Crows in the SANFL - Q & A with the AFC

[adelaidefc]

David, what would happen if in 5 years time the AFL decided to bring in a reserves competition funded by big sponsorship dollars and forced all of its clubs to take part. How would the crows justify saying no to the AFL due to your committment to the SANFL?

The AFL has said it's not going to happen. But if it did, I suppose it will depend on the final agreement between the Crows and the SANFL. We had agreed to a 15-year deal but we (the public) will have to wait to see what the SANFL clubs have proposed. David

[whufc]

0-100% scale with 100% being extremely confident, 0% not confident at all

How confident are u the Crows reserves will be playing SANFL league football in 2014

[whufc]

David, what would happen if in 5 years time the AFL decided to bring in a reserves competition funded by big sponsorship dollars and forced all of its clubs to take part. How would the crows justify saying no to the AFL due to your committment to the SANFL?

The AFL has said it's not going to happen. But if it did, I suppose it will depend on the final agreement between the Crows and the SANFL. We had agreed to a 15-year deal but we (the public) will have to wait to see what the SANFL clubs have proposed. David

Is the 'it will be reviewed at the end of every year' not an easy get clause for the Crows if the AFL does create a reserves comp

If the AFL does create an AFL reserves can they 'demand and force' the Crows to be part of it despite the agreement with the SANFL

[adelaidefc]

Have the AFC considered that having a BYE in the SANFL is actually a good thing so that interstate recruits are able to go home for a few days and that without a BYE these players maybe harder to recruit and keep??

Apparently there will still be a couple of breaks during the season,.

[saintal]

David, sorry if this has already been asked, but why isn't the club interested in hosting games at Thebby if you are included in the SANFL?

David, could you please attempt to answer some of the tougher questions on previous pages? i.e. the ones that relate to the supposed benefits of this proposal.

It is an Amateurs venue. We believe it is better for the SANFL clubs to host us and take the revenue.
I've been through what I think will be some of the benefits of a Crows team in the SANFL. I think it's fair to say that some of you are against the proposal, no matter what, and I understand that. David

Thanks for the answer to the first question. Regarding your other comment, yep, there may be some truth in that, however as Tipper pointed out with his excellent, detailed post on page 2 of this thread (that didn't receive a response), some of the benefits proposed by Trigg/AFC are highly questionable/debatable, and some of us are interested in the logic behind them rather than just accepting them blindly.

[adelaidefc]

David, what would happen if in 5 years time the AFL decided to bring in a reserves competition funded by big sponsorship dollars and forced all of its clubs to take part. How would the crows justify saying no to the AFL due to your committment to the SANFL?

The AFL has said it's not going to happen. But if it did, I suppose it will depend on the final agreement between the Crows and the SANFL. We had agreed to a 15-year deal but we (the public) will have to wait to see what the SANFL clubs have proposed. David

Is the 'it will be reviewed at the end of every year' not an easy get clause for the Crows if the AFL does create a reserves comp

If the AFL does create an AFL reserves can they 'demand and force' the Crows to be part of it despite the agreement with the SANFL

The review was there for the benefit of the SANFL, not just the Crows. If we sign a 15-year deal, we sign a 15-year deal. But if the Clubs prefer to work under a looser agreement, that will be their call I suppose. David

[adelaidefc]

0-100% scale with 100% being extremely confident, 0% not confident at all

How confident are u the Crows reserves will be playing SANFL league football in 2014

85%

[cripple]

Thats a fair enough answer, but surely the risk of the crows being forced to play its reserves in an AFL competition in the future, however distant, far outweighs the benefits any SANFL club could get till such time with the crows current proposal. With the NRL and ALeague having viable, nationally televised reserve/ youth competitions, surely this is something the afl is looking at in its future. I personally understand the want for a reserves team, but there are just to many risks for the future of the SANFL in my opinion.

[whufc]

And for the billionth time can u please answer the easiest question you will ever be asked.

"How did the AFC come up with the figure of 4000 per game to a Crows reserves game"

This is a highly questionable figure

BUT

I'm 100% certain you know what research was done to come to this answer

Did you base on it VFL figures
Did you run polls on your website
Did you ask fans at a Crows game

Your refusal to answer this question makes myself and a few SANFL club board members question whether any research was done or it was a make believe figure

Thanks for your answer in advance

Ben Whalan

[adelaidefc]

Thats a fair enough answer, but surely the risk of the crows being forced to play its reserves in an AFL competition in the future, however distant, far outweighs the benefits any SANFL club could get till such time with the crows current proposal. With the NRL and ALeague having viable, nationally televised reserve/ youth competitions, surely this is something the afl is looking at in its future. I personally understand the want for a reserves team, but there are just to many risks for the future of the SANFL in my opinion.

