AFL Reserves Discussion...

[Jimmy_041]

Tredders was wrong this morning?

[daysofourlives]

The model in detail says nothing about how the Port SANFL operations will be organised. Will there be a junior grade structure or will the PAM AFL reserves team be stand alone?

"AFL clubs to commit to not recruiting support staff directly from SANFL clubs." - simply unenforceable.

"18 minor round matches over 21 weeks" - conveniently shortened to fit in with AFL scheduling.

"Reduced by $20,000 per SANFL club as acknowledgement of reduction in minor round matches" - So the dinkum SANFL players should get a pay cut to accommodate AFL teams? Good luck getting the players to agree to that.

"AFL clubs to commit to the SANFL competition for 15 years, reviewed by the SANFL on a yearly basis" TRANSLATION: AFL clubs will review their commitment on a yearly basis.

"AFC will not have a home venue; will play as away team throughout the minor round. " And what about the Port reserves team? They still get home matches? So much for equality between the AFL teams.

And the most laughable claim of all is this final piece of scaremongering:

“The alternative to this course of action exposes the SANFL to reduced corporate interest and reduced media coverage while also threatening the relevance of the competition as the best outside of the AFL.”

Bulldust, Olsen. Paying dinkum SANFL players less while expecting them to play in the shadows of their AFL counterparts will do damage to the relevance of the competition - in the eyes of the SANFL supporters and players.

Or, as smacker more succinctly put it: **** off.

How many home games does a club get now? Is it 11? so how does 10games equal more funds for each club?

[Ecky]

How many home games does a club get now? Is it 11? so how does 10games equal more funds for each club?

It is 10, but it is 10 against real clubs.
With this proposal it is 7 plus 3 mickey mouse trial games (2 vs "Ravens", 1 vs Port)

[Jim05]

The model in detail says nothing about how the Port SANFL operations will be organised. Will there be a junior grade structure or will the PAM AFL reserves team be stand alone?

"AFL clubs to commit to not recruiting support staff directly from SANFL clubs." - simply unenforceable.

"18 minor round matches over 21 weeks" - conveniently shortened to fit in with AFL scheduling.

"Reduced by $20,000 per SANFL club as acknowledgement of reduction in minor round matches" - So the dinkum SANFL players should get a pay cut to accommodate AFL teams? Good luck getting the players to agree to that.

"AFL clubs to commit to the SANFL competition for 15 years, reviewed by the SANFL on a yearly basis" TRANSLATION: AFL clubs will review their commitment on a yearly basis.

"AFC will not have a home venue; will play as away team throughout the minor round. " And what about the Port reserves team? They still get home matches? So much for equality between the AFL teams.

And the most laughable claim of all is this final piece of scaremongering:

“The alternative to this course of action exposes the SANFL to reduced corporate interest and reduced media coverage while also threatening the relevance of the competition as the best outside of the AFL.”

Bulldust, Olsen. Paying dinkum SANFL players less while expecting them to play in the shadows of their AFL counterparts will do damage to the relevance of the competition - in the eyes of the SANFL supporters and players.

Or, as smacker more succinctly put it: **** off.

How many home games does a club get now? Is it 11? so how does 10games equal more funds for each club?

Because Rob Chapman has guaranteed us 4,000 at every Ravens game
The thing he conveniently forgets that even if he does get that ammount to the game half will be free loaders anyhow as all Crows members would get free access to Ravens matches

[daysofourlives]

Media Release from the SANFL below:



Tuesday 30th July 2013
SANFL COMPETITION – MEDIA STATEMENT

The South Australian Football Commission has tonight formally presented a model by which the Adelaide and Port Adelaide football clubs could enter teams in the SANFL competition in 2014.

The Commission has endorsed a negotiated model which delivers financial benefits for the SANFL clubs while protecting the integrity of the competition and has proposed the model to the SANFL League Directors.

The League Directors agreed to present the model to their respective boards for consideration prior to reconvening to consider their response.

A summary of the model is as follows:
- One league team from the Adelaide Football Club enters the SANFL from 2014, forming a 10-team competition. The Port Adelaide Magpies become the second team of the Port Adelaide Football Club;
- The 2014 SANFL competition would become an 18-round home-and-away season with all clubs playing each other twice;
- Each of the nine existing SANFL clubs would have 10 home games – the Adelaide Football Club’s SANFL team would play all its games ‘away’;
- The AFL clubs would pay each SANFL club a guaranteed uplift per annum;
- The AFL clubs would work closely with the SANFL and clubs on game development throughout the community; and
- The AFL clubs’ SANFL teams would not wear the AFL club’s jumper, will not be called by the AFL club’s nickname and would carry no AFL club sponsorship partners.

