daysofourlives wrote:Cracka, You're a halfwit.
Think that sums up the argument nicely
The fact that you had to resort to that sums you up more. Not allowed to have an opinion unless it is the same as yours eh.
by cracka » Sun Dec 08, 2013 6:44 pm
daysofourlives wrote:Cracka, You're a halfwit.
Think that sums up the argument nicely
by beenreal » Sun Dec 08, 2013 7:30 pm
cracka wrote:daysofourlives wrote:Cracka, You're a halfwit.
Think that sums up the argument nicely
The fact that you had to resort to that sums you up more. Not allowed to have an opinion unless it is the same as yours eh.
by RB » Sun Dec 08, 2013 7:52 pm
cracka wrote:I still say you're questions ARE irrelevant to my ORIGINAL POST.
by daysofourlives » Sun Dec 08, 2013 8:23 pm
cracka wrote:daysofourlives wrote:Cracka, You're a halfwit.
Think that sums up the argument nicely
The fact that you had to resort to that sums you up more. Not allowed to have an opinion unless it is the same as yours eh.
by cracka » Sun Dec 08, 2013 8:34 pm
RB wrote:cracka wrote:I still say you're questions ARE irrelevant to my ORIGINAL POST.
Whatever your point is, you're having almighty difficulties in articulating it. Have another go, we're all listening.
by cracka » Sun Dec 08, 2013 8:42 pm
daysofourlives wrote:cracka wrote:daysofourlives wrote:Cracka, You're a halfwit.
Think that sums up the argument nicely
The fact that you had to resort to that sums you up more. Not allowed to have an opinion unless it is the same as yours eh.
Ya think?
Or it might just be that your comments are so far off the mark and any argument put up to the contrary you dismiss as not relevant.
IMO your about as relevant as Beeny
The fact that Beeny likes your posting should tell you your posting rubbish
by RB » Sun Dec 08, 2013 10:13 pm
cracka wrote:There are a couple of people who did like my original post so they obviously understood it & agreed with it so my comments were not far off the mark.
by therisingblues » Mon Dec 09, 2013 1:59 am
cracka wrote:therisingblues wrote:
BTW, I became a born again Carlton fan after the Crows succeed in their muscle drive into the SANFL. I followed Carlton until the moment the VFL invaded the SANFL, now the Crows have committed the same sin, I cannot follow them any longer.
The AFL is nowhere near as important for me as the SANFL, I wouldn't swap clubs otherwise.
I still say you're questions ARE irrelevant to my ORIGINAL POST.
The AFL reserves sides playing in the SANFL IS an agreed upon deal, it was voted in by 6 of 8 clubs (which was the majority needed). The SANFL may well have had a long resistance to the AFL, but not anymore, again it was them that agreed to letting the crows & power reserves in. They had the chance to say no but didn't.
In my opinion the VFA became the second best comp in Victoria the moment the VFL/AFL pushed it's reserves into the VFA and everyone changed names.
If you don't follow Carlton any longer (your words) then my original post is not aimed at you. The line before that however says you are a born again Carlton follower so you've contradicted yourself a bit.
You also say the crows have committed the same sin as the VFL (which is Carlton included) actually backs up what I've said, the crows & power have done the same as the other now AFL/then VFL clubs.
How about we agree to disagree so this can get back on topic. I say its hypocrisy, you say its not. We are both allowed our opinions.
by cracka » Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:05 am
daysofourlives wrote:cracka wrote:daysofourlives wrote:Cracka, You're a halfwit.
Think that sums up the argument nicely
The fact that you had to resort to that sums you up more. Not allowed to have an opinion unless it is the same as yours eh.
Ya think?
Or it might just be that your comments are so far off the mark and any argument put up to the contrary you dismiss as not relevant.
IMO your about as relevant as Beeny
The fact that Beeny likes your posting should tell you your posting rubbish
by beenreal » Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:06 am
therisingblues wrote:cracka wrote:therisingblues wrote:
BTW, I became a born again Carlton fan after the Crows succeed in their muscle drive into the SANFL. I followed Carlton until the moment the VFL invaded the SANFL, now the Crows have committed the same sin, I cannot follow them any longer.
The AFL is nowhere near as important for me as the SANFL, I wouldn't swap clubs otherwise.
I still say you're questions ARE irrelevant to my ORIGINAL POST.
The AFL reserves sides playing in the SANFL IS an agreed upon deal, it was voted in by 6 of 8 clubs (which was the majority needed). The SANFL may well have had a long resistance to the AFL, but not anymore, again it was them that agreed to letting the crows & power reserves in. They had the chance to say no but didn't.
In my opinion the VFA became the second best comp in Victoria the moment the VFL/AFL pushed it's reserves into the VFA and everyone changed names.
If you don't follow Carlton any longer (your words) then my original post is not aimed at you. The line before that however says you are a born again Carlton follower so you've contradicted yourself a bit.
You also say the crows have committed the same sin as the VFL (which is Carlton included) actually backs up what I've said, the crows & power have done the same as the other now AFL/then VFL clubs.
How about we agree to disagree so this can get back on topic. I say its hypocrisy, you say its not. We are both allowed our opinions.
Yes I think we're going to end up disagreeing. That's fair enough. But I'll give it one more go.
