by Rik E Boy » Tue Nov 08, 2016 1:28 pm
by bennymacca » Tue Nov 08, 2016 1:51 pm
by Jase » Tue Nov 08, 2016 3:34 pm
by Q. » Tue Nov 08, 2016 3:51 pm
by MatteeG » Tue Nov 08, 2016 4:22 pm
Q. wrote:"Let's gather 'round the carcass of the old deflated beast"
helicopterking wrote:Flaggies will choke. Always have.
by Wedgie » Wed Nov 09, 2016 8:22 am
Armchair expert wrote:Such a great club are Geelong
by Dogwatcher » Wed Nov 09, 2016 11:40 am
by Gozu » Wed Nov 09, 2016 12:03 pm
by Psyber » Thu Nov 10, 2016 11:21 am
Rik E Boy wrote: I would suggest that Black (i.e. Fascist) has become the new Blue...
by Rik E Boy » Thu Nov 10, 2016 1:16 pm
Psyber wrote:Rik E Boy wrote: I would suggest that Black (i.e. Fascist) has become the new Blue...
I recall that the classic Fascists were the "National Socialist German Workers Party"
German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei
My point is that authoritarianism is not the sole possession of conservatives, but those from both ends of the spectrum can be so sure they are right that they are justified in imposing their will on others.
That said, I would have had to vote against the Liberal Party in the recent election had it remained under Tony Abbott and stuck with the 2014 budget, and extreme middle class welfare policies. I am disappointed Turnbull has had to compromise so much with the conservative wing since he became leader
I am still campaigning for more balanced policy, lobbying acquaintances inside the LCP and the ALP about the balance between real welfare needs and fiscal responsibility, and I have personally argued, face to face, with Cory Bernardi the case for supporting gay marriage and balanced economic policies. We have disagreed, but were able to keep it civil, and hear each other's case politely.
The thing to do is get active and lobby. One federal MP I knew in Melbourne made the point that what makes the difference is not petitions or organisations, which can be dismissed as a bias generated by pressure groups of ideologues, but many non-aligned individuals approaching their local members and making those local members nervous enough to approach the Ministers, as what gets anything reviewed at the Cabinet table is many back-benchers pushing the Ministers and making them nervous too.
by Jimmy_041 » Thu Nov 10, 2016 1:41 pm
by Booney » Thu Nov 10, 2016 1:58 pm
Jimmy_041 wrote:I reckon they're all as bad as each other
They are starting to realise they've lost their hold on people now we've had Brexit and US election
Dare I say it but the Nuclear Citizens Jury was another victory against the political elite class.
#draintheswamp
by Jimmy_041 » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:36 pm
Booney wrote:Jimmy_041 wrote:I reckon they're all as bad as each other
They are starting to realise they've lost their hold on people now we've had Brexit and US election
Dare I say it but the Nuclear Citizens Jury was another victory against the political elite class.
#draintheswamp
It was, however, the findings were based on not being able to make decision on the information put forward at the time. So it wasn't a "No", per se.
by bulldogproud » Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:03 pm
Rik E Boy wrote:Despite being an avid follower of politics, I rarely venture on to this board. But events over the past few years has seen a fundamental shift of the political landscape of this country. In the past it was 'Labor' verses 'Liberal' with both parties having identifiable strengths and weaknesses. If it's Blue then it's responsible economic management. If it was red it was for the working man. Simplistic perhaps but a core identifiable branding of our major political parties.
I would suggest that Black (i.e. Fascist) has become the new Blue. The LNP are coming after us make no mistake. They don't care if you vote Liberal, Labor, Green or if you are one of those Orange nutters. They want our money. They stand for nothing other than re-election and the feathering of the nests of the elite of this country. In the past swinging voters would have (reasonably accurately) said that they were 'as bad as each other'.
