by Booney » Tue May 16, 2017 1:00 pm
by human_torpedo » Tue May 16, 2017 1:00 pm
by JK » Tue May 16, 2017 1:03 pm
MW wrote:Country league clubs are much richer than SANFL clubs. The money out there is ridiculous. My father in law used to be a country club president and they have farms set up owned by the club, but run by farmers who support the club. The money they generate from these farms is used to pay the players.
I guess SANFL clubs are trying to do similar with the pokies. Looking at the profit/loss of many clubs, it's not working whatever they are doing.
by JK » Tue May 16, 2017 1:04 pm
Booney wrote:Where would Westies, the Bays or Norwood find $300-500k per year to pay players "big" wages?
by Booney » Tue May 16, 2017 1:05 pm
human_torpedo wrote:Serious question..
IF the SANFL were to as of 2018 remove the AFL Reserves sides and up the salary cap to say $1m just as a round figure.. Would that bring crowds back? Would that see the competition flourish? How many clubs could sustain player payments per season of around the $1m mark for example?
And don't come back with 'The AFL clubs have ruined it all' because that is wearing thin. The SANFL has been on a steady decline for some time before the AFL clubs entry. YES, I agree that they have sped up the process and are to blame in the lack of integrity seen in the competition now. But would the SANFL honestly flourish if the above happened as of 2018?
by saintal » Tue May 16, 2017 1:07 pm
human_torpedo wrote:Serious question..
IF the SANFL were to as of 2018 remove the AFL Reserves sides and up the salary cap to say $1m just as a round figure.. Would that bring crowds back? Would that see the competition flourish? How many clubs could sustain player payments per season of around the $1m mark for example?
And don't come back with 'The AFL clubs have ruined it all' because that is wearing thin. The SANFL has been on a steady decline for some time before the AFL clubs entry. YES, I agree that they have sped up the process and are to blame in the lack of integrity seen in the competition now. But would the SANFL honestly flourish if the above happened as of 2018?
by human_torpedo » Tue May 16, 2017 1:11 pm
saintal wrote:human_torpedo wrote:Serious question..
IF the SANFL were to as of 2018 remove the AFL Reserves sides and up the salary cap to say $1m just as a round figure.. Would that bring crowds back? Would that see the competition flourish? How many clubs could sustain player payments per season of around the $1m mark for example?
And don't come back with 'The AFL clubs have ruined it all' because that is wearing thin. The SANFL has been on a steady decline for some time before the AFL clubs entry. YES, I agree that they have sped up the process and are to blame in the lack of integrity seen in the competition now. But would the SANFL honestly flourish if the above happened as of 2018?
What is your basis for that statement? Genuine question..
by am Bays » Tue May 16, 2017 1:20 pm
Booney wrote:human_torpedo wrote:Serious question..
IF the SANFL were to as of 2018 remove the AFL Reserves sides and up the salary cap to say $1m just as a round figure.. Would that bring crowds back? Would that see the competition flourish? How many clubs could sustain player payments per season of around the $1m mark for example?
And don't come back with 'The AFL clubs have ruined it all' because that is wearing thin. The SANFL has been on a steady decline for some time before the AFL clubs entry. YES, I agree that they have sped up the process and are to blame in the lack of integrity seen in the competition now. But would the SANFL honestly flourish if the above happened as of 2018?
Where the **** are the clubs finding $1m for a salary cap?!?!?!
by saintal » Tue May 16, 2017 1:26 pm
human_torpedo wrote:saintal wrote:human_torpedo wrote:Serious question..
IF the SANFL were to as of 2018 remove the AFL Reserves sides and up the salary cap to say $1m just as a round figure.. Would that bring crowds back? Would that see the competition flourish? How many clubs could sustain player payments per season of around the $1m mark for example?
And don't come back with 'The AFL clubs have ruined it all' because that is wearing thin. The SANFL has been on a steady decline for some time before the AFL clubs entry. YES, I agree that they have sped up the process and are to blame in the lack of integrity seen in the competition now. But would the SANFL honestly flourish if the above happened as of 2018?
What is your basis for that statement? Genuine question..
Honestly, just went by crowd figures/attendance. Happy to be proven wrong but my gut feel says membership numbers and sponsorship revenue have either dropped or have been far greater to sustain..
Happy to be proven wrong though, but that specific line had a fair bit of gut feel about it
by MW » Tue May 16, 2017 1:26 pm
by tipper » Tue May 16, 2017 1:28 pm
morell wrote:I've said at least three times now that the AFL reserves has impacted crowd numbers. I am really not sure how much clearer I can be.
What I am saying is it really isn't the biggest issue affecting the SANFL. You're buried in minutiae and micro level stuff and ignoring the macro.
by Dutchy » Tue May 16, 2017 1:30 pm
by tipper » Tue May 16, 2017 1:36 pm
morell wrote:Which could be ripped up by the AFL in about 20 seconds should they decide the structure here isn't working.tipper wrote:morell wrote:The pathways for kids is very broad. You have your junior grassroots club, school footy and auskick.
