AFL Reserves Discussion...

[dedja]

I had this bad dream the other night, and these are the bit that I can remember ...

- the SANFL finances have taken a real hit in the last 5 years, so the AFL pounced and manipulated the situation to free Port and Adelaide of the SANFL with the Adelaide Oval deal and in the process somehow managed to get the State Government to pay for it all

- the SANFL, even with the Adelaide Oval deal, were/are in an awkward financial bind but with careful planning and management will be able to manage the Football Park asset to best effect and long prosper in a niche market

- as part of handing over the AFL licences, the Crows didn't want to pay out their AFL licence in one hit and Port have no ability to pay it out

- the SANFL panicked and allowed the Crows to pay the licence over 15 years, rumoured to be $1M per year

- the ABC will not broadcast SANFL live from next year so the SANFL were desperate to find a replacement broadcaster

- the Crows, seizing the moment, came up with the idea of playing their reserves in the SANFL and without declaring their hand, made it conditional on a 15 year 'AFL licence payback' disguised as a SANFL league participation fee back to the clubs (now believed to be set at $50K per club per year, indexed, which will be a min of $400K per year for 15 years), the promise of increased media exposure to the SANFL to attract sponsors and to assist in sourcing finance for a commercial TV rights deal for the SANFL

- the SANFL didn't care about Port as they considered them financial leeches so didn't bother to negotiate anything with them

- now the sell - the SANFL Commission kept all of the above out of the public domain and tried to sell the AFL Reserves notion as something other than it was

- the SANFL clubs who earlier this year thought that they'd share a guaranteed $1M per year for 15 years, plus the spoils of SMA management fees from Adelaide Oval, plus the financial returns of a redeveloped West lakes precinct, panicked and started seeing their lives pass before them

- whilst all this is happening, the AFL is quietly but efficiently stoking the fire in the shadows

- the SANFL clubs feel ambushed, and some have their doubts and want to reject the reserves proposal

- then the Crows start their bluff campaign ... firstly with the SAAFL, then with the majority decision bluff, and behind the scenes threats to decimate SANFL sponsorship revenue and opportunities

- by this time, the SANFL Commission are having kittens and go all out to convince the SANFL clubs to accept otherwise they'll fall over a cliff

- the deal looks dead so a blowtorch is applied

- Norwood, who come out with the first salvo, are threatened by Pickard to heed otherwise they'll pull all their support for the club

- Joe Tripodi, a man of conviction who was dead set against the reserves proposal, feels like he has no choice but to heed

- everything is rushed to avoid scrutiny and the 'public' finding out the real agenda

- 5 other SANFL clubs meekly fall for it and roll over

- Central and South do the honourable thing and don't succumb to the pressure

- a vote is rushed and the result is there for all to see


I know it was only a dream, but can someone tell me where my dream wasn't real?

[Dutchy]

Under 18's same issue.

Under Crows inclusion it would be 16 games

If/when Power reserves take over Magpies it would be 14 (down from 20).

This is unless they have reserves / Under 18 games during split rounds or something
or start their season earlier.

This was asked at the Glenelg meeting, Chiggy said the games would be made up in split/bye/state game rounds

[zipzap]

- the Crows, seizing the moment, came up with the idea of playing their reserves in the SANFL and without declaring their hand, made it conditional on a 15 year 'AFL licence payback' disguised as a SANFL league participation fee back to the clubs (now believed to be set at $50K per club per year, indexed, which will be a min of $400K per year for 15 years), the promise of increased media exposure to the SANFL to attract sponsors and to assist in sourcing finance for a commercial TV rights deal for the SANFL

This is the bit I thought had been clarified for me, but now I don't know. Is the 50k per year to each club the licence payback in disguise or is it over and above? I was led to believe it was the latter but would not be surprised in the slightest if it were the former.

Best post ever BTW

[Pseudo]

Under 18's same issue.

Under Crows inclusion it would be 16 games

If/when Power reserves take over Magpies it would be 14 (down from 20).

This is unless they have reserves / Under 18 games during split rounds or something
or start their season earlier.

