by saintal » Sat Apr 22, 2017 12:29 am
by Kahuna » Sat Apr 22, 2017 9:19 am
by UK Fan » Sat Apr 22, 2017 12:34 pm
fester69 wrote: I'm full of "pish and wind" !!You can call me weak !!
MW wrote: Well call me a special asshole!.
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by StrayDog » Sat Apr 22, 2017 2:56 pm
by johntheclaret » Sat Apr 22, 2017 6:53 pm
UK Fan wrote:Booney wrote:UK Fan wrote:We've had 300 pages of football discussion on this thread alone dumbass.
https://memesuper.com/download/3aa07a5e ... 5d18c.html
Another constructive little contribution.
Until Wedgie comes up with a website http://www.blindlydefendingpafcbydummies.com.au
I Guess you're stuck with us buddy.
by johntheclaret » Sat Apr 22, 2017 7:28 pm
Magellan wrote:Here 's the article in all its glory:
Chris Schacht: Adelaide Football Club, Port Adelaide Football Club and SACA members must demand constitutional change
WHO runs the Adelaide and Port Adelaide football clubs?
If you think it is the 120,000 souls who form the two South Australian AFL clubs’ membership bases, then you are wrong.
The AFL Commission is the sole owner and controlling shareholder of the Crows and Power.
This means the 120,000 members spread across the great divide in SA football share one common theme.
They do not have any effective say in who manages and operates their clubs.
It is absolutely ironical that the two AFL football clubs in South Australia are not owned by any South Australians. They are owned by the AFL Commission, which has at present no South Australian as a director.
The AFL Commission has absolute power to appoint the majority of directors in each club. In the case of the Adelaide Football Club, the so-called members can elect two of the nine directors in a postal ballot.
But even after these directors are elected, their final appointment must be approved by the AFL Commission.
The remaining board members are appointed by the AFL on the recommendation of the existing directors at the two clubs. In recent months three new directors have been appointed to the Crows board. No notice was given to the members that new directors were to be appointed. Management at West Lakes did not seek registration of interest from any club member as to whom they wished to be considered for any of these vacancies.
Seven of the nine directors never have had to face a ballot by the club members.
The 60,000 members at each club are no more than subscribers who buy tickets to attend a football match at Adelaide Oval.
Recently, the Adelaide Football Club held its annual meeting at Adelaide Oval. This consisted only of the existing board members plus a representative of the AFL Commission.
The AFL, as the sole shareholder, did not send a representative to the meeting. It appointed one of the existing directors as its proxy. The session in essence was a private meeting with only the directors present.
The club’s annual report and financial statement was approved by the board, but not circulated to the so-called 60,000 members for their information. The annual report was adopted by the sole shareholder, who in this case was the AFL proxy.
If the Adelaide Football Club was a publicly listed company the annual report and financial statements would be publicly available to all members or shareholders before the meeting.
The words of the Crows club song, “we are the pride of South Australia”, are particularly ironic considering that no South Australian is a club shareholder.
By comparison, several of the original AFL clubs in Victoria, such as Hawthorn, still have a constitution which allows their members to vote for their directors. There also is a term limit on all board members including the chairman.
Clearly, the Hawthorn members are committed to ensure that their club runs well and as a result they have won four premierships in the past 10 years.
The Crows have not played in a grand final since 1998.
Either all AFL football clubs should have a membership and governance structure like Hawthorn or all football clubs have to be owned by the AFL in the same way as Adelaide and Port Adelaide. Otherwise, there is a two-tiered system of governance which is not fair.
Recently a select committee of the South Australian Parliament held a public inquiry into the governance of the South Australian Cricket Association (SACA). The report was scathing in the way the SACA board manipulated the election process of board members.
SA taxpayers have directly contributed over half a billion dollars to build a new stadium at Adelaide Oval, to the absolute advantage of the Crows, Port Power and SACA.
Taxpayers, as well as club members, have a public right to know that their sporting clubs are democratically run.
In South Australia the members of the Adelaide Football Club, Port Adelaide Football Club and SACA must demand constitutional change so that they, the members, truly have an effective say in the ownership and running of their clubs.
by Gozu » Sat Apr 22, 2017 7:31 pm
UK Fan wrote:If there is one positive out of the AfL reserves incursion it is the notion that an afl reserves comp will destroy the status our league is rubbish. I've maintained for years an independent SANFL with no afl players/affiliation will be not only the second best league but the envy of every traditional state league in Australia.
by Spargo » Sat Apr 22, 2017 8:02 pm
Gozu wrote:UK Fan wrote:If there is one positive out of the AfL reserves incursion it is the notion that an afl reserves comp will destroy the status our league is rubbish. I've maintained for years an independent SANFL with no afl players/affiliation will be not only the second best league but the envy of every traditional state league in Australia.
