AFL Reserves Discussion...

[UK Fan]

Oh FFFS!!
Give 'em reserves teams, all their listed players and the Crows top up players from the u/18s not selected in other clubs league teams. Both reserve teams play in the SANFL ressies competition.
Port keep their zone and the Magpies play as the league team - their juniors still have a pathway to their AFL team - even though we know it's not the case but if they want to believe it who am I to stop them....
Crows get a reserves team and save truck loads of cash having to fly ressies players to an interstate competition
SANFL league competition integrity improved (not having to play AFL listed players in it).
Not what every one wants but everyone still wins.
How hard is it???

There it is folks. I dont think anyone would argue with this.

Myself and a few SANFL presidents would

Well, I guess I'd respect a few of those opinions then.

And I can assure you, none of us would care either way.

[TimmiesChin]

What is the point of Port Magpies keeping their zone and juniors if they cannot develop into the league team that is clogged with AFL listed players?

Anyone thought about the players themselves that will be trapped in Port's zone with their ambitions of playing league or AFL being hampered by a league team that wants to simply develop its AFL players? I can see many of these players requesting transfers to other SANFL clubs and these support teams at the Magpies being filled with players that wont make a higher grade and therefore getting pumped every week. How does that make sense?

If there are AFL reserve teams next year, on average you would probably expect between 10 and 18 spots to be filled by AFL listed players. But there's nothing to stop a condition by which no more than X AFL listed players could play league each week - I've suggested 14 earlier.

Players with ambitions to play AFL in probably 90% of cases are selected as 18 year olds. Currently, most kids selected are either playing mainly U18 or are promoted on talent to higher grades because they are excelling ... and no doubt already on the radar.

I can definitely see players transferring out, these would probably be the players on the league/reserves margin where more opportunities elsewhere would be desirable. But this wouldn't result in them getting pumped every week I wouldn't think. I'd also imagine a condition of such an arrangement would cater for transfers out to other clubs.

But again, keeping Port in all grades (and having the crows do the same) would actually increase the number of non AFL listed players playing senior footy in the SANFL, so under that argument, it provides more opportunites for talented kids (at all clubs) to push their AFL ambitions.

[CUTTERMAN]

Wouldn't that mean Port supporters need to find another conspiracy theory and David "The Pied Piper of Port Adelaide" Koch would need to find some other way to fluff his ego?
Seriously, the SANFL reserves proposal is the only option that makes any sense for all parties, sadly it won't happen.

[UK Fan]

What is the point of Port Magpies keeping their zone and juniors if they cannot develop into the league team that is clogged with AFL listed players?

Anyone thought about the players themselves that will be trapped in Port's zone with their ambitions of playing league or AFL being hampered by a league team that wants to simply develop its AFL players? I can see many of these players requesting transfers to other SANFL clubs and these support teams at the Magpies being filled with players that wont make a higher grade and therefore getting pumped every week. How does that make sense?

EXACTLY!!!!!

[Booney]

What is the point of Port Magpies keeping their zone and juniors if they cannot develop into the league team that is clogged with AFL listed players?

Anyone thought about the players themselves that will be trapped in Port's zone with their ambitions of playing league or AFL being hampered by a league team that wants to simply develop its AFL players? I can see many of these players requesting transfers to other SANFL clubs and these support teams at the Magpies being filled with players that wont make a higher grade and therefore getting pumped every week. How does that make sense?

So, is this a risk Port is willing to take to have the SANFL accept our proposal? I think it is.

Personally, I think the Magpies would seriously struggle if Ports preferred model was (?) to be accepted.

I noted in a previous post that a talent laden kid from Rosewater could play U18's for the Magpies, reserves and maybe league (depending on AFL numbers available on any given week ) and I would expect him, if not drafted to AFL ranks, to seek greater opportunity at another SANFL club. How is that an advantage to Port?

[Ecky]

The irony is that Port's reluctance to give up their zones and under-age teams might be the one thing that saves us from this AFL reserves rubbish.

Whicker insists that Port and the Crows must be treated the same.

So Port may well begrudgingly prefer to keep the status quo rather than lose their zones etc.

Which means the Crows may be forced to go elsewhere or keep the status quo too.