Your original post was about hypocrisy. Some posters have a go at the Crows for doing what their own nominated AFL club does. My points have mainly been describing how the two situations are different (ie. AFL involvement in the VFL vs the Crows' SANFL push). The reason for this is that if the two situations are different, then posters cannot be accused of hypocrisy for treating the two situations differently.
If you follow, and agree with the above then you'll also understand the relevance of my posts to your original argument.
BTW I was using the term "born again Carlton fan" as meaning originally a Carlton fan, and now a Carlton fan again. My stint as a Crows fan signified a period where Victoria (not Carlton on its own, my understanding is that the Vic clubs were against expansion) did all it could to force the SANFL into joining. My beef then was with the AFL hierarchy, personified by everything Victorian, and South Australia being represented by the Crows. I carried a soft spot for Carlton all these years but I never held them responsible for what happened, it was just that a team more relevant to my situation appeared. But that situation no longer exists. I do hold the Crows responsible for this final insult, they're far more culpable than Carlton ever were (as Ian put it so well "they were operating within a system created by the AFL", hence blame lays with them, not the individual clubs, hence difference, hence relevance, hence not hypocrisy).
Anyway, it's all done and dusted now and we will see if it all turns out so bad or not.
P.S. You are a good many rungs of the ladder above Beeny. I don't even bother with him anymore. Everything's about how everyone's picking on Port, or how Port saved the SANFL or he's hanging shit on the entire SANFL comp. Dancing a little jig at our misery.
by Pseudo » Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:50 pm
therisingblues wrote:P.S. You are a good many rungs of the ladder above Beeny. .
by Pseudo » Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:02 pm
beenreal wrote:Towards the mid to late '80's the VFL clubs were going broke from overspending and mismanagement (sound familiar?) so were screaming for a solution, ultimately called expansion. Following Brisbane and WC, the VFL made overture after overture to convince the SA "old boys club" to join. Hell they even renamed the comp the AFL as a final olive branch but the answer remained no. This from a football commission that had delivered such insular, well thought out strategies like the Player Retention Scheme, giving a high value Superannuation to a bunch of footballers that were never going to leave anyway.
The SA Football Commission acts in 3 ways; no decision, handballed decision, or cr@p decision. And you wonder why I have ZERO time for them?
by StrayDog » Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:00 pm
Wedgie wrote:Ron Burgundy wrote:As long as it makes the AFC a stronger club overall...
Most other AFL clubs have their seconds team playing together, so it is great that SA is following suit.
It won't, itll just be an expensive exercise in getting rid of one more excuse as to why the Cows and Powder are crap.
by beenreal » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:57 am
Pseudo wrote:beenreal wrote:Towards the mid to late '80's the VFL clubs were going broke from overspending and mismanagement (sound familiar?) so were screaming for a solution, ultimately called expansion. Following Brisbane and WC, the VFL made overture after overture to convince the SA "old boys club" to join. Hell they even renamed the comp the AFL as a final olive branch but the answer remained no. This from a football commission that had delivered such insular, well thought out strategies like the Player Retention Scheme, giving a high value Superannuation to a bunch of footballers that were never going to leave anyway.
The SA Football Commission acts in 3 ways; no decision, handballed decision, or cr@p decision. And you wonder why I have ZERO time for them?
Pop quiz!
You're in charge of a near-bankrupt state football league looking to expand into other states in a bald-faced attempt to resurrect your league at the expense of the sport in every other corner of the nation. One of the major state leagues is steadfastly refusing your demands, costing you a mountain of advertising revenue as it prevents your "product" (as you now call the game) reaching a national audience. What will you do?
A) relent on the four(?) million dollar "license fee", which was only ever a means to extort further money out of the Croweaters to further bolster your coffers, or
B) drop the "V" from the league name.
Come on beeny, you've got a 50% chance, have a crack...
by RB » Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:47 am
beenreal wrote:But no, the SA "old boys club" wanted to hold out for better conditions that would never be good enough. Remember, they had the "player retention scheme" keeping the world safe from football expansionism.
by Booney » Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:48 am
RB wrote:beenreal wrote:But no, the SA "old boys club" wanted to hold out for better conditions that would never be good enough. Remember, they had the "player retention scheme" keeping the world safe from football expansionism.
You mean football expanded into SA in 1991? Whatever did we do with our Saturday afternoons before that?
by RB » Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:51 am
Booney wrote:RB wrote:beenreal wrote:But no, the SA "old boys club" wanted to hold out for better conditions that would never be good enough. Remember, they had the "player retention scheme" keeping the world safe from football expansionism.
You mean football expanded into SA in 1991? Whatever did we do with our Saturday afternoons before that?
Seems 1991 was when you started following the game.
by Booney » Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:08 am
by Pseudo » Tue Dec 10, 2013 8:46 pm
beenreal wrote:OR, how about the C)orrect answer. No-one could ever accuse the AFL of being altruistic, so it was drop the "V" and charge the License fee.
by beenreal » Tue Dec 10, 2013 9:21 pm
Pseudo wrote:beenreal wrote:OR, how about the C)orrect answer. No-one could ever accuse the AFL of being altruistic, so it was drop the "V" and charge the License fee.
Actually the C)orrect answer was "divide and conquer: target the weakest link". Which they did.
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