Crows in the SANFL - Q & A with the AFC

[Apachebulldog]

How do we know that Central will be voting no???? Joe tripodi of Norwood was a defiant and definite no way three weeks ago so what happened have they all bared their arses ????????

[Apachebulldog]

Mr Crow PR man i really don't care what Johnny Platten thinks i CARE about what the majority of SANFL die hards who did not desert their clubs to go and watch the new circus in town.

I CARE like the rest of us on this site who do not want to take a risk which might have the potential to destroy the SANFL competion just to please the Crows so their pretty boys can all shower together.

I Care just like the rest of us as we do not want to see the destruction of 140 years of history.

I CARE because just like the rest of us we have seen the destruction of the VFL and WAFL.

I CARE because the VAFL is not a national competition but a destroyer of state leagues.

I CARE because you really have not answered all of our questions.

Do you get yet ???????

[Aerie]

Will there be provisions for an AFL listed player to play for an SANFL Reserves club if they are coming back from injury and are only going to play half a game, or in the case of team balance, or if a player is in really poor form and not up to the required standard?

How much would a top up list player be paid? Is it important your SANFL league and reserves opponents are sufficiently paid so you are playing against the best possible players and not losing more players to country and amateur football?

How much pressure comes from the AFL to reduce the SANFL salary cap to fall in line with other leagues?

I'll delete the last two questions and just ask this:

Will there be provisions for an AFL listed player to play for an SANFL Reserves club if they are coming back from injury and are only going to play half a game, or in the case of team balance, or if a player is in really poor form and not up to the required standard?

Does this have an answer, David?

[Apachebulldog]

Mr Crow PR man have a read and absosb the info from our astute Brekky DJ who resides in Melbourne and lives and breathes VFL.

Is this the intention of the AFC nad the AFL ????????????



Sir, may I address your hopes and fears from a VFA(VFL) point of view and what has happened.

I am realistic enough and accept that what probably will happen will be:
- we revert to AFL rules and conditions.

That happened in the VFA(VFL). We lost one of our most recent rules, that if you kick backwards in your back half, it's not a mark, it's play on.

Also, up until about 20 years ago, it was 16 men on the field for each side (no wingmen)

- the game style continues to evolve like the AFL.

Some sides like Box Hill (controlled by Hawthorn) would play the 'Hawthorn game plan' regardless if it was costing them the game or not. It cost them plenty of games in 2011, but is working for them this year!

I am hopeful that:
- There will continue to be uncertainty over who wins each week between all 10 teams.

The only certainties in the VFA(VFL) at the moment is that Geelong are flogging everyone (we play them this week - bugger!) and that Bendigo may not win a game all year. Every other team/game is a 50/50 coin flip.

- The general public is actually surprised that the SANFL teams are too strong for the AFL Reserves teams.

Up until 2010, there was the saying that "A standalone VFA team will never win the flag". The Port Melbourne came out in 2011 and won the flag... 21 wins 0 Loses - First team in 93 years to do it! That changed some people's thinking, but some AFL trolls claimed their reserves "were not trying" and the "wins didn't matter".

- Crowds and support for the SANFL don't decline and possibly get a little stronger.

Home and Away, plus Finals crowds are all down compared to the VFA's glory days. Worse result for your club is being at home and play an AFL reserves side when their AFL team is on the same day in town... means a low crowd and poor financial return.

- The best facilities are used.

When playing Essendon's VFL team at Windy Hill, the opposition gets changed in the Cricket Club's bar.
You read it right, there's no proper change-rooms, they get changed in the bar!

- There is no farcical situations with the AFL Reserves teams that devalue the competition.

Pulling players out at the last second from playing has Sandringham and it's AFL partner St Kilda at loggerheads.

- There is a respect for the competition by all those who play in it.

Williamstown are breaking away from Footscray, because the Dogs would put in the call to remove a player from the field during the final quarter... despite how close the game might be.

I am fearful that:
- We will lose any of the current 8 SANFL clubs.

The competition in the late 80s/early 90s lost many clubs, like Dandenong, Oakleigh, Northcote, Camberwell, Yarraville, Sunshine, Northcote, Brunswick-Broadmeadows, Waverley, Prahran... to name a few.

Bendigo is skating on thin ice, Casey (Springvale) had to be bailed out by a white knight at the end of last year and there are fears for Coburg who are going standalone next year.

- The AFL will bring in a national reserves competition after the horse has bolted.

With more and more traditional VFA clubs splitting from their AFL partners, it could happen sooner rather than later. All VFL licences expire at the end of 2014.

- The SANFL will fall in line with other states, the salary cap will be reduced so we can't recruit, we will then fall behind WAFL and VFL because our population and economy can't compete.

Less money in the SANFL salary cap will see players go bush chasing the coin. In 2011, Patrick Rose and Brendan Fevola finished 1-2 in the league's goal-kicking. Next year they were both playing bush footy and earning more than they did in the VFL.

- We will be purely a development league.

That's how the VFL gets treated sometimes. Some sides play to win, others (like Frankston for a while), purely to develop players for the AFL draft.

