Rd 20 2007 Central v South

[Aerie]

I think South's heavy training load recently will count against them in this game.

[Grahaml]

Essentially the dogs don't care about the 2 points, it's more about the finals preparation. Of course, part of an ideal finals preparation is winning games, so the dogs will be eager to win this, follow the team plan, execute skills better than against North and while I don't expect them to run south of their legs, the boys should be expected to work a bit harder than the North game. Although getting over the flu might go some way to helping that! If we get Griffin back it will help immensely.

[BPBRB]

If we get Griffin back it will help immensely.

You will need him for sure because I think that without him your rucks look ordinary based on last Sat and that as supported with the hitout stats.

[bulldogproud]

BP, our rucks looked just as bad in the GF that we beat the Eagles by 20 goals in, hitouts-wise at least. Central rucks have always been known for the work they do around the ground (particularly Buckets) rather than hit-outs. I think you will find that despite losing the hitouts, we tend to win our fair share of clearances. No good getting the hitout if the opposition takes it away.
Cheers

[BPBRB]

BP, our rucks looked just as bad in the GF that we beat the Eagles by 20 goals in, hitouts-wise at least. Central rucks have always been known for the work they do around the ground (particularly Buckets) rather than hit-outs. I think you will find that despite losing the hitouts, we tend to win our fair share of clearances. No good getting the hitout if the opposition takes it away.
Cheers

I agree with what you are saying but I don't think even Centrals can afford to give up the ratio they did last week come finals against a good midfield - many of those hitouts were around the ground. I thought clearly we won the majority of clearances last week which has been rare of late - it did have something to do with Jimmy Allan coming back in!

[bulldogproud]

It also doesn't help when your number one ruckman is in the Crows and your number two ruckman does his knee during the game.
Cheers

[G]

No matter what the Centrals rucks do, you can be sure they dont finish a game with a combined stats tally of 1 kick, 1 mark and 7 handballs like our dominant duo.

[BPBRB]

It also doesn't help when your number one ruckman is in the Crows and your number two ruckman does his knee during the game.
Cheers

A bit technical. Griffen is a Crows player - you can hardly call him your No. 1 Ruckman like we couldn't rely on or call Hudson our No. 1. Giles was a bit unlucky going down but that was late when the game had been sorted. Maybe Schell should have had a run in the ruck like Gilly does occasionally at North, Schell has a great vertical leap and is around 194 cm or so he could be a very good option IMO plus he could run back and fwd to mark and be very dangerous to run with and try and cover? You have enough other height in Grima, Lawry, Sibenaler, Havelberg and Hayes not to impact too much either up fwd or down back.

As G said our ruckman need to do more around the grounds. I thought both gave good second and third efforts re tackling etc in an daround the ruck contests but they do not take enough marks around the ground and it's got to the stage both won't even kick unless they have no other option.

[Grahaml]

Personally I don't give a stuff about hit outs. Most overrated stat in the history of the game IMHO. Hitouts to advantage tells a different story, and the SANFL ruckmen would have a couple a game at best. The dogs get excellent value out of MacKenzie around the ground, Giles is a good forward option and Griffin gets a lot of the ball on the ground. I'd happily lose the hitouts 40-10 with the contributions around the ground these guys give us. I still think the ruckmen are needed, but mostly to stop the opposition from getting many hit outs to advantage and generally get in the way of the other team.

[bulldogproud]

Well said, Graham. My thoughts precisely! Lindsay won just about every tap in the GF which we won by 20 goals but virtually none were to advantage. I much prefer a ruckman like Buckets who gives so much around the ground with his marking, tackling etc.
Cheers

[bulldogproud]

BP, I include Griffen as one of our ruckman as once Hudson is back with the Crows, Griffen will drop back to us. As he is likely to play finals with us, it is reasonable to include him. Btw, there is a chance Westhoff could also be used in the ruck (on occasion) if the Power let him play for us.
Cheers

[Matt the Panther]

I think this could well beat the 196 odd points we got flogged by a couple of years back.

We were shit then, but the situation wasn't quite this dire.
God help us.

