by The Dictator » Thu Nov 06, 2014 4:09 pm
by Howard » Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:55 pm
The Dictator wrote:The import rule in essence is the points system is it not? It limits the amount of imports you have. Without players attracting points the prices will still be the same as now as its supply and demand.
I think the country clubs/associations should band together to stand against the SANFL and SAAFL from using these bullying tactics. How many players from the country have moved down to Adelaide for work/uni and signed up at a city club? Hundreds of thousands.
Who are they to tell clubs that they are not allowed to try and recruit the best players they possibly can to their club!
by daysofourlives » Thu Nov 06, 2014 9:31 pm
Howard wrote:The Dictator wrote:The import rule in essence is the points system is it not? It limits the amount of imports you have. Without players attracting points the prices will still be the same as now as its supply and demand.
I think the country clubs/associations should band together to stand against the SANFL and SAAFL from using these bullying tactics. How many players from the country have moved down to Adelaide for work/uni and signed up at a city club? Hundreds of thousands.
Who are they to tell clubs that they are not allowed to try and recruit the best players they possibly can to their club!
Seems to me the SANFL are doing clubs a favour, or trying to at least, ie curtailing the amount of money clubs are wasting on players. Each year only one club per competition gets the value out of their recruits, the rest of the comp have spent buckets of cash for no real return.
This money is usually scratched together by a handful of committee members, who invariably are burnt out after a few years.
The amount of money paid these days is ridiculous and simply not sustainable, unrest within the clubs is usually not far away, refer to previous post by a club sponsor.
by qwerty » Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:41 am
by cracka » Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:45 am
daysofourlives wrote:Howard wrote:The Dictator wrote:The import rule in essence is the points system is it not? It limits the amount of imports you have. Without players attracting points the prices will still be the same as now as its supply and demand.
I think the country clubs/associations should band together to stand against the SANFL and SAAFL from using these bullying tactics. How many players from the country have moved down to Adelaide for work/uni and signed up at a city club? Hundreds of thousands.
Who are they to tell clubs that they are not allowed to try and recruit the best players they possibly can to their club!
Seems to me the SANFL are doing clubs a favour, or trying to at least, ie curtailing the amount of money clubs are wasting on players. Each year only one club per competition gets the value out of their recruits, the rest of the comp have spent buckets of cash for no real return.
This money is usually scratched together by a handful of committee members, who invariably are burnt out after a few years.
The amount of money paid these days is ridiculous and simply not sustainable, unrest within the clubs is usually not far away, refer to previous post by a club sponsor.
Like they did the clubs a favour by introducing the points system, all that did was drive the prices up.
Give me a break about the SANFL clubs having the interests of country clubs at heart
by cracka » Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:50 am
qwerty wrote:Agree with the above. Points limits the number of players a club can recruit and drives up the price as clubs enter the market to bid for the services of the 'higher calibre players'. Its essentially a supply and demand scenario that inturn flows into the lower calibre players. Previously, a club could recurit a group of 6 or so mates/people who had played together or wanted to play at the same club and of course they cannot afford to pay them all big $$$ and they were more likely to pay for less if they could all play together. Points system only allows a small amount of players to be recurited at a time, so a lot harder for these 'groups' to be attracted to a club at the same time. There is also the other spin offs that these recurits if they stay and their points go down then also have a barganing chip to increase their payments or the club is forced to use more points to replace a player worth low points. Locals or junior players also have this barganing chip. Scrap the points system and let the well managed clubs be successful.
by Legs Man » Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:10 am
by cracka » Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:20 am
Legs Man wrote:The points system is the major problem here and something that hasn't been managed well.
A reduction in points certainly drives up player payments particularly when a club has minimal points to utilise - thus spending more to secure a player worthy of allocating points to.
Clubs wont give up 3 - 4 points for a player that wont have a big impact.
This ultimately results in higher remuneration being afforded - when extra points would actually allow the load to be spread.
11 points minimum (possibly 13) for all clubs regardless of position they finish in and allow clubs an even playing field.
Anything less than this gives the mercenary type player too much bargaining power.
It's actually common sense - and as stated previously a supply and demand situation.
by Look Good In Leather » Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:43 am
cracka wrote:Legs Man wrote:The points system is the major problem here and something that hasn't been managed well.
A reduction in points certainly drives up player payments particularly when a club has minimal points to utilise - thus spending more to secure a player worthy of allocating points to.
Clubs wont give up 3 - 4 points for a player that wont have a big impact.
This ultimately results in higher remuneration being afforded - when extra points would actually allow the load to be spread.
11 points minimum (possibly 13) for all clubs regardless of position they finish in and allow clubs an even playing field.
Anything less than this gives the mercenary type player too much bargaining power.
It's actually common sense - and as stated previously a supply and demand situation.
