England v Australia, 1st Test TRENT BRIDGE commences 10/7/13

[The Sleeping Giant]

Yep no issue with broad or Haddin for that matter.

Its the system thats the issue, the drs sole purpose was to get rid of the howler yet the biggest howler in the game still stood.

Isn't that clarke's fault for wasting a referral on an lbw appeal that would not of been out even with 4 stumps?

No its not! That was a friggin shocker and was plain and simple the umpires responsibility to give that out. Brain fart,or is it a symptom bought on by the fact DRS is there as a backup.

What the hell are you going on about? I'm talking about an lbw appeal while Pattinson was bowling. Patto had grabbed his hat and was walking to fine leg when Clarke called for drs. Was embarrassing.

[Jim05]

Mentioned on the newsbreak just then that Cowan and Starc look like possible omissions for Lords.
Khawaja and Bird to come in

[Failed Creation]

Mentioned on the newsbreak just then that Cowan and Starc look like possible omissions for Lords.
Khawaja and Bird to come in

Here I go thinking that Uzi was just a paid tourist... In all seriousness, good luck to him if he gets the nod.

[Rik E Boy]

Mentioned on the newsbreak just then that Cowan and Starc look like possible omissions for Lords.
Khawaja and Bird to come in

Here I go thinking that Uzi was just a paid tourist... In all seriousness, good luck to him if he gets the nod.

Good luck to anyone wearing the baggy green but Cowan makes me angry.

regards,

REB

[woodublieve12]

Mentioned on the newsbreak just then that Cowan and Starc look like possible omissions for Lords.
Khawaja and Bird to come in

Here I go thinking that Uzi was just a paid tourist... In all seriousness, good luck to him if he gets the nod.

Good luck to anyone wearing the baggy green but Cowan makes me angry.

regards,

REB

angrier then phil hughes???

[Booney]

Mentioned on the newsbreak just then that Cowan and Starc look like possible omissions for Lords.
Khawaja and Bird to come in

Here I go thinking that Uzi was just a paid tourist... In all seriousness, good luck to him if he gets the nod.

Oh, phew. You said tourist.

[RustyCage]

[woodublieve12]

Been chatting to a mate, and he is adament that Haddin wasn't out!!! Pretty baffled he could say that. Now i'm a die hard Aussie fan, but i'm not blind or deaf... Does anyone else feel that Haddin wasn't out???

[test]

Been chatting to a mate, and he is adament that Haddin wasn't out!!! Pretty baffled he could say that. Now i'm a die hard Aussie fan, but i'm not blind or deaf... Does anyone else feel that Haddin wasn't out???

Watching it I heard the nick and thought he was out, but I agree with Carey in that the ump said not out and I didn't think the replays were beyond doubt. When it happened and charged up on excitement and beers I wouldn't of admitted I thought he hit it haha

[steakn]

Best tweet ive seen since Will Ferrels tirade on Bieber

[Bulls forever]

Been chatting to a mate, and he is adament that Haddin wasn't out!!! Pretty baffled he could say that. Now i'm a die hard Aussie fan, but i'm not blind or deaf... Does anyone else feel that Haddin wasn't out???

Watching it I heard the nick and thought he was out, but I agree with Carey in that the ump said not out and I didn't think the replays were beyond doubt. When it happened and charged up on excitement and beers I wouldn't of admitted I thought he hit it haha

Sorry, cannot agree, there were numerous things that pointed to Haddin knowing he hit it.
- Haddin's reaction when the ball went past the bat
- the noise
- hot spot, very faint but it was there, I thought it might have been bat on pad, but front reply ruled that out
- think the third umpire might have thought that, then he went back to front on replay
- and finally, although third umpy can't use it, snicko, basically said "take a walk Brad".

We lost the test on the basis of our DRS use, appears we did not have a plan, plus being red blooded Aussies, we always think everything is out, Haddin and the bowlers need to take a breath and then objectively review what happened. Having said that, if the 10th wicket partnership has to make over 1/3 of our runs, we have issues up the top.

[test]

Been chatting to a mate, and he is adament that Haddin wasn't out!!! Pretty baffled he could say that. Now i'm a die hard Aussie fan, but i'm not blind or deaf... Does anyone else feel that Haddin wasn't out???