I'm not sticking up for the AFL sides I think the evidence is in and it was the wrong decision and the system of farming out the AFL players to the various SANFL sides worked much better but do you honestly think the SANFL would last longer than five minutes if the AFL set up a reserves comp?
Overnight the SANFL would become a third string comp and the AFL and it's media partners would ensure the comp would die a swift death. I don't like the idea of bending over to the AFL but that is the reality of the footy landscape, they hold all the power and unfortunately you've got to get on the teat whilst trying to keep as much of your integrity as possible.
by Jim05 » Sat Apr 22, 2017 8:11 pm
Spargo wrote:Gozu wrote:UK Fan wrote:If there is one positive out of the AfL reserves incursion it is the notion that an afl reserves comp will destroy the status our league is rubbish. I've maintained for years an independent SANFL with no afl players/affiliation will be not only the second best league but the envy of every traditional state league in Australia.
I'm not sticking up for the AFL sides I think the evidence is in and it was the wrong decision and the system of farming out the AFL players to the various SANFL sides worked much better but do you honestly think the SANFL would last longer than five minutes if the AFL set up a reserves comp?
Overnight the SANFL would become a third string comp and the AFL and it's media partners would ensure the comp would die a swift death. I don't like the idea of bending over to the AFL but that is the reality of the footy landscape, they hold all the power and unfortunately you've got to get on the teat whilst trying to keep as much of your integrity as possible.
I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees.
by therisingblues » Sat Apr 22, 2017 9:34 pm
Gozu wrote:UK Fan wrote:If there is one positive out of the AfL reserves incursion it is the notion that an afl reserves comp will destroy the status our league is rubbish. I've maintained for years an independent SANFL with no afl players/affiliation will be not only the second best league but the envy of every traditional state league in Australia.
I'm not sticking up for the AFL sides I think the evidence is in and it was the wrong decision and the system of farming out the AFL players to the various SANFL sides worked much better but do you honestly think the SANFL would last longer than five minutes if the AFL set up a reserves comp?
Overnight the SANFL would become a third string comp and the AFL and it's media partners would ensure the comp would die a swift death. I don't like the idea of bending over to the AFL but that is the reality of the footy landscape, they hold all the power and unfortunately you've got to get on the teat whilst trying to keep as much of your integrity as possible.
by Magellan » Sun Apr 23, 2017 12:50 am
Jim05 wrote:Spargo wrote:Gozu wrote:UK Fan wrote:If there is one positive out of the AfL reserves incursion it is the notion that an afl reserves comp will destroy the status our league is rubbish. I've maintained for years an independent SANFL with no afl players/affiliation will be not only the second best league but the envy of every traditional state league in Australia.
I'm not sticking up for the AFL sides I think the evidence is in and it was the wrong decision and the system of farming out the AFL players to the various SANFL sides worked much better but do you honestly think the SANFL would last longer than five minutes if the AFL set up a reserves comp?
Overnight the SANFL would become a third string comp and the AFL and it's media partners would ensure the comp would die a swift death. I don't like the idea of bending over to the AFL but that is the reality of the footy landscape, they hold all the power and unfortunately you've got to get on the teat whilst trying to keep as much of your integrity as possible.
I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees.
Yep, have said this for ages.
by UK Fan » Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:40 am
Gozu wrote:UK Fan wrote:If there is one positive out of the AfL reserves incursion it is the notion that an afl reserves comp will destroy the status our league is rubbish. I've maintained for years an independent SANFL with no afl players/affiliation will be not only the second best league but the envy of every traditional state league in Australia.
I'm not sticking up for the AFL sides I think the evidence is in and it was the wrong decision and the system of farming out the AFL players to the various SANFL sides worked much better but do you honestly think the SANFL would last longer than five minutes if the AFL set up a reserves comp?
Overnight the SANFL would become a third string comp and the AFL and it's media partners would ensure the comp would die a swift death. I don't like the idea of bending over to the AFL but that is the reality of the footy landscape, they hold all the power and unfortunately you've got to get on the teat whilst trying to keep as much of your integrity as possible.
fester69 wrote: I'm full of "pish and wind" !!You can call me weak !!
MW wrote: Well call me a special asshole!.
Booney wrote: I'm a happy clapper **** stick.
by UK Fan » Sun Apr 23, 2017 10:11 am
stan wrote:UK Fan wrote:In fairness considering how poorly Port have been run in the past you wouldnt really want them to have run of the board now would you?
PAFC incompetence is irrelevant really.
They were encouraged to overspend by AD and the AFL for years. Then the afl used PAFC poor financial position as the basis on the value they placed on their licence when purchasing it back.
Freaking genius move by Victorians. And of course 100% supported by Olsen and PAFCs vic controlled board wonderful Safooty servants they are.
One Question on the crows though Stan ???
They are making millions every year as promised and using your justification for pafcs board.
So why have the afl taken the crows over ???
Thoughts
fester69 wrote: I'm full of "pish and wind" !!You can call me weak !!
