AFL Reserves Discussion...

[CENTURION]

A healthy SANFL = a healthy AFL. Just wait until The AFL has an up and running reserves comp, then the SANFL will be preserved & will become healthier!

[UK Fan]

That would be my preferred option.
I think it works quiet well ATM, obviously some minor issues that could be handled better but I think in terms of development it works well

That seems to then suggest ports proposal is 'closer' to what you want than the crows.... the only difference in ports and your model being where about a dozen AFL reserves players play each week?

What would port fans prefer

A) Port reserves take over port magpies in SANFL but you lose reserves, 18s , 16s plus recruiting zones.

B) Port Magpies removed from league. Port power reserves compete in SANFL reserves. You keep 18s 16s and traditional recruiting zones(something crows won't have).

Well Let's be honest, if there is no league side, there's very little point in underage sides as there's no longer a pathway.

Both options also mean less players involved in sanfl footy at senior level as there are less places available.

Would you be happy if the current arrangement continued as is?

Yep I'm happy with current structure.

I don't want the maggies to die but unfortunately it seems inevitable that your AFL club will sacrifice you for the greater good. Which was inevitable as soon as the one club merger was approved IMHO !!

[beenreal]

um port only want to move the players they pay and some they have recruited from interstate in their team. The SANFL clubs are the ones that want to get rid off Port's zone. Do you seriously think removing 100 kids from your jnr's is good for the league. Hey I understand if port could recruit directly from their jnr's that it would be a issue, but with the national draft they can't do. The SANFL can't give a reason because they don't have one for it.

They can spruik on about their many versions of "uncompromised" and "integrity" all they like. Reality is they constantly accuse us of being selfish but it's all about creating an opportunity to get their grubby hands on our zones.

I love how it's all about the poor downtrodden youth of the Lefevre Peninsula who now won't get a look-in at senior level because of all of Port's AFL-listed players, but the Gowans Twins migrate from Melbourne and elbow their way through 10+ years of league football as nothing more than highly-paid mercenaries and no-one cries tears for Staxon de Mille and Doug Deep of Tanunda who surely would've played 500 games between them instead.

[on the rails]

beenreal - go and look up what the other AFL Clubs have re zones and junior set ups - they don't!

As for interstate ex AFL or VFL players - how many have the PAFC got over the years and how many presently play in the Magpie side keeping local players out! You really are clutching at straws now using that as part of the argument!

[UK Fan]

um port only want to move the players they pay and some they have recruited from interstate in their team. The SANFL clubs are the ones that want to get rid off Port's zone. Do you seriously think removing 100 kids from your jnr's is good for the league. Hey I understand if port could recruit directly from their jnr's that it would be a issue, but with the national draft they can't do. The SANFL can't give a reason because they don't have one for it.

Anybody else predicting kickedinhead is going to regurgitate his 100 kids out of SANFL claim rainman style for another 5 pages.

[TimmiesChin]

Yep I'm happy with current structure.

I don't want the maggies to die but unfortunately it seems inevitable that your AFL club will sacrifice you for the greater good. Which was inevitable as soon as the one club merger was approved IMHO !!

See, I too could live with the current situation, and its a better option for me than disbanding the magpies.

I would though propose that when new players were brought into the state via AFL drafts, that the mini draft was split down the middle with only the Crows father/son aligned clubs able to select Crows players, and similar for Port. That way you get more of a critical mass of Port/Crows players at individual SANFL clubs, which makes it easier for development officers to do their job and encourages the fostering of relationships between AFL and SANFL clubs. Perhaps the AFL aligned players could then be "swapped" between these clubs on a needs basis - rather than players being 'moved'. So if Centrals were aligned to the Power and had a surplus of onballers, but needed a tall, and the Eagles had a surplus of talls and needed an onballer, they could swap an AFL listed tall for an AFL listed onballer.

That being said, my point earlier was that the proposed Port model seems a lot closer to the status quo than the Crows model, which seems to call for the Crows to "borrow" players from SANFL clubs to make up their list. I'm not arguing whether AFL players should be in the SANFL or not, but arguing which model has bigger impact on the SANFL.

