Carlton 2013

[gadj1976]

now that ^ is a more accurate reflection of what's happening at the club.

One of my mates reckons Collingwood plotted the entire thing!

[The Sleeping Giant]

Carlton have to give up something from their strength (midfield), to get what they need. Yarran and Kruezer's name have been mentioned as possible trades, but I wouldn't touch Yarran, and I would keep Kruezer. Judd, Simpson, Scotland (too old), Murphy (no chance) and Carrazzo (not worth it), only leaves one player at Carlton worth a top pick or player. Bryce Gibbs. Gibbs and Robinson or Tuohy would be worth the #1 pick in the draft for GWS.

[Turbo]

Carlton have to give up something from their strength (midfield), to get what they need. Yarran and Kruezer's name have been mentioned as possible trades, but I wouldn't touch Yarran, and I would keep Kruezer. Judd, Simpson, Scotland (too old), Murphy (no chance) and Carrazzo (not worth it), only leaves one player at Carlton worth a top pick or player. Bryce Gibbs. Gibbs and Robinson or Tuohy would be worth the #1 pick in the draft for GWS.

Fair assessment.

We had described Melbourne as playing bruise free footy a couple of years back. Reckon that describes us right now.

[The Sleeping Giant]

Thought your lot went alright for 3 qtrs against Sydney. That was good hard contested footy.

[Rik E Boy]

Thought your lot went alright for 3 qtrs against Sydney. That was good hard contested footy.

Crap. You had nine premiership players out and they only got one goal in the first half and that was the worst decision of the year. They didnt break through in the close games and now they are shot. Carlton have so many sheepdogs that Robbo and Juddy are broken men who cant cover for them any more. Massive cleanout coming.

regards,

REB

[Turbo]

Thought your lot went alright for 3 qtrs against Sydney. That was good hard contested footy.

Everyone may be overplaying this though. Ultra competitive in all our losses and could've/should've won each of them with the exception of Sydney. I think the 'in mick we trust' expectation outweighs the reality. It's been 1 blowout loss. There will be at least 10 changes as is suggested but not necessarily outlandish as what being suggested by the media. We need a key forward who can play the majority of the season. Waite doesn't cut it and is now too old. We also need inside mids that beat other mids up with grunt and determination. Too many outside runners who run one way. Need to belt st Kilda this week. It's not likely but more will be learnt from this game than against the pies.

[Jim05]

Saints have won 16 of last 18 against Carlton.

[HH3]

Does anybody else think Cartlon are better off without Waite?

Henderson and Rowe worked really well together the other night, and i heard that was the first time they'd played together.

[Jim05]

Does anybody else think Cartlon are better off without Waite?

Henderson and Rowe worked really well together the other night, and i heard that was the first time they'd played together.

No, Waite is quality and their best forward by a mile. Just cant get on the field enough though.
Would wait to see how Rowe and Henderson go together against a half decent side first.
Have been impressed by Henderson when he goes forward as a pinch hitter though.
Huge game this week, loser is in real strife

[daysofourlives]

Does anybody else think Cartlon are better off without Waite?

Henderson and Rowe worked really well together the other night, and i heard that was the first time they'd played together.

Sellar and McKernan would work well against the undermanned St Kilda defence

[HH3]

Does anybody else think Cartlon are better off without Waite?

Henderson and Rowe worked really well together the other night, and i heard that was the first time they'd played together.

No, Waite is quality and their best forward by a mile. Just cant get on the field enough though.
Would wait to see how Rowe and Henderson go together against a half decent side first.
Have been impressed by Henderson when he goes forward as a pinch hitter though.
Huge game this week, loser is in real strife

Waite will be 31 at the start of next season. He plays a handful of games between his injuries and suspensions. With Carlton no where near winning a flag, wouldnt it be better investing in the future, and giving some younger guys games to develop?

Do Carlton use two tall forwards when Waite is playing? Or is Waite the main target with their small forwards crumbing?

[gadj1976]

Does anybody else think Cartlon are better off without Waite?

Henderson and Rowe worked really well together the other night, and i heard that was the first time they'd played together.

No, Waite is quality and their best forward by a mile. Just cant get on the field enough though.
Would wait to see how Rowe and Henderson go together against a half decent side first.
Have been impressed by Henderson when he goes forward as a pinch hitter though.
Huge game this week, loser is in real strife

Having three of Rowe/Casboult, Henderson and Waite are requirements up forward for us to be competitive. Watson needs to step up - after showing glimpses on Sat night - against the big boys and thereby release Henderson to play forward.

We need another big backman and a key forward to 1. take the heat off the younger forwards (Rowe and Casboult) and 2. Cover for Waite when he only plays 9 games next year.