I think we will see more a more resources poured into grassroots junior development. So your PHOS Camdens, Paynehams, etc as the main vehicle for junior development, then I think there will be an elite junior comp setup, like the TAC cup in Victoria, for the final phase before the AFL.
yes and no. to get drafted isnt there an agreement in place that players have to be on an sanfl list? they cant get drafted from the ammos. sanfl is still the final step in the pathway before afl.Actually it hasnt. Numbers of SA kids getting drafted to the AFL are decreasing. We just had *6* kids drafted in 2016. Six. Let that sink in.tipper wrote:seems to have worked well so far. why trash the sanfl, and do things the way victoria do them? just because? is the afl really that threatened by the sanfl getting 3k people to its games that it has to try to diminsh it further? why cant the sanfl be a viable comp, as well as the afl doing well? why cant we have both?Sure.tipper wrote:instead, you are planning the dismantling of the entire structure of sa footy, all so it can be further controlled by afl house, without any proven benefits to footy in this state. find a solution for the afl ressies, that doesnt kill off over 100 years of footy in south australia. surely for someone as smart as you it shouldnt be that hard should it?
1. Increase AFL squads to 65, remove rookie list but instead have a list of dedicated reserves players. Players can be upgraded or downgraded.
2. Include mid year AFL top up draft to replace injuries.
3. Fund AFL Reserves - perhaps sell the rights to the games to another TV channel. Ensure branding is consistent.
4. Merge SANFL with AdFL, make current SANFL teams the "Premier League", include promotion and relegation.
5. Remove/merge SANFL junior structure with AdFL junior development.
6. Instill Elite U18s 8 team comp for selected junior talent designed around AFL draft.
#3 is the hard one as others have mentioned.
You can still go and watch the Roosters play at Prospect and sing their song. Your kids can still play for them, but it would be more streamlined/sustainable and designed around ensuring the AFL is the pinnacle and the Crows and Power are able to be competitive with the other sides - not SANFL traditions.
by UK Fan » Tue May 16, 2017 1:37 pm
morell wrote:You provided an op-ed piece. Not a citation. Might as well type up a blog and link that. You then stated I should look up the SANFL financial statements, which I did, and nothing in there added up to 16M either.
You have now changed your argument - as shown by your original post being edited 3 times - to try and claim that you weren't inferring Port received 16M in bail out money to now fluff it out to be some sort of wishy washy "cost to sa football". Whatever that means. I suspect that is because you've taken a Whicker comment as gospel and now realise it isn't quite accurate.
I, however, did provide an SANFL link which shows Port paid 6M to the SANFL for its license. Despite your claims that was exaggerated.
Your new argument states that "SA Football wasted 16M on Port". Then you just now admit that a lot of that money was for the Crows and that a large swathe of it was from the AFL in the form of a loan/grant.
So all in all SA Football didn't waste anything like 16M on Port - that was just your blinkered and myopic football anti-Port worldview talking and a bit of Whicker propaganda. Once you factor in Port paying 6M for the license it's balanced out at best for the SANFL and if anything the money the SANFL get through their SMA deal at the AO the SANFL are probably in front.
As for your questions:
1. Rucci's job is to sell papers. He does this either by flaming the Crows supporter base or writing anti-Port articles. An accurate and detailed account of money transfers really isn't something your average Advertiser reader wants to digest over the Sunday morning tea and crumpets, especially if it doesn't feed into the anti-Port echo-chamber.
2. See #1
3. See #1
4. Koch's job is to promote Port Adelaide as a brand, improve the bottom line and move on, most of this happened before his tenure. He also had to molly coddle the SANFL to get the AO deal over the line. Koch is strategic and pragmatic - going into historical financial palaver would do him and the club no good.
5. See #4.
No, only a teeny tiny minority of old school sad old men SANFL supporters tow your anti Port line. Many of them have seemingly congregated in this thread. The rest of the football community has moved on. Just like Port. I suggest you do too.
Perhaps come over the to the D7 thread and make your bones, they're a bit smarter there.
fester69 wrote: I'm full of "pish and wind" !!You can call me weak !!
MW wrote: Well call me a special asshole!.
Booney wrote: I'm a happy clapper **** stick.
by human_torpedo » Tue May 16, 2017 1:37 pm
Dutchy wrote:Strip back all the financials and the crowd sizes etc and you still have 2 teams who do not care if they win or lose in a once proud competition.
That itself is enough for me not to support it financially.
by MW » Tue May 16, 2017 1:40 pm
by Booney » Tue May 16, 2017 1:43 pm
UK Fan wrote:And leave the SANFLs issues to the adults.
by UK Fan » Tue May 16, 2017 1:49 pm
Booney wrote:UK Fan wrote:And leave the SANFLs issues to the adults.
Yeah, so we can throw our toys out the cot. Or make a banner. We'll show 'em!
fester69 wrote: I'm full of "pish and wind" !!You can call me weak !!
MW wrote: Well call me a special asshole!.
Booney wrote: I'm a happy clapper **** stick.
by MW » Tue May 16, 2017 1:51 pm
by Booney » Tue May 16, 2017 1:52 pm
UK Fan wrote:Booney wrote:UK Fan wrote:And leave the SANFLs issues to the adults.
Yeah, so we can throw our toys out the cot. Or make a banner. We'll show 'em!
Maybe we should all walk from rundle mall holding hands to adelaide oval on match days.
That will show them.
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