AFL Reserves Discussion...

[heater31]

Port Adelaide's zones are not up for grabs they are still in the SANFL.

IF??

I have it on Very good authority that the Western Zone (Majority zoned to Port Magpies) have discussed the possible outcomes if this occurred. 2 SANFL clubs North of the CBD were keen to pounce and make submissions to the SANFL to get them as their zone......

[The Sleeping Giant]

I reckon I might have to start recording all of these bold statements about what people are going to do if this goes ahead.

I'll send the dossier through.

Couple of true keyboard warriors.

[sjt]

For those interested - log onto the NAFC website and go to the Virtual Runner section and you will see the latest comments posted by yours truly and Ian from here. The CEO has responded and made a general statement.

It is fair to say that our club is well divided on this matter but despite what the people in charge might think or say - there are far more against it than for it.

I am with what Agile posted a couple pages back - the club should hold an info evening and if the Board are going to vote YES then tell us why and let's have our say. You never know they may "sell" their case to the majority and end some of the angst.

OTR can you post what the CEO stated? I'm hearing the same as others have posted north yes, central -no. If true, hopefully you can push for that info. Night, the board should present why the club will benefit from the farcical proposal.

[Wedgie]

For those interested - log onto the NAFC website and go to the Virtual Runner section and you will see the latest comments posted by yours truly and Ian from here. The CEO has responded and made a general statement.

It is fair to say that our club is well divided on this matter but despite what the people in charge might think or say - there are far more against it than for it.

I am with what Agile posted a couple pages back - the club should hold an info evening and if the Board are going to vote YES then tell us why and let's have our say. You never know they may "sell" their case to the majority and end some of the angst.

OTR can you post what the CEO stated? I'm hearing the same as others have posted north yes, central -no. If true, hopefully you can push for that info. Night, the board should present why the club will benefit from the farcical proposal.

There's heaps of questions and answers, have a look through here mate: http://nafc.com.au/memberfeatures/runner/default.aspx

[Seaford Panther]

South have just announced that an Information Session on the proposal will be held next Tuesday. The session will include a brief presentation on the proposal followed by an opportunity for members to share their views.

[Seaford Panther]

....and from the Crows website "Adelaide is seeking unanimous club support for its entry but has ruled out playing in the SANFL reserves next season."

So it's the league or the ammos

[The Sleeping Giant]

This from the CEO on the virtual runner forum on nafc.com.au .

"The Advertiser poll, based on almost 9,000 voters is nearly 70% in favour, so there are mixed views amongst the greater football public."
Yet he plays down the fact Ian collected 360 signatures on a petition, who should have a greater say, at an SANFL game.

So part of North's CEO research, is a poll from a pro Crow site. What is the Advertiser's nickname again?

Put North down for a yes vote. And if it is, and the Crows get a reserve side in, I will save plenty on on memberships (2) and 3-5 flights down to Adelaide a year to watch North. A NT Thunder membership is $50 with a season pass and cap included.

[GrandOldFlag]

Its good to feel the love for the No Voting clubs on here.
"Norwood the team for All South Australians" - a nice ring to it.

Eagles, Sturt and any other clubs supporters should expect to be invited to a meeting by their clubs to get their views on this matter. They should also state which way they are going to vote.

All clubs constitutions should have Special General Meetings called if enough members request it. Therefore if the members can call meetings they can vote out the boards that are not doing what they want.

Just like politicians Boards (and Presidents) can be replaced by unhappy voters.

Go for it!!!! but don't leave it too late.

[JohnnyG]

Hoskin is the only other Port Adelaide junior in the Power squad and he is a rookie. Thats not a realistic way of looking at it, given the draft doesnt allow you to take whoever you want from your junior grades.

No doubt they would have loved to have picked up Lycett and Broomhead in the last couple of years, but it doesnt always work our perfectly.

If you look at the number of players from the PA country academy who have gone on to play SANFL league footy, it would be a very high percentage compared to other clubs and their country zones.

Maybe it is more due to the good zones they were given - eg how the f*** they got Salisbury north and certain west coast country zones...

[whufc]

This from the CEO on the virtual runner forum on nafc.com.au .

"The Advertiser poll, based on almost 9,000 voters is nearly 70% in favour, so there are mixed views amongst the greater football public."
Yet he plays down the fact Ian collected 360 signatures on a petition, who should have a greater say, at an SANFL game.

So part of North's CEO research, is a poll from a pro Crow site. What is the Advertiser's nickname again?

Put North down for a yes vote. And if it is, and the Crows get a reserve side in, I will save plenty on on memberships (2) and 3-5 flights down to Adelaide a year to watch North. A NT Thunder membership is $50 with a season pass and cap included.

What a f**king joke

Surely these presidents aren't that naive and dumb

Is it only me who smells a rat, ill be interested to see how the presidents who vote yes career paths go 12-18 months down the track

[The Sleeping Giant]

Hoskin is the only other Port Adelaide junior in the Power squad and he is a rookie. Thats not a realistic way of looking at it, given the draft doesnt allow you to take whoever you want from your junior grades.

No doubt they would have loved to have picked up Lycett and Broomhead in the last couple of years, but it doesnt always work our perfectly.

If you look at the number of players from the PA country academy who have gone on to play SANFL league footy, it would be a very high percentage compared to other clubs and their country zones.

Maybe it is more due to the good zones they were given - eg how the f*** they got Salisbury north and certain west coast country zones...

Salisbury north? You been there? War zone more like it.

[The Sleeping Giant]

This from the CEO on the virtual runner forum on nafc.com.au .