Imagine the case where they have 4 or 5 Eagles players filling in for them, the Crows are playing West and a win would knock the Eagles out the 5.... I can't imagine the Eagles players giving their all.

I just feel that players should be aligned to a club for an entire season rather than floating between SANFL club and AFL top up.

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I would have thought that a model with less impact (if reserves AFL sides is decided as the way to go) was that the Crows/Port BOTH had full sides in all grades.
Set it up so that only 14 AFL listed players could play league at any given time (which would usually be the case I would think).
Take the port recruiting zone and share it with the crows (perhaps reduce it somewhat if needed, but I'd imagine both clubs having half the recruiting zone of other SANFL clubs wouldn't be far off). Prevent Port/Crows from recruiting players to SANFL from interstate, or from other clubs.
Reduce the salary cap, and have the AFL clubs contribute funds to allow the other clubs salary cap to be expanded by 10/20% to allow them to recruit players to replace the AFL listed players they lose. (because ultimately, if the AFL aligned players get pulled, each club is losing 4/5 regular senior players).
This also means there would be 10 sides in all grades, so no weird draw where either reserve sides played two byes a round and it becomes difficult to create an even draw .....

[rod_rooster]

um port only want to move the players they pay and some they have recruited from interstate in their team. The SANFL clubs are the ones that want to get rid off Port's zone. Do you seriously think removing 100 kids from your jnr's is good for the league. Hey I understand if port could recruit directly from their jnr's that it would be a issue, but with the national draft they can't do. The SANFL can't give a reason because they don't have one for it.

Once again, the SANFL don't have to give a reason. It's up to Port and the Crows to convince the SANFL as to why things should change. It is the AFL clubs trying to convince the SANFL to do something not the other way around.

Basically, the two AFL clubs are trying to force something on the SANFL. If they say no the reason isn't important. No means NO.

Um so your saying it the crows or power pushing for port to lose the jnr sides? No it's the sanfl clubs trying to force this on port, that's why according to what you have said the sanfl need to convince us why this is needed

Are you that thick? The whole process for any change is being driven by the Crows and Port. Why does the SANFL have to justify anything? All that has been debated is that if Port wish to make these changes then something has to give. There is always the option open to them to decide that keeping the status quo will do. Once again the SANFL aren't the ones trying to change anything. If Port lose their zones, sell their soul etc. it's Port's doing, not the SANFL's.

[am Bays]

Oh FFFS!!

Give 'em reserves teams, all their listed players and the Crows top up players from the u/18s not selected in other clubs league teams. Both reserve teams play in the SANFL ressies competition.

Port keep their zone and the Magpies play as the league team - their juniors still have a pathway to their AFL team - even though we know it's not the case but if they want to believe it who am I to stop them....
Crows get a reserves team and save truck loads of cash having to fly ressies players to an interstate competition
SANFL league competition integrity improved (not having to play AFL listed players in it).

Not what every one wants but everyone still wins.

How hard is it???

[areaman]

They can spruik on about their many versions of "uncompromised" and "integrity" all they like. Reality is they constantly accuse us of being selfish but it's all about creating an opportunity to get their grubby hands on our zones.

Spot on. The 8 SANFL clubs have been secretly lobbying the Crows and Power to put in proposals to join the SANFL so we can get our hands on 1/8th of Port's recruiting zone.

The game's up people. We've been found out.

In other news, Elvis is still alive and the US Government faked the moon landing.

[Booney]

Oh FFFS!!

Give 'em reserves teams, all their listed players and the Crows top up players from the u/18s not selected in other clubs league teams. Both reserve teams play in the SANFL ressies competition.

Port keep their zone and the Magpies play as the league team - their juniors still have a pathway to their AFL team - even though we know it's not the case but if they want to believe it who am I to stop them....
Crows get a reserves team and save truck loads of cash having to fly ressies players to an interstate competition
SANFL league competition integrity improved (not having to play AFL listed players in it).

Not what every one wants but everyone still wins.

How hard is it???

There it is folks. I dont think anyone would argue with this.

[UK Fan]

Oh FFFS!!

Give 'em reserves teams, all their listed players and the Crows top up players from the u/18s not selected in other clubs league teams. Both reserve teams play in the SANFL ressies competition.