Top up players required by the AFL clubs’ SANFL teams would be provided by the other SANFL clubs on an as-needs basis. These would be 18-22 year-old players not currently playing league football.

The model commits the AFL clubs to the SANFL for a minimum of 15 years with the SANFL to review annually.

“It is the Commission’s belief that the recommended model protects the integrity, the relevance, game development and club and competition viability,” SA Football Commission Chairman John Olsen said.

“It provides the SANFL and its clubs with certainty about the future of our competition while also providing the Adelaide and Port Adelaide football clubs the best competition outside of the AFL in which to test themselves.

“The alternative to this course of action exposes the SANFL to reduced corporate interest and reduced media coverage while also threatening the relevance of the competition as the best outside of the AFL.”

MODEL IN DETAIL

Listed players
All AFL listed players (including Rookie listed) to play with AFL support team should they not be in their AFL team.


Top Up players – leadership player
AFL clubs can contract one ‘leadership’ player per season.
28 years and over, must have been on AFC or PAFC respective lists.

Top Up players – other
18 – 22 years old, on an SANFL Club list.
Players selected at start of pre-season in conjunction with SANFL clubs.
AFL and SANFL clubs to review at agreed points throughout season.
Top-up players cannot play against their home SANFL club.
SANFL club has first rights to any top up player at League level during the minor round.

SANFL League Finals qualification
No qualification criteria for AFL listed players during the SANFL finals series when AFC/PAFC are still involved at AFL level.
Should AFC/PAFC not be involved in AFL finals, a player must have played the majority of his football at SANFL level, or 3 of the last 5 games at SANFL level to qualify.

Competition commitment
AFL clubs to commit to ‘playing to the line’.
Will not rest players and take up elective surgery options.
SANFL doctor to provide 2nd opinion on surgeries before end of season.
Will commit in writing to these points, to be in club and head coach charters.

Support Staff
AFL clubs to commit to not recruiting support staff directly from SANFL clubs.

Home Venue
AFC will not have a home venue; will play as away team throughout the minor round.


COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE

Licence Fee
AFL clubs to pay a licence fee to the SANFL for their involvement.

Membership
AFL clubs will not sell SANFL team membership.
SANFL to explore joint membership options with AFL clubs, including access to SANFL games.

Branding
AFC support team not to be branded Crows.
AFC support team not to wear Crows-style AFL guernsey in the SANFL.


Sponsorship
AFL clubs not to attract sponsors for their SANFL team.

Media
AFL clubs to generate interest in SANFL competition and other SANFL clubs through media activation, social media and online.


Community Engagement
AFL clubs to commit to working with SANFL clubs in promoting pathways to AFL Football.
In lead up to SANFL games, AFL clubs will help promote the game in tandem with the SANFL club within their promotional zone.

Commitment
AFL clubs to commit to the SANFL competition for 15 years, reviewed by the SANFL on a yearly basis.


COMPETITION STRUCTURE

SANFL Fixture
Focussed on maximising attendances for SANFL teams
25 week season from start to end; start date to be set once AFL fixture is known
18 minor round matches over 21 weeks
1 bye for State Game
2 split rounds
10 home matches per Club

Salary Cap
Reduced by $20,000 per SANFL club as acknowledgement of reduction in minor round matches.


South Australian National Football League Inc | AAMI Stadium - Turner Drive, West Lakes SA 5021
Phone: (08) 8268 2088 Fax: (08) 8424 2285 Website: http://www.sanfl.com.au

Is that the entire proposal? If it is it's laughable compared to the one the Eagles and Freo submitted to WAFL.
That surely must've been what they came up with at this mornings 2 hour meeting, clearly they must be expecting a No vote from the clubs because the amount of time that has been put into this is a joke

[southee]

All supporters of all sanfl clubs should gather together and storm the sanfl headquarters ....

Enough of this crap !

[Jim05]

All supporters of all sanfl clubs should gather together and storm the sanfl headquarters ....

Enough of this crap !

Ill bring the torches, you bring the pitchforks
Time for a good old lynching

[dedja]

Dump a truck load of manure at the front door at Footy Park ...

[zipzap]

All supporters of all sanfl clubs should gather together and storm the sanfl headquarters ....

Enough of this crap !

Ill bring the torches, you bring the pitchforks
Time for a good old lynching

Needs to happen at the showdown...