PS I asked a Crows official whether the Crows REALLY want all their reserve ruckmen playing together in the same team next year. The reply was "I really don't think anyone has thought that far ahead yet."

[Dutchy]

What is the point of Port Magpies keeping their zone and juniors if they cannot develop into the league team that is clogged with AFL listed players?

Anyone thought about the players themselves that will be trapped in Port's zone with their ambitions of playing league or AFL being hampered by a league team that wants to simply develop its AFL players? I can see many of these players requesting transfers to other SANFL clubs and these support teams at the Magpies being filled with players that wont make a higher grade and therefore getting pumped every week. How does that make sense?

So, is this a risk Port is willing to take to have the SANFL accept our proposal? I think it is.

Personally, I think the Magpies would seriously struggle if Ports preferred model was (?) to be accepted.

I noted in a previous post that a talent laden kid from Rosewater could play U18's for the Magpies, reserves and maybe league (depending on AFL numbers available on any given week ) and I would expect him, if not drafted to AFL ranks, to seek greater opportunity at another SANFL club. How is that an advantage to Port?

There is no advantage, Im just trying to find the point of PAFC keeping all the grades when they cannot develop a talented kid fully in their proposed structure.

If their zone was given to the other 8 clubs then the talented kids have an un-interupted pathway to follow to league footy and beyond.

[TimmiesChin]

If their zone was given to the other 8 clubs then the talented kids have an un-interupted pathway to follow to league footy and beyond.

Based on the proposal I had above, how do they not have an uninterrupted pathway at Port.

* Some of the spots taken by AFL listed players would be mitigated by Port not having access to interstate recruits.
* A guaranteed number of locals in league side each week, based on upper limits of AFL players in league each week.
* With 10 U18 sides (8 + port + crows), there would me more opportunities for SA kids to develop and push their case at underage level, while at senior level, overall there would also me more spots available, allowing for greater opportunity for pathways.

[FOURTH ESTATE]

Why should Port Adelaide get what no other AFL club has?

Recruiting Zone,
Exclusive U/18's & U16's

Just P1$$ off will you. You made your own bed when you stabbed everyone in the back in 1990 for your own personal gain and ruined our SANFL competition for your own greed!!!!!

[JohnnyG]

Why should Port Adelaide get what no other AFL club has?

Recruiting Zone,
Exclusive U/18's & U16's

Just P1$$ off will you. You made your own bed when you stabbed everyone in the back in 1990 for your own personal gain and ruined our SANFL competition for your own greed!!!!!

Furthermore, why should Port (Magpies) get what no other SANFL club has?

[Pseudo]

Yep I'm happy with current structure.

I don't want the maggies to die but unfortunately it seems inevitable that your AFL club will sacrifice you for the greater good. Which was inevitable as soon as the one club merger was approved IMHO !!

See, I too could live with the current situation, and its a better option for me than disbanding the magpies.

Well find other similar minded folks and lobby your club to leave the Magpies alone. As it stands, the AFL Port will kill the SANFL Port.

[Pseudo]

heres a solution thats a win win for everyone. I propose all power players and crows players play for the bays and we can then top up with essendon players that may not be playing next year. this way the bays may eventually win another game.

[TimmiesChin]

Well find other similar minded folks and lobby your club to leave the Magpies alone. As it stands, the AFL Port will kill the SANFL Port.

My understanding is many of the non-port supporters on this forum don't want that option either ... they want the AFL players out.

[kickinit]

Are you that thick? The whole process for any change is being driven by the Crows and Port. Why does the SANFL have to justify anything? All that has been debated is that if Port wish to make these changes then something has to give. There is always the option open to them to decide that keeping the status quo will do. Once again the SANFL aren't the ones trying to change anything. If Port lose their zones, sell their soul etc. it's Port's doing, not the SANFL's.

i'm thick yet you seem to not understand what your saying. The SANFL aren't the ones changing anything, yet all Port want to do is move their AFL players to the Magpies. Port has always stated it wanted to keep it's jnr sides. So tell me who wants to change that? Why does Port having jnr sides have to give, it's gives them no advantage what so ever. And still no one on here can give an example of how it will.