[Grahaml]

I doubt it will be as bad as that. I would have thought a 10 goal win to the dogs would be the point at which you would be disappointed, and anything less something to build on. That game you were 1 player short the whole game, and that player happened to be your best player in dynamic form. Only reason Brogan was playing SANFL then was because Primus and Lade were holding the power spots. Brogan would get 30 touches and 10 marks each game it seemed. Losing him was a massive blow. Can't imagine you being unlucky enough to lose a player in the warm up this time.

[bulldogproud]

Plus being a night game, and on a wet night at that, I don't think there will be a big margin.
Cheers

[Rucciangelo]

Not wanting to sound arrogant, but barring Central being on the end of consecutive 20 goal thrashings the over the next few weeks, the scoreboards are irrelevant. 'Captain Obvious' time, but the games may (should?) be seen as no more than good hard training runs, making the best of (possibly) having only one match in the five weeks leading (hopefully) into the Grand Final. Can't see the 'dogs taking South lightly, despite recent form.

Mate the only decent encounter you have in your run to the finals is Centrals v Sturt in Round 21, then the Legs and a Bye. Hardly what I would call great preparation for the finals, particularly when the 4 other contenders have tougher competition through the weeks.

[braveheart]

Well said, Graham. My thoughts precisely! Lindsay won just about every tap in the GF which we won by 20 goals but virtually none were to advantage. I much prefer a ruckman like Buckets who gives so much around the ground with his marking, tackling etc.
Cheers

that was the dogs game plan once the eagles made the GF, they practiced that the week before the GF, not in veiw of the public though behind closed doors,and at one stage matt slade was going to ruck but how silly would that of looked .

[Wedgie]

CENTRAL v SOUTH
6.30pm, Saturday August 18th @ Hamra Homes Oval, Elizabeth

All Time Record : Played 103, Central won 57, South won 45, Drawn 1
All Time @ Hamra Homes : Played 39, Central won 27, South won 12
All Recent Encounters : Central have won 15 of the last 17
Recent @ Hamra Homes : Central have won last 8, South last win @Hamra Homes Rd 2 (April 3) 1999

Recent Results
2007 Rd 11 June 17 @ Hickinbotham Central 14.11.95 d South 10.14.74 by 21pts
2007 Rd 2 April 14 @ Hamra Homes Central 16.14.110 d South 7.9.51 by 59pts
2006 Rd 17 July 29 @ Hamra Homes Central 19.9.123 d South 12.8.80 by 43pts
2006 Rd 8 May 20 @ Noarlunga South 20.7.127 d Central 10.11.71 by 56pts
2005 Rd 18 July 30 @ NAP Central 23.13.151 d South 7.5.47 by 104pts

Last Draw
1986 Rd 10 June 7 @ Football Pk Central 12.13.85 v South 12.13.85

RECORDS Central on left, South on right
Highest Score 35.18.228 (Rd14 July9 1988 @El) 27.21.183 (Rd16 July16 1977 @Ad)
Lowest Score 3.7.25 (Rd22 Sept21978 @El) 4.6.30 (Rd9 May25 2002 @El)
Highest Losing Score 23.13.151 (Rd14 July10 1976 @Ad) 16.20.116 (Rd4 Apr24 1976 @El)
Lowest Winning Score 9.20.74 (Rd18 Aug21 1965 @El) 7.8.50 (Rd22 Sept2 1978 @El)
Biggest Winning Margin 195pts (Rd9 May25 2002 @El) 107pts (Rd16 July16 1977 @Ad)

RUN HOME Rd 21 Rd 22 Rd 23
Central v Sturt @ HH v Norwood @ Coop BYE
South BYE v Eagles @ Wdvl v Norwood @ Hick

BROADCAST ON 1197AM RPH ADELAIDE

[smac]

Griffen has been dropped from the Crows side for this week, quite timely I reckon.

[cennals05]

Centrals team for the game

FF: Slade, Havelberg, Grima
HF: O'Sullivan, Lawry, J.Gowans
C: Ware, C.Gowans, L.Westhoff
HB: Switala, Schell, Thomas
FB: Cochrane, Sibenaler, Hayes

Rucks: Griffin, Symes, Callinan
Int: Dutschke, Obst, Mackenzie, Williams, Wilson

[saintal]

In: Elliott, Crabb, Hunter
Out: Illjecsen, Hateley, Jacques (?)

$10.00 on offer for a south win