I've always hated that snivelling, snide, sneaky fool Olsen. Now more than ever.

[daysofourlives]

Dump a truck load of manure at the front door at Footy Park ...

I could access a nice load of pig shit!

[dedja]

get an extra load to dump on Olsen's car ...

[purch]

Dump a truck load of manure at the front door at Footy Park ...

I could access a nice load of pig shit!

I have a ute

[daysofourlives]

Obviously Port will reject that proposal, what happens if it does get voted in then?
Dare i say once the clubs vote it in would the Commission then have the Power to let Port keep its entire club,
Is this why Port has gone quiet and there is not much detail about port?

[daysofourlives]

Dump a truck load of manure at the front door at Footy Park ...

I could access a nice load of pig shit!

I have a ute

Na bugger that surely we can get a semi-trailer tipper, South West corner of footy park would be a good spot to dump about an hour before showdown kick off. Let the wind do the rest

[dedja]

[SimonH]

As already noted: it's so bad, so unconvincingly put together, so full of holes, so lacking in any vision to do anything other than outrage and alienate the fans that are the lifeblood of the SANFL competition, and concludes with a final '**** you' of reducing the salary cap to help SANFL clubs recruit to cover their previous AFL-listed players, that we can only hope that it's actually been put up by the SA Football Commission with their hearty 'recommendation', fifth-columnist style, believing that the SANFL league directors will have to reject it unless they're barking insane. Then the members of the SA Football Commission can say to the Crows, 'well, we tried— sorry those emotional directors can't see reason', and not get thrown out of the golf foursomes (or whatever their reason is for wanting to seem all buddy-buddy with the Crows hierarchy).

And here is a challenge from Rucci's column if I've ever read one:
"Norwood is expected to be the only club that opposes the Crows fielding a team in the SANFL."

[rod_rooster]

With the proposal that the salary cap gets reduced "as acknowledgement of reduction in minor round matches" then surely the same percentage reduction would be given to membership costs at each club for the same reason? Of course it won't but if the clubs accept this clause then surely they must be also asked this question and i'd love to hear the response.

Given that there will quite clearly be a reduction in membership at each club should this proposal be accepted, i'd like to know what the financial incentives are. All we have been told is that there will be some but no details of what, why or how. Sturt for example would surely be questioning the incentive to have home games that they have no chance of drawing a crowd that will see them break even. As it stands now they struggle but if the AFL clubs aren't allowed to sell SANFL memberships, can anyone really see many Crows supporters forking out $14 to go to Unley to watch a few list cloggers they have never heard of plus some blokes not good enough to play league footy?

[philcas]

Do the players who are chosen to be a top up player ,get a choice if they want to be part of it. Do they get paid to play ,who pays, how will the salary cap work? What about the jounior development for pt adelaide donthey still have one? Talk about a piece of Swiss cheese
Surely the licence fee amounts should be provided . How can any one even agree to this with out knowing how the sanfl clubs benifit financially. If the AFL clubs have poor financial status will the sanfl reduce the fee to help AFL clubs.
Are all the "what if" clauses identified & taken care of so that sanfl clubs aren't left in a lurch if the AFL clubs decide to leave the sanfl.
Surely the full benifits would have to be ,to good to pass up for this to get passed by sanfl clubs .I can't see it yet my self

[philcas]

Do the players who are chosen to be a top up player ,get a choice if they want to be part of it. Do they get paid to play ,who pays, how will the salary cap work? What about the jounior development for pt adelaide donthey still have one? Talk about a piece of Swiss cheese
Surely the licence fee amounts should be provided . How can any one even agree to this with out knowing how the sanfl clubs benifit financially. If the AFL clubs have poor financial status will the sanfl reduce the fee to help AFL clubs.
Are all the "what if" clauses identified & taken care of so that sanfl clubs aren't left in a lurch if the AFL clubs decide to leave the sanfl.
Surely the full benifits would have to be ,to good to pass up for this to get passed by sanfl clubs .I can't see it yet my self

[Harry the Horse]

I think my favourite bits were John Olsen claiming this maintains the "integrity" of the comp ..
And the bit about how the Crows won't send their players in for early surgery.

The whole proposal is the most grotesquely concocted trip down Suicide Street I've ever seen, thrown together largely by a bunch of blokes who used to give a sh1t about the competition but now can't wait for their retirement.

What an outrageous disgrace!

This is last chance saloon people. Get in the face of your club Presidents now and make your feelings known to them in no uncertain terms or share in the blame of our competition's demise.