The Black party are following Neo-Liberal policies which are underpinned by the fraudulent economic theory of trickle down economics. They've been trying that shit in America since the Reagan era and this had led to an ever increasing gap between rich and poor. It' s coming soon to a city near you. In the past some rich people manufactured things. They employed people and those people purchased their product. When this is the economic model the rich are getting rich through the efforts of the people who work for them. For the middle class, they earnt wages and were thus participating in the economy. A mass participation in the economy generally leads to better infrastructure, health, education of the nation because more people are paying tax. Middle to lower class people spend their money.
Then the elite (the plutocracy) figured, 'how can we get richer?'. The result of this question was deregulated banking, downsizing, globalisation and privitisation. If you can make a bigger profit by investing off shore than employing people all of a sudden you don't need people to be working for you, the rich no longer have a stake in us working. For the workers what it comes down to is that due to globalisation and downsizing in particular, we are now working in competition with each other. We are no longer working for a greater good of the organisation, we are watching our own arse. Employers then started on the working conditions and aren't that keen on collective bargaining. All of a sudden the working man is afraid, in a precarious financial situation. The term for this the 'Precariat', or proletariat in a precarious position.
Fear is the key. Fear is the key that develops compassion fatigue. They aren't coming after me so it's ok. Fear is the key to how the elite can get people to vote against what is essentially in their best interests. REFUGEES REFUGEES MUSLIMS TERROR WAR!! If you don't want Refugees don't bomb their countries. Have a look at what we are up to overseas. Not only are we bombing Syria we also allies with genocidal states such as Indonesia as well as Saudi Arabia and the Criminal state of Israel. I always thought we were the good guys but these days I'm not so sure. So we pick up the paper and it's right wing nonsense. Rupert Murdoch handpicked our government and our 'leaders' have been slavishly adhering to his doctrine for many years. Why is this relevant to the class war? Because why else would Bogans vote for a party that attacks welfare and social services? What's in it for them...that's right we stopped the boats.
So keep watching as the Black party undermines the social welfare net while they provide corporate welfare. Keep watching while they divest in education...uneducated people can more easily be persuaded to vote against their own interests, provided Rupert points out their enemies for them. Keep watching as our human rights reputation is dissolved, they are tying to make refugees illegal now...if we are going to stand alone against something make it against Corporate Government and not against desperate people who are looking for a better life. Keep watching while the Black party destroys the environment because dirty fuel helped get them elected. Keep watching until every shit idea the United States has ever had comes to our shores...how soon before we have privitised prisons where criminals are suddenly in demand and can raise a profit?
The Black party won't stop until the middle class is destroyed, then they will come after the upper middle class. Eventually only the elite will remain and we will all be wondering what happened to the lucky country. We've let bigotry and racism blind us to the fact that the Black party have robbed us blind. Can anyone name a single positive thing that the Black party has done? The LNP are nothing but traitors to our country. Selling us out so the very few have feathered nests and we all get covered in bird shit. Democracy has been destroyed and been traded in for an Oligarchy. Theocracy has replaced good government. We have a government that consistently undermines and targets those most vulnerable, but it's ok because it's not us and we are the lesser nation because of it.
regards,
REB
by Booney » Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:06 pm
bulldogproud wrote:P.S. Have you ever thought of running for political office. You would have my vote if you did!
by Jimmy_041 » Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:48 pm
bulldogproud wrote: Psyber and Jimmy should also consider running.
by bennymacca » Thu Nov 10, 2016 8:22 pm
by Gozu » Thu Nov 10, 2016 8:37 pm
bennymacca wrote:Psyber would make me vote Libs for the first time
by therisingblues » Thu Nov 10, 2016 11:00 pm
Gozu wrote:bennymacca wrote:Psyber would make me vote Libs for the first time
Especially if in his maiden speech he referred to the fairer sex as his 'love slaves'
by Jimmy_041 » Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:00 am
therisingblues wrote:Gozu wrote:bennymacca wrote:Psyber would make me vote Libs for the first time
Especially if in his maiden speech he referred to the fairer sex as his 'love slaves'
Or just randomly retold the story of how Aphrodite the cat gave birth to sixteen kittens on his chest after a bottle of vintage Bordeaux and a good night bedding a fair maiden.
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