Ken McGregor

[RB]

Surprised he's not being talked about more as Glenelg's potential new coach. Coached their reserves, I mean ah...their 'support team' to a flag didn't he?

[SimonH]

Just on that, will a transfer fee need to be paid for any Magpie players moving to other clubs? Wouldn't think there should be because they have no choice but to leave.

They go for half price. And in the event that Port Adelaide Magpies somehow manage to get their hands on anyone of interest in 2014 and subsequently, they will go to a club that can pay them properly and be far more likely to guarantee them a game, for a mere $2500 (see the same link).

It's not just the flood out of the 2013 Magpies squad, though— the supply system for 2015 and subsequently has been broken. And in the next 12 months, the pipes will be dug up & given away. The concept of a 'Power academy' (if it's a real academy, not just a fancy name for a SANFL reserves squad cobbled together with overaged ex-U/18 players who haven't made the grade to play reserves at their original club) has major problems with both the AFL (under its 'no draft tampering by putting dibs on U/18s' rules), and with the SANFL clubs (as if they'll happily allow their best & brightest to be poached from their own underage system). Even if something as generous as a Swans/GWS academy model were somehow allowed (and it won't be), that's aimed at kids who will be shy of SANFL league level anyway (more like U/18s, or reserves at best). The result? Port Adelaide will be scrounging around ammos and country for players to make up somewhere up to half their side week-to-week— and these are blokes to whom it will only be allowed to offer what is effectively token money, most likely less than they're on. And despite talk of 'lots of ex-SANFL players in the ammos, it's above SANFL reserves level', there are few if any players in the ammos' team of the year that any (other) SANFL clubs will desperately be trying to lure for 2014. Country players' fitness base could also be found out badly in the 2nd half of SANFL league games. From 2015 onwards with no U/18s to promote when their form/ability warrants it, the PAMs SANFL reserves (sorry, 'academy') side will be so poor (especially as regards its second-tier players who aren't in the 'PAMs contracted 15') that they will have to somehow re-jig the system (if it's too late to do the honourable thing and can the whole idea) in order to avoid ongoing embarrassment. Maybe they can do the parklands footy thing, and borrow players from the superior sides that they're playing to make it more of a match.

The Magpies (except when the Pahhhhr have an exceptionally short injury list) are dead as a proper, competitive SANFL league club. And hence there could be little doubt about why Ken might walk in disgust.

And all for the sake of having the equivalents of Matt Thomas, Lewis Stevenson, Darren Pfeiffer, Nathan Blee, Daniel Stewart, Tom Clurey, Paul Stewart, Nick Salter & Campbell Heath play in the prison bars. Fine players, quite a few of them. But it's not worth destroying a proud club for their services. And nor is there a serious argument that any of their professional development has been stymied by the place where they've played their SANFL.

[Booney]

So allow the Magpies to keep our zones, recruit and develop players from within that through 16's, 18's, reserves and those who are bound for greater things either get drafted by AFL clubs or play league "topping up" the side due to Power injuries or suspensions.

If those 18's/reserves players seek further opportunity at SANFL league level they can move to another SANFL club.

Scouring amatuer or country leagues for players can be left to the joke at West Lakes.

[SimonH]

So allow the Magpies to keep our zones, recruit and develop players from within that through 16's, 18's, reserves and those who are bound for greater things either get drafted by AFL clubs or play league "topping up" the side due to Power injuries or suspensions.

If those 18's/reserves players seek further opportunity at SANFL league level they can move to another SANFL club.

Scouring amatuer or country leagues for players can be left to the joke at West Lakes.

There's no question of 'allowing'. There's a deal, with two sides, that has been struck. Port Adelaide Football Club signed up to the destruction of the Magpies. On those conditions. With no requirement at all that it sign up. Either fight it, own it, or deal with it. I think it's a shocking deal that the PAFC should never have gone near. What do you think?

Incidentally, as the Port Adelaide Football Club has thrown its hat in with the AFL, you will know how the AFL feels about AFL clubs having zones and running U/16 and U/18 sides. So good luck getting help from them.

I know you haven't raised it Booney (at least not here), but I feel obliged to get in one anticipatory dig to the rebuttal that one sometimes sees:
'But the SANFL league directors were going to cancel our licence and throw the Magpies, at all levels, with all of our players, out of the comp in 2014 without warning in November 2013, if we didn't sign up to a change that we proposed and pushed about where our non-selected AFL players played' is the greatest myth since the Loch Ness Monster. It saddens me to see otherwise intelligent people* either ignorantly (or, worse, cynically) sprouting it. It's a theory so stupid that one starts to feel dumber to even start rebutting it, but just to raise one of dozens of questions about it: on this apocalypse scenario, where would the PAMs U/18s squad play in 2014? Would they just be lined up against a wall the day before Xmas and every 8th one sent to alternating SANFL clubs? Or would those nasty, vindictive SANFL league directors tattoo all of them with 'Never Forget 1990' on their foreheads and prohibit them from playing at all, so the Banned Magpies had to form their own guerrilla underground comp?

