AFL Reserves Discussion...

[Jim05]

you all go on about koche but like rowey no one is still to put forward why port having a u/16 u/18 and reserves side will give them a advantage. The crows have said it doesn't care if Port have them, so to all you poster give 1 good reason why it will give port a advantage.

Funny that you Port people didnt care if this happened when you first entered the AFL.
You wanted to move to a better comp so why do you want to stay in an inferior comp?
No other AFL side has u16's or u18's, why should Port

Hang on your so against the AFL teams having their reserves and want the integrity of the SANFL to be kept. But on the other hand you want to kick out 100 jnr's. Port Adelaide are not going to achieve anything from having a u16 or u18. The only thing it will do is increase the strength of SA Football, which is what you are fighting for.

No I just want you to choose one or the other.
Id be very happy for things for the Magpies to stay as they are as long as the AFL reserves stay out.
You want the best of both worlds, time to choose what you want more, the Magpies to stay as is and have no AFL reserves or have AFL reserves and lose the Magpies

[Jim05]

So by that do you mean, port magpies stay as is with 'some' AFL players, and the rest spread around the other sanfl clubs .... as is currently the case?

That would be my preferred option.
I think it works quiet well ATM, obviously some minor issues that could be handled better but I think in terms of development it works well

[TimmiesChin]

So by that do you mean, port magpies stay as is with 'some' AFL players, and the rest spread around the other sanfl clubs .... as is currently the case?

That would be my preferred option.
I think it works quiet well ATM, obviously some minor issues that could be handled better but I think in terms of development it works well

That seems to then suggest ports proposal is 'closer' to what you want than the crows.... the only difference in ports and your model being where about a dozen AFL reserves players play each week?

[wild dog]

you all go on about koche but like rowey no one is still to put forward why port having a u/16 u/18 and reserves side will give them a advantage. The crows have said it doesn't care if Port have them, so to all you poster give 1 good reason why it will give port a advantage.

Let me see, Port having its AFL players in the SANFL , plus the best of its zone to develop, plus the ability to recruit as per the other SANFL clubs, which equates to a massive pool of players to create an SANFL team from. All with the selling point of the traditional SANFL club striving to win the premiership plus the lure of an AFL listing.

Can you see with just a modicum of objectivity, that Port would have an advantage. Of course the Crows aren't going to object, their stated aim is to have a team in the SANFL. Why muddy the water stirring up Ports campaign.

[Aerie]

you all go on about koche but like rowey no one is still to put forward why port having a u/16 u/18 and reserves side will give them a advantage. The crows have said it doesn't care if Port have them, so to all you poster give 1 good reason why it will give port a advantage.

Let me see, Port having its AFL players in the SANFL , plus the best of its zone to develop, plus the ability to recruit as per the other SANFL clubs, which equates to a massive pool of players to create an SANFL team from. All with the selling point of the traditional SANFL club striving to win the premiership plus the lure of an AFL listing.

Can you see with just a modicum of objectivity, that Port would have an advantage. Of course the Crows aren't going to object, their stated aim is to have a team in the SANFL. Why muddy the water stirring up Ports campaign.

Not to mention the ability to contract any SANFL players that nominate for the draft, and therefore having the opportunity to take their pick of the best talent the SANFL clubs have to offer, to then use against them.

Both proposals go from one extreme to the other. Port's is an unfair advantage and Crows is a joke.

[TimmiesChin]

you all go on about koche but like rowey no one is still to put forward why port having a u/16 u/18 and reserves side will give them a advantage. The crows have said it doesn't care if Port have them, so to all you poster give 1 good reason why it will give port a advantage.

Let me see, Port having its AFL players in the SANFL , plus the best of its zone to develop, plus the ability to recruit as per the other SANFL clubs, which equates to a massive pool of players to create an SANFL team from. All with the selling point of the traditional SANFL club striving to win the premiership plus the lure of an AFL listing.

Can you see with just a modicum of objectivity, that Port would have an advantage. Of course the Crows aren't going to object, their stated aim is to have a team in the SANFL. Why muddy the water stirring up Ports campaign.

Unless I'm mistaken, doesn't ports proposal reduce it's development zone, and prevent it from recruiting from interstate or from other clubs (non AFL listed) .. while also reducing it's salary cap.

[UK Fan]

So by that do you mean, port magpies stay as is with 'some' AFL players, and the rest spread around the other sanfl clubs .... as is currently the case?

That would be my preferred option.
I think it works quiet well ATM, obviously some minor issues that could be handled better but I think in terms of development it works well

That seems to then suggest ports proposal is 'closer' to what you want than the crows.... the only difference in ports and your model being where about a dozen AFL reserves players play each week?

What would port fans prefer

A) Port reserves take over port magpies in SANFL but you lose reserves, 18s , 16s plus recruiting zones.

B) Port Magpies removed from league. Port power reserves compete in SANFL reserves. You keep 18s 16s and traditional recruiting zones(something crows won't have).

[kickinit]

you all go on about koche but like rowey no one is still to put forward why port having a u/16 u/18 and reserves side will give them a advantage. The crows have said it doesn't care if Port have them, so to all you poster give 1 good reason why it will give port a advantage.

