12:32 pm
by RB » Sat Jul 01, 2017 4:14 pm
by johntheclaret » Sat Jul 01, 2017 6:25 pm
by Harry the Horse » Sat Jul 01, 2017 6:43 pm
Aerie wrote:Has to be 2014 when on field they became a Reserves team. That was the most significant change with regards to their ability to win or lose a game as they play with a different set of rules to the other teams in the "competition" when it comes to compiling a playing list.
Becoming Port Magpies in 1997 was obviously a big change, but on field probably not heaps more than Glenelg in 1991 and their ability to compile a playing list was at least similar to the other SANFL clubs at the time.
by Ian » Sat Jul 01, 2017 7:59 pm
scott wrote:Who specifically made the decision that Port Adelaide's history prior to 2011 doesn't count anymore? A group of people? Just one person?
by Mark_Beswick » Sat Jul 01, 2017 8:20 pm
by CUTTERMAN » Sun Jul 02, 2017 3:09 pm
by Mark_Beswick » Sun Jul 02, 2017 7:06 pm
by therisingblues » Sun Jul 02, 2017 11:34 pm
Mark_Beswick wrote:Ports new annual reports start 2011.
Sturts annual report at end of 2010 talks about the new Port Adelaide as do some other club annual reports.
The 2010 Port Adelaide annual report was the last time it reported as a separate entity.
From 2011 on, you will note all Magpie accounts are part of the AFL/Powers accounts. You wil also see tokenistic references to the Maggies which gets smaller each year although still much larger than what the crows present in their year-book/report.
I have all the Power and Magpie annual reports from this period as well as all other sanfl clubs from 1970 onwards. While 2014 would sit well, historically the club starts 2011 which I agree is messy but accuarte.
by Booney » Mon Jul 03, 2017 7:55 am
Mark_Beswick wrote:Ports new annual reports start 2011.
Sturts annual report at end of 2010 talks about the new Port Adelaide as do some other club annual reports.
The 2010 Port Adelaide annual report was the last time it reported as a separate entity.
From 2011 on, you will note all Magpie accounts are part of the AFL/Powers accounts. You wil also see tokenistic references to the Maggies which gets smaller each year although still much larger than what the crows present in their year-book/report.
I have all the Power and Magpie annual reports from this period as well as all other sanfl clubs from 1970 onwards. While 2014 would sit well, historically the club starts 2011 which I agree is messy but accuarte.
by Booney » Mon Jul 03, 2017 9:03 am
Wedgie wrote:It's not even a point of contention, the original PAFC that changes its name to the PAMFC got exterminated by the franchise that took over their name. No discussion, no argument, it just happened.
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