This was asked at the Glenelg meeting, Chiggy said the games would be made up in split/bye/state game rounds

Fairly obviously, once the PAP smears are in, the two reserves/18s teams having byes in a week could play off against each other. Brings some logistical problems with it, but nothing insurmountable.

[daysofourlives]

http://m.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/one-sanfl-president-stalked-justice-like-a-panther/story-fnia3nqh-1226698775789

Phew! And here I was thinking I was retarded coz I couldn't get my head around the ridiculous "top-up system."

As in, why the hell would any club bend over backwards to help a rival club on the ground?

Never mind the weekly headache it presents.

Surely the Crows (and Power) will have to put together a Supplementary List of some description to draw?

Guessing South will "opt-out."

Every club should.

FFS what is this? An U12 competition way out bush where one team has only 12 players and the other has 24 so they share players to have 18 each. But it's ok as no one keeps score and it helps every kid to develop
Then when they get to U14 level where they play for premierships this doesnt happen as an U14 premiership is far to valuable to the club.
This is what the SANFL has become, an U12 comp that keeps score, plays for premierships but asks 8 other clubs to help develop one club.
Hope that makes sense and you can see what i mean

[Wedgie]

I'm assuming the There will be no discussion of the AFL reserves until the licenses are sorted out statement got the arse?
So many lies an deceit, if similar happened in a private company cops and lawyers would be called in.
Better watch our mouths I suppose, as before we know it people will be paid to kneecap people who speak out on the side of truth and integrity.

[Magpiespower]

FFS what is this? An U12 competition way out bush where one team has only 12 players and the other has 24 so they share players to have 18 each. But it's ok as no one keeps score and it helps every kid to develop
Then when they get to U14 level where they play for premierships this doesnt happen as an U14 premiership is far to valuable to the club.
This is what the SANFL has become, an U12 comp that keeps score, plays for premierships but asks 8 other clubs to help develop one club.
Hope that makes sense and you can see what i mean

Well, I'm half-cut reading it.

And still fired up after almost getting into a blue with Crows supporters over the Harltlett hit.

Makes perfect sense!*



*No really, it does.

[Ian]

I had this bad dream the other night, and these are the bit that I can remember ...

- the SANFL finances have taken a real hit in the last 5 years, so the AFL pounced and manipulated the situation to free Port and Adelaide of the SANFL with the Adelaide Oval deal and in the process somehow managed to get the State Government to pay for it all

- the SANFL, even with the Adelaide Oval deal, were/are in an awkward financial bind but with careful planning and management will be able to manage the Football Park asset to best effect and long prosper in a niche market

- as part of handing over the AFL licences, the Crows didn't want to pay out their AFL licence in one hit and Port have no ability to pay it out

- the SANFL panicked and allowed the Crows to pay the licence over 15 years, rumoured to be $1M per year

- the ABC will not broadcast SANFL live from next year so the SANFL were desperate to find a replacement broadcaster

- the Crows, seizing the moment, came up with the idea of playing their reserves in the SANFL and without declaring their hand, made it conditional on a 15 year 'AFL licence payback' disguised as a SANFL league participation fee back to the clubs (now believed to be set at $50K per club per year, indexed, which will be a min of $400K per year for 15 years), the promise of increased media exposure to the SANFL to attract sponsors and to assist in sourcing finance for a commercial TV rights deal for the SANFL

- the SANFL didn't care about Port as they considered them financial leeches so didn't bother to negotiate anything with them

- now the sell - the SANFL Commission kept all of the above out of the public domain and tried to sell the AFL Reserves notion as something other than it was

- the SANFL clubs who earlier this year thought that they'd share a guaranteed $1M per year for 15 years, plus the spoils of SMA management fees from Adelaide Oval, plus the financial returns of a redeveloped West lakes precinct, panicked and started seeing their lives pass before them

- whilst all this is happening, the AFL is quietly but efficiently stoking the fire in the shadows

- the SANFL clubs feel ambushed, and some have their doubts and want to reject the reserves proposal

- then the Crows start their bluff campaign ... firstly with the SAAFL, then with the majority decision bluff, and behind the scenes threats to decimate SANFL sponsorship revenue and opportunities

- by this time, the SANFL Commission are having kittens and go all out to convince the SANFL clubs to accept otherwise they'll fall over a cliff

- the deal looks dead so a blowtorch is applied

- Norwood, who come out with the first salvo, are threatened by Pickard to heed otherwise they'll pull all their support for the club

- Joe Tripodi, a man of conviction who was dead set against the reserves proposal, feels like he has no choice but to heed

- everything is rushed to avoid scrutiny and the 'public' finding out the real agenda

- 5 other SANFL clubs meekly fall for it and roll over

- Central and South do the honourable thing and don't succumb to the pressure

- a vote is rushed and the result is there for all to see


I know it was only a dream, but can someone tell me where my dream wasn't real?

