Reserves - PAFC accepts invite from SA Football Commission

[Aerie]

So that means port sanfl reserves dissapear?
And I assume juniors come from current port zone.

I read it as the SANFL Reserves is the Academy team and junior structure remains. SANFL league (or Power Reserves) gets top up players from Academy (or Magpies Reserves).

I think this is the best case scenario for everyone, except those who want to bleed dry Port Adelaide Magpies completely.

[TimmiesChin]

So that means port sanfl reserves dissapear?
And I assume juniors come from current port zone.

I read it as the SANFL Reserves is the Academy team and junior structure remains. SANFL league (or Power Reserves) gets top up players from Academy (or Magpies Reserves).

I think this is the best case scenario for everyone, except those who want to bleed dry Port Adelaide Magpies completely.

OK.

Well it sounds closer to how the model should have been from the start.

[smac]

So the commission can't be trusted to even take a simple offer to PAFC?

Thin end of the wedge getting pretty thick very quickly!

[SimonH]

This is the differences between the AFC reserves deal and that which the commission want to offer PAFC. Vote is tomorrow morning at 8am. Have a moment of silence if you like.

1. PAFC plays in reserves (as Academy team) and Junior competitions
2. PAFC to have a $20k + $400 per match salary cap for top up players
3. No qualification for SANFL finals to exist if AFL side still playing (that’s not different, just bullshit)
4. PAFC coaches able to coach at any level in Magpies structure
5. PAFC will retain Alberton as a venue (so SANFL clubs don’t get match day revenue)
6. PAFC forego $400k of distribution (not necessarily for distribution to other SANFL clubs, most likely tipped into the commission trough)
7. PAFC to continue receiving their fees if players are drafted
8. PAFC to continue to sell SANFL club memberships
9. 1-35 Magpies players to cost half of standard transfer fees should they go to another SANFL club
10. 36-50 Magpies players to cost $2,500 should they go to another SANFL club
11. Academy players to transfer to other SANFL clubs for $0 fee
...

Apart from the merits or otherwise of the other bits of the proposal, #2 (if the "$20k" is accurate and isn't a typo) means that the PAMs list 2013 will be cleaned out, and the Magpies/Power 2nds SANFL league team will become a chopping block if the Pahhhr develop a substantial injury list (and as injury lists almost invariably become longer near the end of the year, they'll also be little threat in the SANFL finals if they ever make it). Who is going to stick around for a guaranteed payment which is some fraction of $20,000 divided quite a few ways, plus $400 per game, when by the nature of the arrangement the club can never guarantee you a game week-to-week, and even if they could you're doing considerably worse than you were in 2013 (presuming the PAMs currently pay somewhere near the roughly $350k salary cap)? If the club plays by the rules (i.e. doesn't pay under the table), practically no-one other than fringe players. The Summertons, Beards, Raikiwasas etc of the world would need to have their heads read to stick around on those terms.

Even if PAMs played 100% 'top-ups', $20k + (21 x $400 x 18 rounds) is about half the current SANFL salary cap. If this goes ahead, it will be a long, long, long wait after 1999 until the next Magpies flag. But given the seeming future (or otherwise) of the SANFL, how long it's been since the last Magpies flag is going to be the least of anybody's worries. Apologies if I've misread it and #2 above refers to something else entirely.

[daysofourlives]

This is the differences between the AFC reserves deal and that which the commission want to offer PAFC. Vote is tomorrow morning at 8am. Have a moment of silence if you like.

1. PAFC plays in reserves (as Academy team) and Junior competitions
2. PAFC to have a $20k + $400 per match salary cap for top up players
3. No qualification for SANFL finals to exist if AFL side still playing (that’s not different, just bullshit)
4. PAFC coaches able to coach at any level in Magpies structure
5. PAFC will retain Alberton as a venue (so SANFL clubs don’t get match day revenue)
6. PAFC forego $400k of distribution (not necessarily for distribution to other SANFL clubs, most likely tipped into the commission trough)
7. PAFC to continue receiving their fees if players are drafted
8. PAFC to continue to sell SANFL club memberships
9. 1-35 Magpies players to cost half of standard transfer fees should they go to another SANFL club
10. 36-50 Magpies players to cost $2,500 should they go to another SANFL club
11. Academy players to transfer to other SANFL clubs for $0 fee
...

