by Millsie89 » Wed Feb 03, 2016 5:34 pm
by Bounce of the ball » Wed Feb 03, 2016 6:40 pm
by Aerie » Thu Feb 04, 2016 8:25 am
by Magellan » Thu Feb 04, 2016 8:46 am
Aerie wrote:I know at the Eagles they seemed to rate the development of talent through to AFL on par at least with winning a senior premiership.
by Booney » Thu Feb 04, 2016 9:05 am
Magellan wrote:Aerie wrote:I know at the Eagles they seemed to rate the development of talent through to AFL on par at least with winning a senior premiership.
Wow. Really? Maybe that philosophy is in place at Prospect. Certainly explains why they've been rubbish over recent times.
Playing devil's advocate, I guess I can see why clubs might take that approach - you'll attract more youngsters into your zone if you're a club that reliably produces AFL talent, which is a positive for the club. But on the flip side, (a) I'm not sure clubs make their talent-producing achievements clear to the public, and (b) the AFL gives not much of a sh!t if you do produce talent. Do the clubs still receive a payment once they play an AFL game? The most publicity that you hear about a player's original club is a passing utterance during the TV commentary.
"The development of talent through to AFL" is an interesting phrase, though. Does this mean the Eagles are happy once a player gets drafted, plays an AFL game, or establishes themselves as a 'regular' AFL player? Plenty go into the system, but not a lot become properly established.
by JK » Thu Feb 04, 2016 9:13 am
Magellan wrote:Do the clubs still receive a payment once they play an AFL game?
by Magellan » Thu Feb 04, 2016 9:20 am
by Mr Beefy » Thu Feb 04, 2016 9:39 am
Magellan wrote:I would've also thought that a club that regularly produces premiership success (i.e. Centrals in the last decade) would be a better advertisement for attracting up and coming kids (success breeds success, as someone one said), as well as being better for its overall popularity in the community and financial standing. Given the lack of returns for producing talent such an approach seems unsustainable on a number of fronts.
@ Booney - I'm sure a few years back (this could be as far back as the 90s) I heard that the clubs from which a player was drafted was granted a payment from their AFL club once they debuted in a league game, much like a finder's fee. This could easily have been given the ar$e in more recent times.
by DOC » Thu Feb 04, 2016 9:43 am
JK wrote:Magellan wrote:Do the clubs still receive a payment once they play an AFL game?
Not long ago (ie, within the last 6 months) the SANFL were talking about pooling all income from drafted players and distributing it evenly among the 8 clubs. Im not sure if that's in place, or still being considered etc?
by JK » Thu Feb 04, 2016 9:44 am
DOC wrote:JK wrote:Magellan wrote:Do the clubs still receive a payment once they play an AFL game?
Not long ago (ie, within the last 6 months) the SANFL were talking about pooling all income from drafted players and distributing it evenly among the 8 clubs. Im not sure if that's in place, or still being considered etc?
I think this has been in place since the 2014 draft.
by Aerie » Thu Feb 04, 2016 9:58 am
Booney wrote:Magellan wrote:Aerie wrote:I know at the Eagles they seemed to rate the development of talent through to AFL on par at least with winning a senior premiership.
Wow. Really? Maybe that philosophy is in place at Prospect. Certainly explains why they've been rubbish over recent times.
Playing devil's advocate, I guess I can see why clubs might take that approach - you'll attract more youngsters into your zone if you're a club that reliably produces AFL talent, which is a positive for the club. But on the flip side, (a) I'm not sure clubs make their talent-producing achievements clear to the public, and (b) the AFL gives not much of a sh!t if you do produce talent. Do the clubs still receive a payment once they play an AFL game? The most publicity that you hear about a player's original club is a passing utterance during the TV commentary.
"The development of talent through to AFL" is an interesting phrase, though. Does this mean the Eagles are happy once a player gets drafted, plays an AFL game, or establishes themselves as a 'regular' AFL player? Plenty go into the system, but not a lot become properly established.
I can't buy that, not for a moment.
While WWT have an outstanding record of having players drafted to AFL level, I can't believe they would see that as anything close to winning the SANFL Premiership. Might have been a little different when SA based AFL talent was still aligned to their local clubs, teams like the Eagles had quite a few at Adelaide and Port and they would bring experience, work ethic etc to the club and I think set high standards.
On having talent come to your zone, there's no point taking kids just to develop them to the next level, they're gone by the time they're 18 ( the top end talent, anyway ) and you get no service from them at senior level.