* And of course I don't include Rucci in that category.

[beenreal]

Well there we have it, the gospel according to simonH. An individual who after 400+ posts still hasn't declared his team(s)

I'm convinced.

[Booney]

Well there we have it, the gospel according to simonH. An individual who after 400+ posts still hasn't declared his team(s)

I'm convinced.

Pretty certain he also bagged the SANFL on a Victorian based forum.

[DOC]

Well there we have it, the gospel according to simonH. An individual who after 400+ posts still hasn't declared his team(s)

I'm convinced.

Pretty certain he also bagged the SANFL on a Victorian based forum.

I think he is a Norwood man and the poster who bags the SANFL on the Vic site is JamesH.

[RustyCage]

Simon has spoken, it must be true!

[topsywaldron]

So allow the Magpies to keep our zones, recruit and develop players from within that through 16's, 18's, reserves and those who are bound for greater things either get drafted by AFL clubs or play league "topping up" the side due to Power injuries or suspensions.

If those 18's/reserves players seek further opportunity at SANFL league level they can move to another SANFL club.

Scouring amatuer or country leagues for players can be left to the joke at West Lakes.

There's no question of 'allowing'. There's a deal, with two sides, that has been struck. Port Adelaide Football Club signed up to the destruction of the Magpies. On those conditions. With no requirement at all that it sign up. Either fight it, own it, or deal with it. I think it's a shocking deal that the PAFC should never have gone near. What do you think?

Incidentally, as the Port Adelaide Football Club has thrown its hat in with the AFL, you will know how the AFL feels about AFL clubs having zones and running U/16 and U/18 sides. So good luck getting help from them.

I know you haven't raised it Booney (at least not here), but I feel obliged to get in one anticipatory dig to the rebuttal that one sometimes sees:
'But the SANFL league directors were going to cancel our licence and throw the Magpies, at all levels, with all of our players, out of the comp in 2014 without warning in November 2013, if we didn't sign up to a change that we proposed and pushed about where our non-selected AFL players played' is the greatest myth since the Loch Ness Monster. It saddens me to see otherwise intelligent people* either ignorantly (or, worse, cynically) sprouting it. It's a theory so stupid that one starts to feel dumber to even start rebutting it, but just to raise one of dozens of questions about it: on this apocalypse scenario, where would the PAMs U/18s squad play in 2014? Would they just be lined up against a wall the day before Xmas and every 8th one sent to alternating SANFL clubs? Or would those nasty, vindictive SANFL league directors tattoo all of them with 'Never Forget 1990' on their foreheads and prohibit them from playing at all, so the Banned Magpies had to form their own guerrilla underground comp?

* And of course I don't include Rucci in that category.

Great post Simon.

[topsywaldron]

I'd like Norwood to play in that underground guerilla cup too.

[SimonH]

Well there we have it, the gospel according to simonH. An individual who after 400+ posts still hasn't declared his team(s)

I'm convinced.

1. I barrack for Norwood. And the Swans in the AFL. Didn't get around to filling out that bit of the form or sumpn when I registered, I guess.
2. Gee, all of the rebuttals by you, Booney and pafc1870 are so well-argued and on-topic, you've totally convinced me of your point of view. Whatever your point of view is.

[topsywaldron]

That Port are awesome. And whatever Dear Venerated Leader Thomas says is also awesome.

[Big Phil]

Port Adelaide FC have just tweeted that Ken McGregor has declined the offer to coach the Power Reserves in the SANFL League competition next season...

So does that mean the odds are shortening up for Mr McGregor to return to the Tigers and replace the out-going Kris Massie?

[Hodges 153!]

Port Adelaide FC have just tweeted that Ken McGregor has declined the offer to coach the Power Reserves in the SANFL League competition next season...

He declined a full time Development role, including coaching the Academy side, not the League.

Hocking is the League coach.

[Panther Pack]

Port Adelaide FC have just tweeted that Ken McGregor has declined the offer to coach the Power Reserves in the SANFL League competition next season...

He declined a full time Development role, including coaching the Academy side, not the League.

Hocking is the League coach.

I thought Hinkley coached the League team?

[eaglehaslanded]

Port Adelaide FC have just tweeted that Ken McGregor has declined the offer to coach the Power Reserves in the SANFL League competition next season...

He declined a full time Development role, including coaching the Academy side, not the League.

Hocking is the League coach.

I thought Hinkley coached the League team?

Hocking has been appointed as the SANFL coach, McGregor declined the full time position of their academy.

http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2 ... e-in-sanfl