[stan]

Carlton look much better with Henderson up forward. He really has been impressive up there. Also Rowe was good as well, which sort of means you need him as your second ruckmen and forward. I agree with what you gus have said about Watson. If he can step up and take that 2nd key defensive role then that will free up henderson. Again alot rests on Jamison but he is a good backmen.

As for Waite well you can really factor him into your team structure as your not sure when he'll be playing and for how long. Which is a shame as he is a really good player.

You guys really just need that one key forward or even a young developing forward. Perhaps Carlton need to look at trading for the No.1 pick. really Kruzer is your no.1 ruckmen and really with Rowe in the side I cant see the space for Hampson and Warnock in the side, so perhaps its a combination of either one of those and perhaps somehting involving Yarren as well to get it. IF you can pull that off then of course its not an immediate fix but a longer term solution. Really Judd, Scottland etc wont be there for the next flag tilt. Anyway just a thought.

[gadj1976]

I might get shot for this, but I'm now looking at 2014.

The media is suggesting us to try and get Boyd, the no 1 draft pick, so I'm thinking, what would GWS give up the no 1 pick for. Given we'll get pick 10 or thereabouts, we'd have to trade that and a player or players.

So I'm thinking, who does GWS need, that Carlton have that will increase our chances of getting Boyd.

My initial thoughts are that GWS aren't going to give up pick 1 for nothing. They're going to want our best player. In no particular order, I see our best players our noteable untouchables as;

Gibbs
Kruezer
Judd
Murphy

So our next best are;

Simpson
Walker
Henderson

Trading Henderson is only going to weaken our defence/forwards so he's off limits. But Simpson and Walker could be the people targeted. Walker appeals more to GWS in my opinion because of his body, his ability to rebound and deliver to key forwards and his workrate.

I love Andrew Walker in a Carlton team but I realise we're only mediocre at the moment. To progress, we need something to give in order to build into a top 4 team.

So provided it was ok with the individuals, I'd go for a trade, no 1 draft pick with Walker and maybe a Warnock.

Thoughts?

[CoverKing]

Warnock, Hampson and pick 10?

[Turbo]

Warnock, Hampson and pick 10?

I'd take that. Not sure the giants would though

[Turbo]

I might get shot for this, but I'm now looking at 2014.

The media is suggesting us to try and get Boyd, the no 1 draft pick, so I'm thinking, what would GWS give up the no 1 pick for. Given we'll get pick 10 or thereabouts, we'd have to trade that and a player or players.

So I'm thinking, who does GWS need, that Carlton have that will increase our chances of getting Boyd.

My initial thoughts are that GWS aren't going to give up pick 1 for nothing. They're going to want our best player. In no particular order, I see our best players our noteable untouchables as;

Gibbs
Kruezer
Judd
Murphy

So our next best are;

Simpson
Walker
Henderson

Trading Henderson is only going to weaken our defence/forwards so he's off limits. But Simpson and Walker could be the people targeted. Walker appeals more to GWS in my opinion because of his body, his ability to rebound and deliver to key forwards and his workrate.

I love Andrew Walker in a Carlton team but I realise we're only mediocre at the moment. To progress, we need something to give in order to build into a top 4 team.

So provided it was ok with the individuals, I'd go for a trade, no 1 draft pick with Walker and maybe a Warnock.

Thoughts?

Reckon they would have their eyes on yarran with maybe a Warnock and our number 1

[The Sleeping Giant]

Warnock, Hampson and pick 10?

Not a chance

[The Sleeping Giant]

I might get shot for this, but I'm now looking at 2014.

The media is suggesting us to try and get Boyd, the no 1 draft pick, so I'm thinking, what would GWS give up the no 1 pick for. Given we'll get pick 10 or thereabouts, we'd have to trade that and a player or players.

So I'm thinking, who does GWS need, that Carlton have that will increase our chances of getting Boyd.

My initial thoughts are that GWS aren't going to give up pick 1 for nothing. They're going to want our best player. In no particular order, I see our best players our noteable untouchables as;

Gibbs
Kruezer
Judd
Murphy

So our next best are;

Simpson
Walker
Henderson

Trading Henderson is only going to weaken our defence/forwards so he's off limits. But Simpson and Walker could be the people targeted. Walker appeals more to GWS in my opinion because of his body, his ability to rebound and deliver to key forwards and his workrate.

I love Andrew Walker in a Carlton team but I realise we're only mediocre at the moment. To progress, we need something to give in order to build into a top 4 team.

So provided it was ok with the individuals, I'd go for a trade, no 1 draft pick with Walker and maybe a Warnock.

Thoughts?

Reckon they would have their eyes on yarran with maybe a Warnock and our number 1

Not worth it either. From what was said by GWS, you would have offer something other than players who can't even get a game with a side unlikely to play finals.

[CoverKing]

Warnock, Hampson and pick 10?

Not a chance

I know, just seeing how highly Carlton people rated those two