by Q. » Fri Feb 20, 2015 10:40 pm
by Psyber » Sat Feb 21, 2015 10:13 am
by dedja » Sat Feb 21, 2015 10:18 am
by woodublieve12 » Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:05 am
dedja wrote:Just imagine for a moment if Hicks was held in custody in the same manner as Guantanamo Bay by another country, say Russia, Egypt, Iran, Syria or North Korea for example.
Would the reaction of the Australian government and public have been the same?
by whufc » Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:12 am
woodublieve12 wrote:dedja wrote:Just imagine for a moment if Hicks was held in custody in the same manner as Guantanamo Bay by another country, say Russia, Egypt, Iran, Syria or North Korea for example.
Would the reaction of the Australian government and public have been the same?
It would have been if he was an australian soldier... Otherwise I couldn't care less about him ...
by kickinit » Sat Feb 21, 2015 12:00 pm
Q. wrote:He was critical of Western intervention. I am, does that make me a terrorist?
His 'confession' came under duress that included beatings, isolation, sleep deprivation and sexual abuse. No evidence was established that he received terrorist training, a claim backed by the Australian Military, and it's been well documented that he never broke any laws.
Western Forces were not in Kunduz while he was there and was actually on his way back to Australia when he was captured. The fact remains, he never fired a shot outside of the basic military training he received in Kosovo and Pakistan.
You patriotic histrionics in your last sentence aren't evidence of anything.
by Jim05 » Sat Feb 21, 2015 12:20 pm
by king neptune » Sat Feb 21, 2015 1:42 pm
by Dogwatcher » Sun Feb 22, 2015 9:42 pm
by kickinit » Sun Feb 22, 2015 10:24 pm
Dogwatcher wrote:When people post like this, I think that they only believe in legal fairness when it suits them. Right or wrong, he's from our country (to turn a well-known phrase around) and our country expects people to be treated within the law and receive a fair trial - whether right or wrong.
by Q. » Sun Feb 22, 2015 10:25 pm
kickinit wrote:Go and ask anyone that has lost someone from a terrorist attack and ask them how they feel about someone training with a terrorist group.
by Q. » Sun Feb 22, 2015 10:30 pm
kickinit wrote: Hicks so called "brothers" were ready to go to war with the western world and with out doubt he would of shot at Australian soldiers if he had the chance. It would be interesting what everyones thoughts would be if he did shoot at them.
by Q. » Sun Feb 22, 2015 10:31 pm
kickinit wrote:my thoughts are if you want to train with a terrorist group then you don't even deserve a trial. These groups kill innocent people just because they are brainwashed by some idiot that thinks he is the next hitler. Why would we even bother with a person that has the thought of killing innocent australians just because of something that is made up.
by kickinit » Sun Feb 22, 2015 10:35 pm
Q. wrote:kickinit wrote:Go and ask anyone that has lost someone from a terrorist attack and ask them how they feel about someone training with a terrorist group.
The same emotive argument could be mounted against the US and it's Allies and the many civilian deaths they are responsible for.
There's no moral superiority when one side is as guilty as the other.
by kickinit » Sun Feb 22, 2015 10:38 pm
Q. wrote:kickinit wrote: Hicks so called "brothers" were ready to go to war with the western world and with out doubt he would of shot at Australian soldiers if he had the chance. It would be interesting what everyones thoughts would be if he did shoot at them.
A speculative argument that has no factual grounding.
by kickinit » Sun Feb 22, 2015 10:39 pm
Q. wrote:kickinit wrote:my thoughts are if you want to train with a terrorist group then you don't even deserve a trial. These groups kill innocent people just because they are brainwashed by some idiot that thinks he is the next hitler. Why would we even bother with a person that has the thought of killing innocent australians just because of something that is made up.
George Bush frequently reference religion in his rhetoric before the Iraq invasion that killed many innocent people. Again, there is no moral superiority in this argument.
by Q. » Mon Feb 23, 2015 7:59 am
kickinit wrote:Q. wrote:kickinit wrote: Hicks so called "brothers" were ready to go to war with the western world and with out doubt he would of shot at Australian soldiers if he had the chance. It would be interesting what everyones thoughts would be if he did shoot at them.
A speculative argument that has no factual grounding.
Its actually called the truth and to this day he still hasn't denied it. The reason why he hasn't denied it is because he knows the US has the evidence. If the US had no proof of it then he wouldn't of been fighting his charge on a legality basis.
by Q. » Mon Feb 23, 2015 7:59 am
kickinit wrote:Q. wrote:kickinit wrote:my thoughts are if you want to train with a terrorist group then you don't even deserve a trial. These groups kill innocent people just because they are brainwashed by some idiot that thinks he is the next hitler. Why would we even bother with a person that has the thought of killing innocent australians just because of something that is made up.
George Bush frequently reference religion in his rhetoric before the Iraq invasion that killed many innocent people. Again, there is no moral superiority in this argument.
You seriously going to compare bush reference to religion to a terrorist reference to religion. Clutching at straws now Q.
by Booney » Mon Feb 23, 2015 8:16 am
by Dogwatcher » Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:19 am
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