Yours was a dream, I had one nearly exactly the same except:

- it was a nightmare and

-a club that rolled over did it for concessions that appeared not quite above board

[holden78]

Nice post Dedja....... Norwood are big winners out of this and ofcoarse the Cancers.
Able to replace Gayfl players of a similar type? FFS where am I? Is this the ALP candidate nomination convention or what?

[Aerie]

I think it is fair enough that West and Norwood get an opportunity to replace the AFL listed players that they lose, but they perhaps should have done it more along the lines of being able to replace players that would have actually been playing for them. i.e. use the finals qualification rule for this year.

[CedeNullis]

Rufus T. Firefly: Awfully decent of you to drop in today. Do you realize our army is facing disastrous defeat? What do you intend to do about it?

Chicolini: I've done it already.

Rufus T. Firefly: You've done what?

Chicolini: I've changed to the other side.

Rufus T. Firefly: So you're on the other side, eh? Well, what are you doing over here?

Marx Brothers. 'Duck Soup'

[holden78]

I think it is fair enough that West and Norwood get an opportunity to replace the AFL listed players that they lose, but they perhaps should have done it more along the lines of being able to replace players that would have actually been playing for them. i.e. use the finals qualification rule for this year.

Oh please, they cheated and now WILL get to recruit outside of their zone under the guise of Replacing lost Gayfl players.
By the way they did go top while cheating.... come on ... and that basically goes for West as well...Now I'm almost inclined to give North the real 2012 Flag and after yesterday I'm sure they would bite my hand off to get it!

[Mark_Beswick]

West didnt get to participate in the mini drat - Norwood did

Wests ban expires Dec 01 this year - in effect they have paid their pennance...

BUT if norwood get out of their fine, will west and port have their fine refunded?

[sjt]

What would happen if those two Norwood players were delisted and then recruited by another afl club (or traded)? Rewarding cheating, unbelievable integrity by these directors.

[topsywaldron]

Any idea how yesterday's crowds stacked up against the last time the teams met there? Climactic conditions notwithstanding of course.

[whufc]

Any idea how yesterday's crowds stacked up against the last time the teams met there? Climactic conditions notwithstanding of course.

Not sure of a crowd figure at the Centrals West game but had a meal pre game and the sports bar was pretty packed

In saying that though it was mainly packed of a few usuals and alot of people wearing Eastern Park, Central United, Smithfield gear. Probably taking a look since there football sides have finished for the year.

A fair bit more Crows merch was getting about yesterday as well.

[topsywaldron]

Not sure of a crowd figure at the Centrals West game

1750 at CDFC v WA, 1500 ish at NAFC v WWTFC

Seemed low even despite the rain.

[csbowes]

I think the SANFL clubs should have the option to keep some or all of their AFC players. For example, Sturt should be able to say, you can have these 3, but we're keeping these 4...

The rule should come in for all new players from hereon so as not to disrupt those clubs that have more or less relied on the AFC players, I know that rewards a club for what may be a mistake in list management, but for Sturt that would be gold.

Thoughts from the forum?

[RustyCage]

I think the SANFL clubs should have the option to keep some or all of their AFC players. For example, Sturt should be able to say, you can have these 3, but we're keeping these 4...

The rule should come in for all new players from hereon so as not to disrupt those clubs that have more or less relied on the AFC players, I know that rewards a club for what may be a mistake in list management, but for Sturt that would be gold.

Thoughts from the forum?

So clubs should be able to keep another clubs players?

[The Sleeping Giant]

Terrible crowds for 2 games featuring final bound clubs. Weather looked perfect on tv.