Not sure about the draft and any monies paid, Magellan, I'll see if I can find out.
by UK Fan » Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:06 am
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by Mickyj » Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:26 am
Aerie wrote:Booney wrote:Magellan wrote:Aerie wrote:I know at the Eagles they seemed to rate the development of talent through to AFL on par at least with winning a senior premiership.
Wow. Really? Maybe that philosophy is in place at Prospect. Certainly explains why they've been rubbish over recent times.
Playing devil's advocate, I guess I can see why clubs might take that approach - you'll attract more youngsters into your zone if you're a club that reliably produces AFL talent, which is a positive for the club. But on the flip side, (a) I'm not sure clubs make their talent-producing achievements clear to the public, and (b) the AFL gives not much of a sh!t if you do produce talent. Do the clubs still receive a payment once they play an AFL game? The most publicity that you hear about a player's original club is a passing utterance during the TV commentary.
"The development of talent through to AFL" is an interesting phrase, though. Does this mean the Eagles are happy once a player gets drafted, plays an AFL game, or establishes themselves as a 'regular' AFL player? Plenty go into the system, but not a lot become properly established.
I can't buy that, not for a moment.
While WWT have an outstanding record of having players drafted to AFL level, I can't believe they would see that as anything close to winning the SANFL Premiership. Might have been a little different when SA based AFL talent was still aligned to their local clubs, teams like the Eagles had quite a few at Adelaide and Port and they would bring experience, work ethic etc to the club and I think set high standards.
On having talent come to your zone, there's no point taking kids just to develop them to the next level, they're gone by the time they're 18 ( the top end talent, anyway ) and you get no service from them at senior level.
Not sure about the draft and any monies paid, Magellan, I'll see if I can find out.
In terms of off-field, that was the impression I got. Yes, do everything to put in place the things to win a premiership at senior level, but just as important was the role of player development and being the best pathway possible for individuals in the Eagles zone to progress to AFL level. Obviously the football department at senior level would be more interested in a senior premiership - but the club as a whole seemed to place equal importance to both. I don't have a problem with that, but changes things if AFL clubs now develop the best junior players.
by bennymacca » Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:57 am
by heater31 » Thu Feb 04, 2016 12:39 pm
DOC wrote:JK wrote:Magellan wrote:Do the clubs still receive a payment once they play an AFL game?
Not long ago (ie, within the last 6 months) the SANFL were talking about pooling all income from drafted players and distributing it evenly among the 8 clubs. Im not sure if that's in place, or still being considered etc?
I think this has been in place since the 2014 draft.
by Booney » Thu Feb 04, 2016 12:52 pm
by Mr Beefy » Thu Feb 04, 2016 12:58 pm
Booney wrote:From what I read these aren't really "academies" as we would all see them.The new "zones" are laid out for the clubs to identify talent from non-traditional football backgrounds and indigenous background.
For boys and girls aged 11-16. From what I read it's likely to help the clubs below the AFL level ( SANFL, WAFL etc ) as the funding will be looking at an age group that the AFL clubs can't offer game time too.
ie - a 15 year old lad from Port Lincoln might spend some time at Adelaide learning about professional football and what is required, but they have nowhere for him to play, so, off to Norwood ( yes?) he goes until he is of draft age and Adelaide use points ( in the new points system ) to have the first bid at him.
by Booney » Thu Feb 04, 2016 1:18 pm
Mr Beefy wrote:Booney wrote:From what I read these aren't really "academies" as we would all see them.The new "zones" are laid out for the clubs to identify talent from non-traditional football backgrounds and indigenous background.
For boys and girls aged 11-16. From what I read it's likely to help the clubs below the AFL level ( SANFL, WAFL etc ) as the funding will be looking at an age group that the AFL clubs can't offer game time too.
ie - a 15 year old lad from Port Lincoln might spend some time at Adelaide learning about professional football and what is required, but they have nowhere for him to play, so, off to Norwood ( yes?) he goes until he is of draft age and Adelaide use points ( in the new points system ) to have the first bid at him.
Come on Booney, don't go reading the AFl propaganda, it is all about the imminent death of the SANFL
by Magellan » Thu Feb 04, 2016 1:27 pm
Booney wrote:These academies will be the death of the SANFL. Without question. All the 11 year old girls and boys set to make their way through the ranks at SANFL clubs are now going to be drafted before the SANFL gets any service from them.
by bennymacca » Thu Feb 04, 2016 1:32 pm
Magellan wrote:Booney wrote:These academies will be the death of the SANFL. Without question. All the 11 year old girls and boys set to make their way through the ranks at SANFL clubs are now going to be drafted before the SANFL gets any service from them.
Too late. My club's results from last year suggest we've already experimented with 11 year old boys and girls.
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