MW wrote: Well call me a special asshole!.
Booney wrote: I'm a happy clapper **** stick.
by Dutchy » Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:04 pm
Gozu wrote:UK Fan wrote:If there is one positive out of the AfL reserves incursion it is the notion that an afl reserves comp will destroy the status our league is rubbish. I've maintained for years an independent SANFL with no afl players/affiliation will be not only the second best league but the envy of every traditional state league in Australia.
I'm not sticking up for the AFL sides I think the evidence is in and it was the wrong decision and the system of farming out the AFL players to the various SANFL sides worked much better but do you honestly think the SANFL would last longer than five minutes if the AFL set up a reserves comp?
Overnight the SANFL would become a third string comp and the AFL and it's media partners would ensure the comp would die a swift death. I don't like the idea of bending over to the AFL but that is the reality of the footy landscape, they hold all the power and unfortunately you've got to get on the teat whilst trying to keep as much of your integrity as possible.
by mighty_tiger_79 » Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:15 pm
by Gozu » Sun Apr 23, 2017 10:11 pm
Dutchy wrote:Gozu wrote:UK Fan wrote:If there is one positive out of the AfL reserves incursion it is the notion that an afl reserves comp will destroy the status our league is rubbish. I've maintained for years an independent SANFL with no afl players/affiliation will be not only the second best league but the envy of every traditional state league in Australia.
I'm not sticking up for the AFL sides I think the evidence is in and it was the wrong decision and the system of farming out the AFL players to the various SANFL sides worked much better but do you honestly think the SANFL would last longer than five minutes if the AFL set up a reserves comp?
Overnight the SANFL would become a third string comp and the AFL and it's media partners would ensure the comp would die a swift death. I don't like the idea of bending over to the AFL but that is the reality of the footy landscape, they hold all the power and unfortunately you've got to get on the teat whilst trying to keep as much of your integrity as possible.
BS...there would be little interest in a AFL reserves comp. SANFL, if managed correctly would still stay the 2nd best league in the country
by Panther Pack » Sun Apr 23, 2017 10:22 pm
Gozu wrote:Dutchy wrote:Gozu wrote:UK Fan wrote:If there is one positive out of the AfL reserves incursion it is the notion that an afl reserves comp will destroy the status our league is rubbish. I've maintained for years an independent SANFL with no afl players/affiliation will be not only the second best league but the envy of every traditional state league in Australia.
I'm not sticking up for the AFL sides I think the evidence is in and it was the wrong decision and the system of farming out the AFL players to the various SANFL sides worked much better but do you honestly think the SANFL would last longer than five minutes if the AFL set up a reserves comp?
Overnight the SANFL would become a third string comp and the AFL and it's media partners would ensure the comp would die a swift death. I don't like the idea of bending over to the AFL but that is the reality of the footy landscape, they hold all the power and unfortunately you've got to get on the teat whilst trying to keep as much of your integrity as possible.
BS...there would be little interest in a AFL reserves comp. SANFL, if managed correctly would still stay the 2nd best league in the country
I've got no doubt there would be little interest in an AFL reserves comp but there would be even less interest in the SANFL if it was a third string comp.
by Gozu » Sun Apr 23, 2017 11:06 pm
by UK Fan » Mon Apr 24, 2017 10:09 am
Gozu wrote:Perhaps I should've said third-rate comp. Think about it Channel 7 deal would disappear, The Advertiser/News Ltd would give the SANFL's space to the AFL reserves comp and probably even blacklist the SANFL altogether, the FTA networks probably wouldn't bother to mention the SANFL again as their news reports would all be "Player X was a stand out in the AFL reserves game on the weekend but Player Y pulled up short and will be in doubt for a call up to the senior side in the big game against blah blah blah" accompanied by slick professional footage of the game from Fox or whatever.
I'm not saying I want that to happen to the SANFL it's bad enough now the way things are already but giving the AFL the finger would be the death of the league. I don't see how it go any other way, what SANFL clubs that survived would just be subsumed into the amateur league.
The mistake the SANFL clubs made was voting to let the Crows/Power reserves in because it's destroyed the fabric of the comp where you see two teams full of professionals play against part-timers every week where winning is of a secondary importance to the AFL reserves sides and developing their players takes precedence.
The old system was much better where the AFL players were sent back to their various SANFL clubs. It didn't compromise the integrity of the comp but still ensured AFL 'interest' in the SANFL as a whole. Now the two AFL clubs are only interested in their reserves sides and if the AFL ever start up a reserves comp they'll bail on the SANFL like no tomorrow and take all the contacts with them. One thing at least is with the AFLW starting up it probably makes that potential situation very unlikely now.
fester69 wrote: I'm full of "pish and wind" !!You can call me weak !!
MW wrote: Well call me a special asshole!.
Booney wrote: I'm a happy clapper **** stick.
by stan » Mon Apr 24, 2017 5:57 pm
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