If they see that is a risk, lock in a long-term deal then. Dacvid

[smac]

Was the unanimous vote required by your CEO a core promise or non-core promise?

[Ecky]

Rob Chapman stated that SANFL fans needed to be educated on the benefits of the Crows entering the SANFL League competition. Do you feel as though we have received enough of this education?

If so, why do you think there is still so much opposition to the proposal?

If not, what are the main benefits we are not yet aware of?

[whufc]

Do you think it proves the Crows are a franchise rather than club that their willing to give up their nickname and club guernsey to have a reserves side! Imho that's a huge step to take.

Is there anything at the Crows that isn't up for sale

[sjt]

Hi David, is it true the reason the club is not providing any real financial incentive to the clubs or being prepared to back up or underwrite their own claims because the club has no money? Is the sanfl negotiating a Westpac loan on the crows behalf as per an earlier article in the advertiser? So the strategy is to change the status quo and enter a teserves team that you can't afford for potentially no benefit? Have you determined the cost of entering a reserves team and is it in excess of $500,000?

Hi David, this one please?

[adelaidefc]

And for the billionth time can u please answer the easiest question you will ever be asked.

"How did the AFC come up with the figure of 4000 per game to a Crows reserves game"

This is a highly questionable figure

BUT

I'm 100% certain you know what research was done to come to this answer

Did you base on it VFL figures
Did you run polls on your website
Did you ask fans at a Crows game

Your refusal to answer this question makes myself and a few SANFL club board members question whether any research was done or it was a make believe figure

Thanks for your answer in advance

Ben Whalan

I have actually answered this sort of question a few times. We believe we will get crowds of between 2000 to 6000 at the games. Why would you base it on VFL figures, a completely different comp with different history. The SANFL has strong support. And so does the AFC. The SANFL clubs will be better off, financially, even if no-one turns up. But when the Crows play Glenelg under lights at Brighton Road next March ....

[adelaidefc]

Do you think it proves the Crows are a franchise rather than club that their willing to give up their nickname and club guernsey to have a reserves side! Imho that's a huge step to take.

Is there anything at the Crows that isn't up for sale

That wasn't AFC's idea, that was part of the initial negotiation. My understanding is that is no longer the case, we will be the Adelaide Crows. David

[whufc]

And for the billionth time can u please answer the easiest question you will ever be asked.

"How did the AFC come up with the figure of 4000 per game to a Crows reserves game"

This is a highly questionable figure

BUT

I'm 100% certain you know what research was done to come to this answer

Did you base on it VFL figures
Did you run polls on your website
Did you ask fans at a Crows game

Your refusal to answer this question makes myself and a few SANFL club board members question whether any research was done or it was a make believe figure

Thanks for your answer in advance

Ben Whalan

I have actually answered this sort of question a few times. We believe we will get crowds of between 2000 to 6000 at the games. Why would you base it on VFL figures, a completely different comp with different history. The SANFL has strong support. And so does the AFC. The SANFL clubs will be better off, financially, even if no-one turns up. But when the Crows play Glenelg under lights at Brighton Road next March ....

You keep repeating the word 'you believe'

I don't care whether we will be better off financially even if no one shows up

I would rather see my club make a small loss with 5k at a game then make a small profit with 780

Surely you are basing this figure on some form of research

What research was that

I don't want to hear you believe

I want to hear something along the lines of

-we questioned members
-we looked at a magic ball
-we closed our eyes and pressed numbers on a calculator

How did the 4000 figure come about

You still have not answered that and I'm sure a business of your size wouldn't make up a figure based on a guess, surely they did some research

This section of the thread should definatly be shown to certain media types

[adelaidefc]

Hi David, is it true the reason the club is not providing any real financial incentive to the clubs or being prepared to back up or underwrite their own claims because the club has no money? Is the sanfl negotiating a Westpac loan on the crows behalf as per an earlier article in the advertiser? So the strategy is to change the status quo and enter a teserves team that you can't afford for potentially no benefit? Have you determined the cost of entering a reserves team and is it in excess of $500,000?

Hi David, this one please?

I'm not in finance. The reserves will cost a bit to run (on top of the licence fees) but that's the price the Club is willing to pay. And the SANFL clubs have a clear understanding of the financial benefits that have kept coming for the past 23 years. David

[areaman]

I have actually answered this sort of question a few times. We believe we will get crowds of between 2000 to 6000 at the games. Why would you base it on VFL figures, a completely different comp with different history. The SANFL has strong support. And so does the AFC. The SANFL clubs will be better off, financially, even if no-one turns up. But when the Crows play Glenelg under lights at Brighton Road next March ....

Free membership to the best entry completing this sentence

Has the draw already been made?

[areaman]

David,

Does the AFC intend to consult with it's members regarding their support for a side in the SANFL?

Will it ask their interest in attending SANFL matches to support the Crows?