Apart from the merits or otherwise of the other bits of the proposal, #2 (if the "$20k" is accurate and isn't a typo) means that the PAMs list 2013 will be cleaned out, and the Magpies/Power 2nds SANFL league team will become a chopping block if the Pahhhr develop a substantial injury list (and as injury lists almost invariably become longer near the end of the year, they'll also be little threat in the SANFL finals if they ever make it). Who is going to stick around for a guaranteed payment which is some fraction of $20,000 divided quite a few ways, plus $400 per game, when by the nature of the arrangement the club can never guarantee you a game week-to-week, and even if they could you're doing considerably worse than you were in 2013 (presuming the PAMs currently pay somewhere near the roughly $350k salary cap)? If the club plays by the rules (i.e. doesn't pay under the table), practically no-one other than fringe players. The Summertons, Beards, Raikiwasas etc of the world would need to have their heads read to stick around on those terms.

Even if PAMs played 100% 'top-ups', $20k + (21 x $400 x 18 rounds) is about half the current SANFL salary cap. If this goes ahead, it will be a long, long, long wait after 1999 until the next Magpies flag. But given the seeming future (or otherwise) of the SANFL, how long it's been since the last Magpies flag is going to be the least of anybody's worries. Apologies if I've misread it and #2 above refers to something else entirely.

I took it as being a salry cap of 20k for the season with a maximum of 400 per game for any one player.
Arn't the Crows top ups only getting 100 per game.
This would make the deals pretty similar on that front

[smac]

Why would a SANFL club want to pay Port Power a transfer fee for a player?

[smac]

The lunches at AAMI stadium must be ******* awesome if the Commission are pushing shitwagons like this.

In 12 months time, surely PAFC would have convinced AFC of the merits of the Academy team and junior teams and they'll be working on having them beyond next year?

It's ******* bullshit!

[smac]

No licence fee?

Sponsors benefiting from SANFL sponsorship with AFL product/services?

Shove it up your arse!

[RB]

If this is true, well done all.

With respect Aerie, I couldn't disagree more. Absolute garbage.

[Aerie]

If this is true, well done all.

With respect Aerie, I couldn't disagree more. Absolute garbage.

What is your solution?

[RB]

My solution is simply that there should be no AFL reserves in the SANFL. If Port having a reserves team (i.e. elsewhere) means the end of the Magpies, then so be it. I think it would be a shame if there were no more Port in the SANFL, but no club is bigger than the league.

[whufc]

My solution is simply that there should be no AFL reserves in the SANFL. If Port having a reserves team (i.e. elsewhere) means the end of the Magpies, then so be it. I think it would be a shame if there were no more Port in the SANFL, but no club is bigger than the league.

wrong clearly the ravens and lightning bolts are bigger than the league

[Aerie]

My solution is simply that there should be no AFL reserves in the SANFL. If Port having a reserves team (i.e. elsewhere) means the end of the Magpies, then so be it. I think it would be a shame if there were no more Port in the SANFL, but no club is bigger than the league.

Fair enough. In an ideal world I would like that too, but think there are too many things going against that for it to be a possibility with the current 8 SANFL Clubs still involved.

[Commissioner Gordon]

A backflip.

The offer to PAFC is now back to matching the one to the AFC (with 12 months of juniors to allow SANFL to get their ducks in a row).

[Aerie]

A backflip.

The offer to PAFC is now back to matching the one to the AFC (with 12 months of juniors to allow SANFL to get their ducks in a row).

This model officially kills the Magpies. Not great if that is the case.

[RB]

My solution is simply that there should be no AFL reserves in the SANFL. If Port having a reserves team (i.e. elsewhere) means the end of the Magpies, then so be it. I think it would be a shame if there were no more Port in the SANFL, but no club is bigger than the league.

wrong clearly the ravens and lightning bolts are bigger than the league

My mistake! All hail Our Supreme Leader, the One they call 'Sando'!

[RB]

This model officially kills the Magpies. Not great if that is the case.

Quite right, but better them than the league.

[Aerie]

This model officially kills the Magpies. Not great if that is the case.

Quite right, but better them than the league.

I think the league will be worse off with Port doing the Crows model than the other model mentioned earlier.

[RB]

I think the league will be worse off with Port doing the Crows model than the other model mentioned earlier.

You're probably right. But it's still garbage.

[Pseudo]

And never forget, it is the $ANFL forcing this restructure on the Port Adelaide Football Club. NOT the other way around!

Utter balderdash.

The SANFL might be the ones wielding the dildo, but Port Power is willingly dropping trousers, bending forward and parting cheeks.

Your mob could have chosen the status quo; it did not. Responsibility rests with Port.