"The Advertiser poll, based on almost 9,000 voters is nearly 70% in favour, so there are mixed views amongst the greater football public."
Yet he plays down the fact Ian collected 360 signatures on a petition, who should have a greater say, at an SANFL game.

So part of North's CEO research, is a poll from a pro Crow site. What is the Advertiser's nickname again?

Put North down for a yes vote. And if it is, and the Crows get a reserve side in, I will save plenty on on memberships (2) and 3-5 flights down to Adelaide a year to watch North. A NT Thunder membership is $50 with a season pass and cap included.

What a f**king joke

Surely these presidents aren't that naive and dumb

Is it only me who smells a rat, ill be interested to see how the presidents who vote yes career paths go 12-18 months down the track

Bohdan will be fine. He could out weasel a weasel.

[sjt]

For those interested - log onto the NAFC website and go to the Virtual Runner section and you will see the latest comments posted by yours truly and Ian from here. The CEO has responded and made a general statement.

It is fair to say that our club is well divided on this matter but despite what the people in charge might think or say - there are far more against it than for it.

I am with what Agile posted a couple pages back - the club should hold an info evening and if the Board are going to vote YES then tell us why and let's have our say. You never know they may "sell" their case to the majority and end some of the angst.

OTR can you post what the CEO stated? I'm hearing the same as others have posted north yes, central -no. If true, hopefully you can push for that info. Night, the board should present why the club will benefit from the farcical proposal.

There's heaps of questions and answers, have a look through here mate:
http://nafc.com.au/memberfeatures/runner/default.aspx

Thanks wedgie, that's a great forum/service.
I read some of his responses, it was all pretty much the same " we'll do what's best for the club" we wouldn't vote yes if it wasn't the best thing etc etc. the only positive I could find that he actually referred to, was having a team of only nafc players and being able to make selections without late changes. Like has been posted endlessly by all, if there are a whole lot of factual positives, let us know what they are. Why are they so compelling that you'd vote yes? Particularly given all the negatives raised.
McDermott raised the issue with one of the wwtfc players tonight. He asked what was it like playing in the Vfl. The response was that its different, there's not the passion and generally you play in front of about 300. This is a major factor. The teams in the Vfl are feeder teams, that's their purpose- we don't have 9 afl teams in the state to support all the local teams.

[The Sleeping Giant]

That is the biggest danger to the sanfl. Could fast turn into a VFL type league. At a guess, I would say half the supporters who attend a sanfl game in the middle of winter, are the types who go every week. Lose them, and you lose the passion the sanfl has.

[Jim05]

Hoskin is the only other Port Adelaide junior in the Power squad and he is a rookie. Thats not a realistic way of looking at it, given the draft doesnt allow you to take whoever you want from your junior grades.

No doubt they would have loved to have picked up Lycett and Broomhead in the last couple of years, but it doesnt always work our perfectly.

If you look at the number of players from the PA country academy who have gone on to play SANFL league footy, it would be a very high percentage compared to other clubs and their country zones.

Maybe it is more due to the good zones they were given - eg how the f*** they got Salisbury north and certain west coast country zones...

Maybe some clubs just work their zones better.
From the stories we hear about South it wouldnt matter if they had half the state in their zone.

[csbowes]

Read Sturt's Facebook page...looks like a yes to me...

What I love is the abuse towards fans by club reps... many members saying they'll walk away yet board members don't seem to care.

Club rep on there saying the club may not survive if things don't change.

[rod_rooster]

Bohdan will be fine. He could out weasel a weasel.

Aint that the truth!

[Pseudo]

The question I would have like posed to Kochie is, apart from tradition and community (both very noble things BTW) WHY would the club want to keep those structures in place if the highest a Port junior could aim for is to play reserves for a reserves team, or maybe, just maybe be one of 5 top-up players? Hardly much of an incentive I would have thought.

Exactly. Juniors at Port could never aspire to anything more than being a warm body in a reserves team. The Power has no claim on these kids, being subject to the AFL draft. The whole thing is clearly a smokescreen designed to convince lesser minds that Port's bid for a reserve team is benign. I call shenanigans. If Port was dinkum about providing a career path for the Port community then it would maintain the Magpies as a fully-fledged league affair and would seek to establish a separate reserves team.

Bottom line: Port Power wants a reserves team in the SANFL, and for this fact and this fact alone should be held in the same disdain as the Crows. Bleating about community ties is irrelevant.

[on the rails]

Statement from the NAFC on the website:

"The NAFC Board will meet tonight to discuss the matter of the AFL Reserves in the SANFL.

The SANFL Board of Directors have only just been given information to be put to our Board for comment.

Once discussed at Board level and examined we will look at what our next step will be.
IE: Members update night, individual meetings or other.

Thanks for your patience
Bohdan Jaworskyj"

At least they are open to 1 on 1 talks as well as a members night.

My mail is Bohdan is still YES with 2 other Board members howevewr 3 others are NO. So there is still hope North could, if the YES men are persuaded, end up being a NO vote at the SANFL table.

The members info night needs heaps to turn up and voice their opinions and not be bullied, bluffed and bullshitted by the Board and CEO.

[sjt]

Read Sturt's Facebook page...looks like a yes to me...

What I love is the abuse towards fans by club reps... many members saying they'll walk away yet board members don't seem to care.

Club rep on there saying the club may not survive if things don't change.

How does afl reserves increase their chance of survival? Take out 7 afl listed players from sturt and that's 7 new players they're going to have to pay. Fair enough, if there was going to be a huge cash injection, but the opposite is proposed. Cut out the afl clubs, sell the licenses etc and retrieve the 3.5mill loan from port to assist sturt and the other sanfl teams.