Let me see, Port having its AFL players in the SANFL , plus the best of its zone to develop, plus the ability to recruit as per the other SANFL clubs, which equates to a massive pool of players to create an SANFL team from. All with the selling point of the traditional SANFL club striving to win the premiership plus the lure of an AFL listing.

Can you see with just a modicum of objectivity, that Port would have an advantage. Of course the Crows aren't going to object, their stated aim is to have a team in the SANFL. Why muddy the water stirring up Ports campaign.

um 1 you didn't even get close to answering why having u16 and u18 will give them a advantage, and 2 read ports proposal especially the part about not recruiting interstate players and the part about no recruiting out of zone players. which means they will only recruit players from inside its recruiting zones. Just a bit different to how the sanfl clubs recruit.

[kickinit]

So by that do you mean, port magpies stay as is with 'some' AFL players, and the rest spread around the other sanfl clubs .... as is currently the case?

That would be my preferred option.
I think it works quiet well ATM, obviously some minor issues that could be handled better but I think in terms of development it works well

That seems to then suggest ports proposal is 'closer' to what you want than the crows.... the only difference in ports and your model being where about a dozen AFL reserves players play each week?

What would port fans prefer

A) Port reserves take over port magpies in SANFL but you lose reserves, 18s , 16s plus recruiting zones.

B) Port Magpies removed from league. Port power reserves compete in SANFL reserves. You keep 18s 16s and traditional recruiting zones(something crows won't have).

i'll take c) we take our players we pay and stick it up people that think kicking out 100kids is good for the sanfl.

[TimmiesChin]

So by that do you mean, port magpies stay as is with 'some' AFL players, and the rest spread around the other sanfl clubs .... as is currently the case?

That would be my preferred option.
I think it works quiet well ATM, obviously some minor issues that could be handled better but I think in terms of development it works well

That seems to then suggest ports proposal is 'closer' to what you want than the crows.... the only difference in ports and your model being where about a dozen AFL reserves players play each week?

What would port fans prefer

A) Port reserves take over port magpies in SANFL but you lose reserves, 18s , 16s plus recruiting zones.

B) Port Magpies removed from league. Port power reserves compete in SANFL reserves. You keep 18s 16s and traditional recruiting zones(something crows won't have).

Well Let's be honest, if there is no league side, there's very little point in underage sides as there's no longer a pathway.

Both options also mean less players involved in sanfl footy at senior level as there are less places available.

Would you be happy if the current arrangement continued as is?

[rod_rooster]

you all go on about koche but like rowey no one is still to put forward why port having a u/16 u/18 and reserves side will give them a advantage. The crows have said it doesn't care if Port have them, so to all you poster give 1 good reason why it will give port a advantage.

Let me see, Port having its AFL players in the SANFL , plus the best of its zone to develop, plus the ability to recruit as per the other SANFL clubs, which equates to a massive pool of players to create an SANFL team from. All with the selling point of the traditional SANFL club striving to win the premiership plus the lure of an AFL listing.

Can you see with just a modicum of objectivity, that Port would have an advantage. Of course the Crows aren't going to object, their stated aim is to have a team in the SANFL. Why muddy the water stirring up Ports campaign.

um 1 you didn't even get close to answering why having u16 and u18 will give them a advantage, and 2 read ports proposal especially the part about not recruiting interstate players and the part about no recruiting out of zone players. which means they will only recruit players from inside its recruiting zones. Just a bit different to how the sanfl clubs recruit.

You keep telling others they are ignoring things and no answering but you yourself don't seem to get it. Just in case you missed it here's my point from earlier:

you all go on about koche but like rowey no one is still to put forward why port having a u/16 u/18 and reserves side will give them a advantage. The crows have said it doesn't care if Port have them, so to all you poster give 1 good reason why it will give port a advantage.

Why do the SANFL have to provide any reasons to Port? It is Port trying to get things changed not the other way around. It is Port's responsibility to provide reasoning behind their proposal. It would be like someone wanting to paint my house. It's not up to me to provide them reasons why i don't want them to do it it's up to them to convince me that i should let them.

[kickinit]

um port only want to move the players they pay and some they have recruited from interstate in their team. The SANFL clubs are the ones that want to get rid off Port's zone. Do you seriously think removing 100 kids from your jnr's is good for the league. Hey I understand if port could recruit directly from their jnr's that it would be a issue, but with the national draft they can't do. The SANFL can't give a reason because they don't have one for it.

[Jim05]

i'll take c) we take our players we pay and stick it up people that think kicking out 100kids is good for the sanfl.

There is to many kids at underage level now who are not up to standard.
South and Centrals both have underage sides that would struggle to beat some country sides, both would benefit from any re-zoning. The decent kids at Port will still get a game

[rod_rooster]

um port only want to move the players they pay and some they have recruited from interstate in their team. The SANFL clubs are the ones that want to get rid off Port's zone. Do you seriously think removing 100 kids from your jnr's is good for the league. Hey I understand if port could recruit directly from their jnr's that it would be a issue, but with the national draft they can't do. The SANFL can't give a reason because they don't have one for it.

