AFL Reserves Discussion...

[Booney]

This will be like John Hewson explaining GST on a cake ...

Does it have icing and decorations on it?

[saintal]

SANFL's Chris Davies to be on 891Adelaide (ABC) shortly to explain the reserves process.

Anything talked about that we didn't already know?

[Dogwatcher]

Not really.
I'm still unsure as to what the benefits are for SA footy and not just AFL footy in SA.

[Jim05]

SANFL's Chris Davies to be on 891Adelaide (ABC) shortly to explain the reserves process.

Anything talked about that we didn't already know?

He was on 5aa the other day and he is so pro Cow it isnt funny.
- Didnt rule out curtain raisers
- Still in negotiations over Cows members getting free entry to "home" games
Neither of these ideas should even be contemplated by the league

[Reddeer]

Despite denials by the SANFL I was told today by a high ranking official who WOULD know that whilst it is the position of the club that things regarding AFL players does not change the Crows and Port will have teams in the SANFL league competition next year playing for premiership points. For me goodbye SANFL

As far back as page 35 on this blog in June the decision had already been made. So much for all the denials and lies

[topsywaldron]

This will be like John Hewson explaining GST on a cake ...

Big issue for the majority here is that we don't have a Paul Keating figure to viciously demolish the arguments.

[bays2011]

This will be like John Hewson explaining GST on a cake ...

Make your own comparison:

Link to Chris Davies on ABC 891 this afternoon (he dodges the only tough question which was why did 2 clubs vote no)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/951 ... 200813.mp3

John Hewson, the GST and the birthday cake:

[StrayDog]

SANFL's Chris Davies to be on 891Adelaide (ABC) shortly to explain the reserves process.

Anything talked about that we didn't already know?

He was on 5aa the other day and he is so pro Cow it isnt funny.
- Didnt rule out curtain raisers
- Still in negotiations over Cows members getting free entry to "home" games
Neither of these ideas should even be contemplated by the league

Should get Olsen on the air to completely rule them out. Oh, wait...

Or maybe Mr Burtenspin can tell us how he thinks the Crows will probably only insist on these things if they can be sure of universal acceptance.

[SimonH]

Anyone else notice that this weekend just gone, 6 Crows players played SANFL league and another 2 played reserves: link (warning: contains news of a high-prestige 7-disposal game in the SANFL reserves)? And that with an injury list that sits at 7 players, no worse than average for an AFL club at this time of year. Even with the bye team being the Crows-heavy Sturt, I can tell you exactly what would have happened to any Crows reserves team that played last weekend.

Yeah I posted their likely team from the weekend a few pages back. Very patchy. Noticed on the news tonight that Henderson is being sent off for early surgery, so there's another player done for the year.

Yep, this is what AFL clubs who aren't going to make the finals do. And the 'independent 2nd doctor's assessment/ no elective surgery' rules about the Crows reserves will make no difference. There is no reason to doubt that Naitanui and LeCras really are injured (it's just very likely that they'd push on through the injuries if WCE made finals), and there is no issue of elective surgery. And it makes no difference that players of that ilk would always be in WCE's best 22 if fit, because obviously other players need to be called up from state league to replace them. In this way, state league AFL reserves sides really do play to the line. 'The line', of course, being the start of next year's AFL pre-season.

[matt1]

SANFL's Chris Davies to be on 891Adelaide (ABC) shortly to explain the reserves process.

Anything talked about that we didn't already know?

He was on 5aa the other day and he is so pro Cow it isnt funny.
- Didnt rule out curtain raisers
- Still in negotiations over Cows members getting free entry to "home" games
Neither of these ideas should even be contemplated by the league

It is up to the SANFL Clubs where the games are played and my understanding is that the SANFL Clubs know and want Crows members to gain access to help get to a decent crowd.

We can blame the SANFL but our Clubs voted it in.

[Gozu]

PORT Adelaide's board met last night to save the SANFL.

Well, that may not have been the intention of club president David Koch and his fellow directors, but it certainly was the opportunity - and perhaps obligation - they faced.

They had the chance to correct the incredibly damaging script the SA Football Commission and six SANFL league directors have set up for the sake of appeasing the Adelaide Football Club's ill-considered proposal to form a reserves team.

Port Adelaide has five weeks to save SA football.

How Adelaide's wish to just dump an AFL reserves teams in the SANFL - while borrowing players from SANFL rivals - achieved fulfilment at the league directors' table is beyond belief.

There are three episodes bound to happen next year.

In late June, Adelaide's "top-up" players will work out they are wasting their time. Their original SANFL clubs don't want them. The Crows cannot guarantee them weekly games.

But country clubs will - and for good money. On June 27, three days before the transfer deadline, they will create an exodus to the bush leaving Crows reserves coach Peter Jonas empty handed.

In late July, SANFL clubs competing with the Crows reserves for a finals berth will "opt out" of the top-up system demanding their loan players be returned ... all in the game of beating an opponent to September.

And in September, when Brenton Sanderson is in Melbourne for an AFL preliminary final against Geelong at the MCG, he will take 25 players.

He will leave Jonas with 10 fit Crows for the SANFL semi-final against Norwood. Where is Jonas to get his 11 "top-up" players now?

This is the farce of Adelaide's poorly constructed reserves plan.