[kickinit]

What is the point of Port Magpies keeping their zone and juniors if they cannot develop into the league team that is clogged with AFL listed players?

Anyone thought about the players themselves that will be trapped in Port's zone with their ambitions of playing league or AFL being hampered by a league team that wants to simply develop its AFL players? I can see many of these players requesting transfers to other SANFL clubs and these support teams at the Magpies being filled with players that wont make a higher grade and therefore getting pumped every week. How does that make sense?

how many kids under the age of 18 are currently playing league footy? Port proposal also stats that port will only recruit players for reserves and league spots from their zones. Which could possibly give kids playing jnr's more chance to play league footy then at another SANFL club. Not only that with the crows having a team there will be more spots available in the SANFL. Not only that but once they have finished playing u18 they will be able to move to another SANFL club if they wish to.

[Jim05]

Are you that thick? The whole process for any change is being driven by the Crows and Port. Why does the SANFL have to justify anything? All that has been debated is that if Port wish to make these changes then something has to give. There is always the option open to them to decide that keeping the status quo will do. Once again the SANFL aren't the ones trying to change anything. If Port lose their zones, sell their soul etc. it's Port's doing, not the SANFL's.

i'm thick yet you seem to not understand what your saying. The SANFL aren't the ones changing anything, yet all Port want to do is move their AFL players to the Magpies. Port has always stated it wanted to keep it's jnr sides. So tell me who wants to change that? Why does Port having jnr sides have to give, it's gives them no advantage what so ever. And still no one on here can give an example of how it will.

Your juniors would have an advantage over ours for starters.
As Kochie said last night the Port juniors would train with the Power and have the benefit of senior coaches. He also mentioned that fitness coaches like Burgess would work with the juniors, how is that fair.
If the deal was to happen the Magpies teams must not be allowed to have any interaction with the AFL side of things at all.

[The Sleeping Giant]

Watched some of the VFL game between Port Melbourne and the Bendigo Gold (formerly Bombers) on the weekend. Club directors only have to watch that game to see what level the sanfl could drop too.

[LPH]

Why should Port Adelaide get what no other AFL club has?

Recruiting Zone,
Exclusive U/18's & U16's

Just P1$$ off will you. You made your own bed when you stabbed everyone in the back in 1990 for your own personal gain and ruined our SANFL competition for your own greed!!!!!

***LIKE***

[CUTTERMAN]

Are you that thick? The whole process for any change is being driven by the Crows and Port. Why does the SANFL have to justify anything? All that has been debated is that if Port wish to make these changes then something has to give. There is always the option open to them to decide that keeping the status quo will do. Once again the SANFL aren't the ones trying to change anything. If Port lose their zones, sell their soul etc. it's Port's doing, not the SANFL's.

i'm thick yet you seem to not understand what your saying. The SANFL aren't the ones changing anything, yet all Port want to do is move their AFL players to the Magpies. Port has always stated it wanted to keep it's jnr sides. So tell me who wants to change that? Why does Port having jnr sides have to give, it's gives them no advantage what so ever. And still no one on here can give an example of how it will.

I clearly remember PAFC stating that "Port Magpies will NEVER be the Power reserves team" as a key part of their One Club proposal.
So who's changing what?
On top of that why would anyone from the SANFL trust any promises PAFC make, they are proven to continually break them and show scant regard for their actions.

[therisingblues]

Spot on Cutterman.
I thought this part was funny myself:

Are you that thick? The whole process for any change is being driven by the Crows and Port. Why does the SANFL have to justify anything? All that has been debated is that if Port wish to make these changes then something has to give. There is always the option open to them to decide that keeping the status quo will do. Once again the SANFL aren't the ones trying to change anything. If Port lose their zones, sell their soul etc. it's Port's doing, not the SANFL's.

i'm thick yet you seem to not understand what your saying. The SANFL aren't the ones changing anything, yet all Port want to do is move their AFL players to the Magpies. Port has always stated it wanted to keep it's jnr sides. So tell me who wants to change that? Why does Port having jnr sides have to give, it's gives them no advantage what so ever. And still no one on here can give an example of how it will.

Oh! Is that all?