Once again, the SANFL don't have to give a reason. It's up to Port and the Crows to convince the SANFL as to why things should change. It is the AFL clubs trying to convince the SANFL to do something not the other way around.

Basically, the two AFL clubs are trying to force something on the SANFL. If they say no the reason isn't important. No means NO.

[kickinit]

um port only want to move the players they pay and some they have recruited from interstate in their team. The SANFL clubs are the ones that want to get rid off Port's zone. Do you seriously think removing 100 kids from your jnr's is good for the league. Hey I understand if port could recruit directly from their jnr's that it would be a issue, but with the national draft they can't do. The SANFL can't give a reason because they don't have one for it.

Once again, the SANFL don't have to give a reason. It's up to Port and the Crows to convince the SANFL as to why things should change. It is the AFL clubs trying to convince the SANFL to do something not the other way around.

Basically, the two AFL clubs are trying to force something on the SANFL. If they say no the reason isn't important. No means NO.

Um so your saying it the crows or power pushing for port to lose the jnr sides? No it's the sanfl clubs trying to force this on port, that's why according to what you have said the sanfl need to convince us why this is needed

[kickinit]

i'll take c) we take our players we pay and stick it up people that think kicking out 100kids is good for the sanfl.

There is to many kids at underage level now who are not up to standard.
South and Centrals both have underage sides that would struggle to beat some country sides, both would benefit from any re-zoning. The decent kids at Port will still get a game

And you can guarantee this for the life of the sanfl? It's not just about the quality of kids, it means every 4 years the sanfl loses 100 kids. Which would usually grow up playing sanfl footy and later to support sanfl footy. It's like a business wanting to grow by double by years end but they cut half their workforce

[on the rails]

What dollars? ... there's none on offer FFS

That's contrary to what Rob Chapman has been suggesting - he reckons there's $40 K available due to the hypothetical crowd numbers the Crows Reserves Team will bring to every game.

Sadly, I think the 'Men in Suits' are buying it

None of the Directors believe the figure "plucked" by Chapman and they have grave concerns about how many people and $$$ the Crows will actually bring in. They also want, if that is what the Crows persist with, the Crows to commit to paying the approx $20K to $40k amount every week above any licence fee to join if they do not bring in the 2000-4000 fans they say they will bring which we all know is pie in the sky stuff. If it did come in and the Crows dragged 50 to 500 supporters to each suburban ground to watch the seconds play and not the 2000 to 4000 claimed at present then they should be made to pay the difference each week given that is what they are promising. Apparently however the Crows won't commit to that.

The directors also have big concerns over he top up player proposal. My feeling after speaking to 3 Club Presdients is that they are along way off getting any proposal / model that is acceptable at this time.

[UK Fan]

What dollars? ... there's none on offer FFS

That's contrary to what Rob Chapman has been suggesting - he reckons there's $40 K available due to the hypothetical crowd numbers the Crows Reserves Team will bring to every game.

Sadly, I think the 'Men in Suits' are buying it

None of the Directors believe the figure "plucked" by Chapman and they have grave concerns about how many people and $$$ the Crows will actually bring in. They also want, if that is what the Crows persist with, the Crows to commit to paying the approx $20K to $40k amount every week above any licence fee to join if they do not bring in the 2000-4000 fans they say they will bring which we all know is pie in the sky stuff. If it did come in and the Crows dragged 50 to 500 supporters to each suburban ground to watch the seconds play and not the 2000 to 4000 claimed at present then they should be made to pay the difference each week given that is what they are promising. Apparently however the Crows won't commit to that.

The directors also have big concerns over he top up player proposal. My feeling after speaking to 3 Club Presdients is that they are along way off getting any proposal / model that is acceptable at this time.

That's what I'm hearing.

[CENTURION]

I like D), NO AFL IN THE SANFL

[CENTURION]

What dollars? ... there's none on offer FFS

That's contrary to what Rob Chapman has been suggesting - he reckons there's $40 K available due to the hypothetical crowd numbers the Crows Reserves Team will bring to every game.

Sadly, I think the 'Men in Suits' are buying it

None of the Directors believe the figure "plucked" by Chapman and they have grave concerns about how many people and $$$ the Crows will actually bring in. They also want, if that is what the Crows persist with, the Crows to commit to paying the approx $20K to $40k amount every week above any licence fee to join if they do not bring in the 2000-4000 fans they say they will bring which we all know is pie in the sky stuff. If it did come in and the Crows dragged 50 to 500 supporters to each suburban ground to watch the seconds play and not the 2000 to 4000 claimed at present then they should be made to pay the difference each week given that is what they are promising. Apparently however the Crows won't commit to that.

The directors also have big concerns over he top up player proposal. My feeling after speaking to 3 Club Presdients is that they are along way off getting any proposal / model that is acceptable at this time.

That's what I'm hearing.

THAT IS 100% CORRECT! In fact, The Crows proposal is FAR worse than Port's! This is MILES from being resolved!