And it is where Port Adelaide comes to the rescue.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/p ... 6700926387

[Magpiespower]

[Aerie]

Is Rucci still writing this crap...

His arguments in some of his earlier articles was ok, but has completely lost the plot since the decision has been made.

[UK Fan]

And the article has now been removed from all news.com sites by the looks of it.

[SimonH]

PORT Adelaide's board met last night to save the SANFL.

Well, that may not have been the intention of club president David Koch and his fellow directors, but it certainly was the opportunity - and perhaps obligation - they faced.

They had the chance to correct the incredibly damaging script the SA Football Commission and six SANFL league directors have set up for the sake of appeasing the Adelaide Football Club's ill-considered proposal to form a reserves team.

Port Adelaide has five weeks to save SA football.

How Adelaide's wish to just dump an AFL reserves teams in the SANFL - while borrowing players from SANFL rivals - achieved fulfilment at the league directors' table is beyond belief.

There are three episodes bound to happen next year.

In late June, Adelaide's "top-up" players will work out they are wasting their time. Their original SANFL clubs don't want them. The Crows cannot guarantee them weekly games.

But country clubs will - and for good money. On June 27, three days before the transfer deadline, they will create an exodus to the bush leaving Crows reserves coach Peter Jonas empty handed.

In late July, SANFL clubs competing with the Crows reserves for a finals berth will "opt out" of the top-up system demanding their loan players be returned ... all in the game of beating an opponent to September.

And in September, when Brenton Sanderson is in Melbourne for an AFL preliminary final against Geelong at the MCG, he will take 25 players.

He will leave Jonas with 10 fit Crows for the SANFL semi-final against Norwood. Where is Jonas to get his 11 "top-up" players now?

This is the farce of Adelaide's poorly constructed reserves plan.

And it is where Port Adelaide comes to the rescue.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/p ... 6700926387

Rucci should think twice about using the word "joke" in any piece with his byline. Like so much of what he writes, it pushes pro forma 'be pro-Port, anti-Crows inflammatory' buttons but doesn't actually make any sense.

1. With 6 SANFL clubs having just bent over in the interests of the Crows and against the best interests of the SANFL comp, what on earth would make anyone think that a significant number of clubs would be part of a Macchiavellian scheme along the lines of, 'let's loan the Crows some half-decent players to get their ladder position and hopes up for the first half of the year, and then closer to the finals yank them away (with no intention of playing them ourselves)'? In the unlikely event that any SANFL club was playing a Macchiavellian long-game trying to leverage the Crows 2s presence to improve its chances of a flag, it would want to continue to boost the Crows 2s in July in the hope that they would remain strong enough to limp into the finals— safe in the knowledge that they would likely fold like a house of cards in the finals themselves (especially if the Crows firsts was out of the AFL race). The Crows 2s making the 5 potentially offers an easybeat September opponent and improving the odds of the other 4 SANFL teams in the finals.

2. Any player who wants the potentially greater coin and lesser training (but lower standard and lower exposure), of country footy would just sign that way at the start of the year. Why would they flood out to the country before 30 June on the basis that the Crows 2s couldn't "guarantee" them a game, when they would have known that that was the drill all along? If players leave because the Crows have too many top-up players and so some can't get a game, then that problem is self-correcting— the smaller numbers left are each more likely to get a game.

3. How on earth does Rucci think this 'half of Port Adelaide's zone' scheme would work anyway? The Crows would suddenly have responsibility for the footy upbringing of about one-eighteenth of the kids in SA. But it would have no interest in developing the 95% of those kids who are not only never going to play AFL, but they're also not good enough for SANFL league selection (via the Crows reserves side) now or for quite a few years. And it doesn't have SANFL reserves or SANFL U/18 sides to put them in. And it doesn't want one-eighteenth of the pie with particular geographic limitations; it wants the whole pie in the sense that it wants to get its hands on top-up players from anywhere in the state. Whatever the makeup of the "Crows academy" that Rucci is pushing, it sure ain't for babysitting potential U/18 players who don't have an U/18 side to go to. Bad for the youngsters, no benefit for the Crows.

[Tassie Blues]

Out of interest does anyone have a final number of signatures obtained from the No AFL in SANFL petition?

4,876,214. This includes the ones I got in the UK

So any chance of a real answer to the question?

[LPH]

FWIW... I had 456 sign my lot.

Rounded down %'s:

39% Sturt supporters
35% Centrals supporters
22% Eagles supporters
3% Port supporters
1% Adelaide supporters

[areaman]

FWIW... I had 456 sign my lot.

Rounded down %'s:

39% Sturt supporters
35% Centrals supporters
22% Eagles supporters
3% Port supporters
1% Adelaide supporters

No Bays fans? I know it was raining and an abysmal day when you were there.

[Dogwatcher]

How did the Adelaide Reserves supporters vote?

[Tassie Blues]

FWIW... I had 456 sign my lot.

Rounded down %'s:

39% Sturt supporters
35% Centrals supporters
22% Eagles supporters
3% Port supporters
1% Adelaide supporters

Thanks LEH for an intelligent reply. I would have thought with so many people on here so passionate about the no AFL in the SANFL someone would have known that you have X number of signatures and taken it to the commission and also to the directors of all SANFL clubs.