Watching it I heard the nick and thought he was out, but I agree with Carey in that the ump said not out and I didn't think the replays were beyond doubt. When it happened and charged up on excitement and beers I wouldn't of admitted I thought he hit it haha

Sorry, cannot agree, there were numerous things that pointed to Haddin knowing he hit it.
- Haddin's reaction when the ball went past the bat
- the noise
- hot spot, very faint but it was there, I thought it might have been bat on pad, but front reply ruled that out
- think the third umpire might have thought that, then he went back to front on replay
- and finally, although third umpy can't use it, snicko, basically said "take a walk Brad".

We lost the test on the basis of our DRS use, appears we did not have a plan, plus being red blooded Aussies, we always think everything is out, Haddin and the bowlers need to take a breath and then objectively review what happened. Having said that, if the 10th wicket partnership has to make over 1/3 of our runs, we have issues up the top.

I should of clarified I heard the nick and thought he hit it, and still do, just that I was hoping for a bit of luck with the DRS.

[MAY-Z]

That is quite funny but just for interests sake I decided I would have a read of the thread from the game that basically ensured that DRS would be implemented. Aus vs Ind in 2008

On day 1 Ricky ponting edged a catch was given not out and didn't walk, Andrew symonds smashed one given not and didn't walk.

Were either of these 2 branded cheats by The entire Australian community - of course not they were applauded and the Indians were made to appear the bad guys for not being impressed with the umpires

[Q.]

That is quite funny but just for interests sake I decided I would have a read of the thread from the game that basically ensured that DRS would be implemented. Aus vs Ind in 2008

On day 1 Ricky ponting edged a catch was given not out and didn't walk, Andrew symonds smashed one given not and didn't walk.

Were either of these 2 branded cheats by The entire Australian community - of course not they were applauded and the Indians were made to appear the bad guys for not being impressed with the umpires

Waaa. This is the Ashes, let us be indignant FFS

[Zelezny Chucks]

That is quite funny but just for interests sake I decided I would have a read of the thread from the game that basically ensured that DRS would be implemented. Aus vs Ind in 2008

On day 1 Ricky ponting edged a catch was given not out and didn't walk, Andrew symonds smashed one given not and didn't walk.

Were either of these 2 branded cheats by The entire Australian community - of course not they were applauded and the Indians were made to appear the bad guys for not being impressed with the umpires

So the DRS was implemented because of a couple of howlers that went against the only country that don't wish to use it? Seems a bit strange to me.

I personally think it should be if the ball is going to hit the stumps then it's out, if their is half a ball room for error in the system then it should be used at all.

The only issue I have with the Haddin dismissal was that the hotspot was inconclusive, you could make a case for seeing a spot but it wasn't clear cut when the spot was made (speculatively, clipping the back pad on the way through might have caused it). The 3rd umpire however then went to the audio which, to be honest, I agree with Dutchy in the fact that the snicko graphic showed the sound as past the bat. Why wasn't this audio used in the case of Trott's decision? Surely there would have been a distinctive two sounds which may have given the right decision.

I read something interesting that Stuart Broad's old man was the Match Referee that fined and banned the Indian, or maybe Sri Lankan, player that tried to claim a catch that wasn't during the Champions Trophy. I wonder what his opinion of his son's actions was. For the record I am happy for someone to stand their ground if caught by the keeper, any other fielder though is a bit ridiculous.

[MAY-Z]

That is quite funny but just for interests sake I decided I would have a read of the thread from the game that basically ensured that DRS would be implemented. Aus vs Ind in 2008

On day 1 Ricky ponting edged a catch was given not out and didn't walk, Andrew symonds smashed one given not and didn't walk.

Were either of these 2 branded cheats by The entire Australian community - of course not they were applauded and the Indians were made to appear the bad guys for not being impressed with the umpires

So the DRS was implemented because of a couple of howlers that went against the only country that don't wish to use it? Seems a bit strange to me.

I personally think it should be if the ball is going to hit the stumps then it's out, if their is half a ball room for error in the system then it should be used at all.