- There is no creative marketing to generate interest in the SANFL.

The media man at the VFL tries his best with the footy record, and there's a half-hour show on SEN (Plus ABC TV and Community Radio Coverage), BUT you never see any ads before or during the season for the VFA(VFL) - no creative marketing at all

- The Crows and Power will get all of the media attention.

Read the paper on Sundays and Mondays. All the VFL articles are about how the AFL listed players went. Standalone sides and players barely get a mention.

- No one will want to watch the game.

In the 70s/80s, home games for stronger clubs would get 8,00o to 10,000 per game.
Now they get around 1,500 on average.

In the 70s/80s Grand Finals at Junction Oval would be at capacity... around 30,000 +
Now at Etihad Stadium, the Grand Final pulls in around 14,000 to 17,000

- Our SANFL clubs can't compete with the AFL Reserves clubs because of the above.

Frankston struggled the last 5 years (now turning it around), Bendigo can't win a game and Port Melbourne (after a fantastic 2011-2012) find ourselves in danger of missing finals (if we drop our last two games).


It's simple... a Yes vote to the Crows in the SANFL is a ticket to the way down.

If only I was alive during the 60s and 70s... the glory years when the VFA took it up to the VFL/AFL

[tigers34738586]

Well after some of the answers.....the ones he has chosen to answer anyway....... I have far more respect now for The Power (not that I would ever follow them) than I will ever have for the arrogant crows

[areaman]

Well after some of the answers.....the ones he has chosen to answer anyway....... I have far more respect now for The Power (not that I would ever follow them) than I will ever have for the arrogant crows

I look forward to a Q & A thread with a Power rep. I wonder if our respect for them would go up or down after it.

[tigers34738586]

Well after some of the answers.....the ones he has chosen to answer anyway....... I have far more respect now for The Power (not that I would ever follow them) than I will ever have for the arrogant crows

I look forward to a Q & A thread with a Power rep. I wonder if our respect for them would go up or down after it.

Time will tell..... not that Ilike the crows...but they certainly haven't helped their cause

[areaman]

Well after some of the answers.....the ones he has chosen to answer anyway....... I have far more respect now for The Power (not that I would ever follow them) than I will ever have for the arrogant crows

I look forward to a Q & A thread with a Power rep. I wonder if our respect for them would go up or down after it.

Time will tell..... not that Ilike the crows...but they certainly haven't helped their cause

No argument from me. It was a baffling own goal to come on here and give glib politician like answers.

[Magpiespower]

I look forward to a Q & A thread with a Power rep. I wonder if our respect for them would go up or down after it.

Kochie knows the game too well - he won't let them!

[on the rails]

Well after some of the answers.....the ones he has chosen to answer anyway....... I have far more respect now for The Power (not that I would ever follow them) than I will ever have for the arrogant crows

I look forward to a Q & A thread with a Power rep. I wonder if our respect for them would go up or down after it.

The Power will come in under the same model and conditions as the AFC so I am not sure what a Q&A would achieve re the PAFC/

[areaman]

Was the unanimous vote required by your CEO a core promise or non-core promise?

It will need to be unanimous. There's no point going in if a club or a couple of clubs are dead against it.

David, what changed?

[spell_check]

Was the unanimous vote required by your CEO a core promise or non-core promise?

It will need to be unanimous. There's no point going in if a club or a couple of clubs are dead against it.

David, what changed?

I'll bet it was because they weren't "dead" against it, just against it.

[areaman]

David, once and for all, if it is 7-1 Crows walk away.
Or is Stephen Trigg a liar?

The SANFL will either offer the Crows a spot in the league comp or not, depending on the votes of the directors. But I think there will need to be unanimous agreement to work with the Crows, for the Club to accept any offer. David

Again!

[smac]

Non core promise!

[Pseudo]

My personal disdain for the AFC has now morphed into fully-fledged hatred.

Reckon I'm not the only one.

[Dutchy]

My personal disdain for the AFC has now morphed into fully-fledged hatred.

Reckon I'm not the only one.

I have always hated and detested the PAFC, I never ever thought I would hate a club more, now I do.

[Pseudo]

Well this thread is now devoid of purpose, since the Crow shitbags have gotten their way.

Perhaps we could still lever some of David's expertise for personal issues on this thread?

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David, I'm having severe trouble with my haemmorhoids right now. Can you recommend a good cream or other treatment for them?

Since you are employed by a bunch of arseholes, I figure you must know how to deal with a sore one...

[Jimmy]

Well this thread is now devoid of purpose, since the Crow shitbags have gotten their way.

Perhaps we could still lever some of David's expertise for personal issues on this thread?

.....

David, I'm having severe trouble with my haemmorhoids right now. Can you recommend a good cream or other treatment for them?

Since you are employed by a bunch of arseholes, I figure you must know how to deal with a sore one...

Gold!!!

[saintal]

[JK]

David, my family are flying back home after 15 years abroad and I really want to do something special to welcome them back when they land. Could you recommend an appropriate choir to greet them at the airport?