Port keep their zone and the Magpies play as the league team - their juniors still have a pathway to their AFL team - even though we know it's not the case but if they want to believe it who am I to stop them....
Crows get a reserves team and save truck loads of cash having to fly ressies players to an interstate competition
SANFL league competition integrity improved (not having to play AFL listed players in it).

Not what every one wants but everyone still wins.

How hard is it???

Its not hard at all. You just vote "no".

[gossipgirl]

heres a solution thats a win win for everyone. I propose all power players and crows players play for the bays and we can then top up with essendon players that may not be playing next year. this way the bays may eventually win another game.

perhaps hirdy could replace massie as the coach as well.

you know it makes sense

[Apachebulldog]

Heres another suggestion lets top them u[ with players from maybe the American AFL or maybe the Danish league

[dedja]

Lingerie Football League ...

[UK Fan]

Oh FFFS!!

Give 'em reserves teams, all their listed players and the Crows top up players from the u/18s not selected in other clubs league teams. Both reserve teams play in the SANFL ressies competition.

Port keep their zone and the Magpies play as the league team - their juniors still have a pathway to their AFL team - even though we know it's not the case but if they want to believe it who am I to stop them....
Crows get a reserves team and save truck loads of cash having to fly ressies players to an interstate competition
SANFL league competition integrity improved (not having to play AFL listed players in it).

Not what every one wants but everyone still wins.

How hard is it???

There it is folks. I dont think anyone would argue with this.

Myself and a few SANFL presidents would

[Booney]

Oh FFFS!!
Give 'em reserves teams, all their listed players and the Crows top up players from the u/18s not selected in other clubs league teams. Both reserve teams play in the SANFL ressies competition.
Port keep their zone and the Magpies play as the league team - their juniors still have a pathway to their AFL team - even though we know it's not the case but if they want to believe it who am I to stop them....
Crows get a reserves team and save truck loads of cash having to fly ressies players to an interstate competition
SANFL league competition integrity improved (not having to play AFL listed players in it).
Not what every one wants but everyone still wins.
How hard is it???

There it is folks. I dont think anyone would argue with this.

Myself and a few SANFL presidents would

Well, I guess I'd respect a few of those opinions then.

[Dogwatcher]

I love how it's all about the poor downtrodden youth of the Lefevre Peninsula who now won't get a look-in at senior level because of all of Port's AFL-listed players, but the Gowans Twins migrate from Melbourne and elbow their way through 10+ years of league football as nothing more than highly-paid mercenaries and no-one cries tears for Staxon de Mille and Doug Deep of Tanunda who surely would've played 500 games between them instead.

Yeah, because SANFL clubs have never recruited before. There's a difference between AFL-listed players and recruiting.

Sorry, Russell Johnston, sorry, Spiro and Tony, sorry, Bomber, sorry Jack and Fos, you blokes were only highly-paid mercenaries.

Biff Merchant, from Semaphore, and Grave Danger Jnr, of 35 Dragged Up By the Bootstraps Street, Alberton, missed out on Magpie glory, while you blokes elbowed your way through 10+ years of league football glory and became part of the Port Adelaide tradition.

[RB]

heres a solution thats a win win for everyone. I propose all power players and crows players play for the bays and we can then top up with essendon players that may not be playing next year. this way the bays may eventually win another game.

perhaps hirdy could replace massie as the coach as well.

you know it makes sense

Nah, Matthew Knights! You know you want him!

[Dutchy]

What is the point of Port Magpies keeping their zone and juniors if they cannot develop into the league team that is clogged with AFL listed players?

Anyone thought about the players themselves that will be trapped in Port's zone with their ambitions of playing league or AFL being hampered by a league team that wants to simply develop its AFL players? I can see many of these players requesting transfers to other SANFL clubs and these support teams at the Magpies being filled with players that wont make a higher grade and therefore getting pumped every week. How does that make sense?

[mighty_tiger_79]

heres a solution thats a win win for everyone. I propose all power players and crows players play for the bays and we can then top up with essendon players that may not be playing next year. this way the bays may eventually win another game.

perhaps hirdy could replace massie as the coach as well.

you know it makes sense

Nah, Matthew Knights! You know you want him!

Current VFL Premiership coach