The only issue I have with the Haddin dismissal was that the hotspot was inconclusive, you could make a case for seeing a spot but it wasn't clear cut when the spot was made (speculatively, clipping the back pad on the way through might have caused it). The 3rd umpire however then went to the audio which, to be honest, I agree with Dutchy in the fact that the snicko graphic showed the sound as past the bat. Why wasn't this audio used in the case of Trott's decision? Surely there would have been a distinctive two sounds which may have given the right decision.

I read something interesting that Stuart Broad's old man was the Match Referee that fined and banned the Indian, or maybe Sri Lankan, player that tried to claim a catch that wasn't during the Champions Trophy. I wonder what his opinion of his son's actions was. For the record I am happy for someone to stand their ground if caught by the keeper, any other fielder though is a bit ridiculous.

Whilst that game wasn't the sole reason for technology being introduced it certainly sped its introduction up due to the embarrassing number of decisions that were wrong, nearly all of them favoring Australia.

The irony then is when an India vs Sri Lanka test was used as a pilot test match for drs virender Sehwag was given out LBW after a Sri lankan review. The ball hit both of his pads - the line the ball was taking when it his front pad was clearly missing leg stump but the deflection onto his back pad had it in line. The hawk eye didn't pick up the deviation so he was given out. India hated the system from then on.

With the umpires call - I think this is an integral part of the system as the hawk eye system is solely a best estimate from the moment the ball hits the pad so to take that as gospel wouldn't be right in my opinion, the drs is meant to be used for proven errors not possible ones.

A lot of people have used tennis as an example of why hawk eye shoul be taken as true with LBW - there are a few keys that prove this isn't quite right. First the tennis system is based on what did happen as the ball lands on the surface. Secondly the ball mark on hawkeye is always exactly the same size which wouldnt be correct as each time the ball lands a different size portion of the ball would actually touch the surface. Thirdly during the French open hawk eye is not used officially but as a tv aid. There were numerous decisions where the chair umpire inspected the mark left by the ball in the clay and confirmed the ball was in or out - the tv hawkeye then showed their system gave the opposite call

Interesting that the icc have now come out and admitted that trott shouldnt have been given out and broad should have - the umpires were at 90% on their own - 95% with the use of drs

And Haddin has also admitted he hit his

[am Bays]

We lost the test on the basis of our DRS use.

Bull shit we lost it bacuase in both innings we lost 3/3 in our top order. Yes DRS was a minor factor in how we used it compared to England but if think that is teh reason why we lost we may as well pack up now and come home.

Having said that, if the 10th wicket partnership has to make over 1/3 of our runs, we have issues up the top.

Now you're talking we need runs, lots more runs to be competitive. At the very least we need our top six to double their contribution ideally treble it. No cahnce of winning test matches when you are 6/114 and 6/164.

[steakn]

We lost the test on the basis of our DRS use.

Bull shit we lost it bacuase in both innings we lost 3/3 in our top order. Yes DRS was a minor factor in how we used it compared to England but if think that is teh reason why we lost we may as well pack up now and come home.

Having said that, if the 10th wicket partnership has to make over 1/3 of our runs, we have issues up the top.

Now you're talking we need runs, lots more runs to be competitive. At the very least we need our top six to double their contribution ideally treble it. No cahnce of winning test matches when you are 6/114 and 6/164.

Would have been very happy with 6/114 in hindsight
Helluva a lot better than the 9/115 or whatever it exactly ended up as.

[grant j]

Broad knicks ball, doesn't walk, gets labelled a cheat

Haddin admited knowing he knicked the last ball, doesn't walk, ???

Who's the biggest cheat us or them????

DRS is there for a reason. Sometimes it will work against you the next time it will work for you

Get over it, we lost

[bloods08]

Reckon this could be the side for the 2nd test:

Watson
Rogers
Hughes
Clarke
Smith
Haddin
Faulkner
Agar
Pattinson
Siddle
Lyon

Apparently the lords pitch is bone dry as it has been quite warm over there hence the reason to play 2 spinners. Not losing too much with Faulkner as he is as capable with the bat as Cowan or Khawaja at the moment. Smith to play as batsman only. Do not bowl him.