Like I said,mercenaries have been getting paid more in country leagues than at SANFL level long before the APPS came in,its just probably more rife now as clubs are limited as to how many mercenaries they can recruit.
by Legs Man » Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:59 am
cracka wrote:Legs Man wrote:The points system is the major problem here and something that hasn't been managed well.
A reduction in points certainly drives up player payments particularly when a club has minimal points to utilise - thus spending more to secure a player worthy of allocating points to.
Clubs wont give up 3 - 4 points for a player that wont have a big impact.
This ultimately results in higher remuneration being afforded - when extra points would actually allow the load to be spread.
11 points minimum (possibly 13) for all clubs regardless of position they finish in and allow clubs an even playing field.
Anything less than this gives the mercenary type player too much bargaining power.
It's actually common sense - and as stated previously a supply and demand situation.
Like I said,mercenaries have been getting paid more in country leagues than at SANFL level long before the APPS came in,its just probably more rife now as clubs are limited as to how many mercenaries they can recruit.
by cracka » Fri Nov 07, 2014 11:26 am
by Howard » Fri Nov 07, 2014 2:05 pm
daysofourlives wrote:Howard wrote:The Dictator wrote:The import rule in essence is the points system is it not? It limits the amount of imports you have. Without players attracting points the prices will still be the same as now as its supply and demand.
I think the country clubs/associations should band together to stand against the SANFL and SAAFL from using these bullying tactics. How many players from the country have moved down to Adelaide for work/uni and signed up at a city club? Hundreds of thousands.
Who are they to tell clubs that they are not allowed to try and recruit the best players they possibly can to their club!
Seems to me the SANFL are doing clubs a favour, or trying to at least, ie curtailing the amount of money clubs are wasting on players. Each year only one club per competition gets the value out of their recruits, the rest of the comp have spent buckets of cash for no real return.
This money is usually scratched together by a handful of committee members, who invariably are burnt out after a few years.
The amount of money paid these days is ridiculous and simply not sustainable, unrest within the clubs is usually not far away, refer to previous post by a club sponsor.
Like they did the clubs a favour by introducing the points system, all that did was drive the prices up.
Give me a break about the SANFL clubs having the interests of country clubs at heart
by Legs Man » Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:58 pm
cracka wrote:Legsman, have you heard anything on Echungas appeal from being relegated.
by chopper7 » Fri Nov 07, 2014 5:02 pm
by cracka » Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:16 pm
Legs Man wrote:cracka wrote:Legsman, have you heard anything on Echungas appeal from being relegated.
Hey Cracka
Only update I have is that on legal opinion (currently engaged) the points accumulated from finals matches are valid and must be accepted by the HFL in the relegation process.
The constitution states no delineation between minor and major round matches - even though the HFL assumes and has apparently stated there is.
This would put Bridgewater in the gun.
Haven't personally heard the HFL opinion or stance on this - but apparently it can go as high as the Supreme Court and will if required.
Echunga have a strong case which will be actioned as far as it needs to go if the league doesn't include the points from finals.
It will be interesting to see how much of the hills clubs money (and it's their money) that the HFL directors are willing to spend on a drawn out legal battle.
The question also arises as to whether the clubs have a say in this decision by the league, or whether they will take sole responsibility as the proprietors of the constitution.
Let's hope common sense prevails and Central clubs get a crack at beating the reigning premiers in 2015.
It would be a very hollow and worthless season otherwise.
by CouchExpert » Fri Nov 07, 2014 7:51 pm
by Look Good In Leather » Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:26 pm
CouchExpert wrote:First time poster but long time reader.No offense buy I think you guys are barking up the wrong when it comes to increasing the points per club,let me explain: If you have say 60 country clubs state wide(just a figure for the demonstration) & they all have say 13 points each this would possibly allow them all in theory to "recruit" between 3 & 4 quality players each.This means that the clubs are looking at recruiting somewhere between 180 & 240 players state wide.Now for arguments sake lets assume that there is a pool of180 talented players willing to be recruited at the right price,Now in this case demand (IE the clubs) outstrips Supply(the recruits) and the recruits can name their price.Now if you drop the points to 10 per club, and the clubs could only recruit 2 or possibly 3 players & the pool of recruits stays the same then supply will outstrip demand & the price per recruit will drop.
I don't agree that this will make the players worth more as I think clubs will be more cautious with their recruiting and will opt to recruit as many players as they can,which would mean going for 3 point players instead of 4 point players .If you still think I am talking crap(and you are entitled to your opinion) then the best example I can give of extra points driving up player payments is in my own league the Kowree-Naracoorte-Tatiara league. This season, 2014 the two clubs with biggest spend were the two who had the most points(16),these being Padthaway & Kaniva-Leeor.In fact it's common knowledge around the league that Padthaway spent somewhere between $250,000 & $300,000!!
The points system works but it needs to be tweaked.Chhers
by CouchExpert » Sun Nov 09, 2014 9:33 am
by The Dictator » Sun Nov 09, 2014 10:32 am
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