AFL Reserves Discussion...

[Harry the Horse]

Crows rebadged to ravens, invite policy for top up players, play every game away, self promote in rivals zones the week they play. Am I the only one that thinks this sounds mickey mouse to the extreme and an insult to our 140 year proud comp?

Hardly league football worth paying to see.

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[Macca19]

So seems like its all but a done deal and seems like the Magpies will be no longer in its current form.

I hope the PAFC give the SANFL a multi million dollar bill for their zones that they've developed over 100 years.

And none of the other clubs have developed their zones - what is your point? What about the handout money to prop up "One Club" - you forget that! Selfish and greedy even to the grave!

Why is it wrong to suggest we should be reimbursed for the money we've spent developing a zone, establishing relationships over decades and decades only for other SANFL clubs to come and pick over its zone 'for free'. If Port have to pay for its licence fee for 15 years, a licence fee that we've already paid for mind you, then I would hope we would be sending the SANFL a sizeable bill to allow the other clubs free reign over the zone.

[areaman]

So seems like its all but a done deal and seems like the Magpies will be no longer in its current form.

I hope the PAFC give the SANFL a multi million dollar bill for their zones that they've developed over 100 years.

And none of the other clubs have developed their zones - what is your point? What about the handout money to prop up "One Club" - you forget that! Selfish and greedy even to the grave!

Why is it wrong to suggest we should be reimbursed for the money we've spent developing a zone, establishing relationships over decades and decades only for other SANFL clubs to come and pick over its zone 'for free'. If Port have to pay for its licence fee for 15 years, a licence fee that we've already paid for mind you, then I would hope we would be sending the SANFL a sizeable bill to allow the other clubs free reign over the zone.

What value do you put on your zone and how did you arrive at this value?

Future profits, discounted revenue streams....?

[Harry the Horse]

So seems like its all but a done deal and seems like the Magpies will be no longer in its current form.

I hope the PAFC give the SANFL a multi million dollar bill for their zones that they've developed over 100 years.

And none of the other clubs have developed their zones - what is your point? What about the handout money to prop up "One Club" - you forget that! Selfish and greedy even to the grave!

Why is it wrong to suggest we should be reimbursed for the money we've spent developing a zone, establishing relationships over decades and decades only for other SANFL clubs to come and pick over its zone 'for free'. If Port have to pay for its licence fee for 15 years, a licence fee that we've already paid for mind you, then I would hope we would be sending the SANFL a sizeable bill to allow the other clubs free reign over the zone.

The reason is because Port Adelaide is no longer a member club of the SANFL. It plays under licence only. Port sold out its share when it demanded to be "One Club". Remember? That's when the Power promised that the Magpies would never become Port's AFL reserves team. It was less than three years ago.
So bottom line, you can't get anything for what you don't own.

[CUTTERMAN]

Funny to see Port supporters point the finger of blame at Adelaide for trying to undermine the SANFL comp while they push for gaining unprecedented benefits, allowances and rule changes separate from any other SANFL club.
What a crock of ****!

With so many AFL players filling spots in your League side, I find it highly amusing to read a Sturt supporter passing any sort of comment.

Not sure what that's got to do with anything. Sturt's not pushing for advantageous concessions or anything that puts them on a different playing field than another SANFL club. You're clutching at straws and deflecting away from the truth which you increasingly refuse to face up to.
Forgive us for developing so many AFL footballers that are on local AFL lists.
Monfries, Wingard, Hombsch, McIntrye, Jaensch & Martin.
Footballers that your club benefits from I might add. It's the system that the SANFL have put in place, we're working within it, it's not ideal. However as I said, we're not the ones asking for special advantages or putting ourselves before what is good for the comp as a whole.
I'll take your deflection and continued finger pointing at others as acceptance that what your club is demanding is undefendable.

So you've developed some AFL players, so what? No different to the likes of Greenwood, Ebert, Broomhead, Lycett, etc. that have come out of Alberton.

When my club wants to maintain links to its local community as it has done for the past 143 years, I don't see what I have to defend.

On the other hand, there's Teflon Corp, that simply wants to chuck a side into the SANFL League competition, rotate an "invitee" list and promote their Brand in rival zones during "coaching clinics", but that's OK by some.

You guys have got so many different versions of "integrity" and "uncompromised" you're tying yourselves up in knots.

10,9,8,7,6.......

Your counting is coming along nicely, well done, keep up the good work.
That aside. My point wasn't that Sturt has developed these players but that as we had developed them and they were picked up by local AFL clubs it makes our AFL contingent higher than others, I thought I made that pretty clear previously, why you use Greenwood as an example I've no idea.....12345...
I've no problem with your club maintaining its connection with its zones but you're club is going to have to concede a few demands. What will they be?
AFL reserves in the league and no Magpies or zones?
AFL reserves in the Reserves with Magpies sans AFL players?
At the moment all I get from Port supporters is a toddler with a tantrum shouting "I want, I want, I want".
FWIW I'm against the Adelaide proposal just as much.

[on the rails]

I have been told by our CEO re the meeting that "There was no discussion afterwards on whether it was a likely yes or no for either proposal".

There is still along way to go to decide anything!

[Aerie]

So you've developed some AFL players, so what? No different to the likes of Greenwood, Ebert, Broomhead, Lycett, etc. that have come out of Alberton.

When my club wants to maintain links to its local community as it has done for the past 143 years, I don't see what I have to defend.

On the other hand, there's Teflon Corp, that simply wants to chuck a side into the SANFL League competition, rotate an "invitee" list and promote their Brand in rival zones during "coaching clinics", but that's OK by some.

You guys have got so many different versions of "integrity" and "uncompromised" you're tying yourselves up in knots.

10,9,8,7,6.......

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I agree with beenreal.

The Adelaide Crows model is more dangerous to the integrity of the competition than Port's is. I am flabbergasted that any SANFL directors have a view that both AFL sides should take on the Crows model.

Having said that, I have no sympathy if the Magpies disband, they have brought it on themselves.

I will not be following any competition that has a Crows modelled side playing for points as they suggest.

SURELY this is unacceptable SAFooty?

[Dogwatcher]

On the other hand, there's Teflon Corp, that simply wants to chuck a side into the SANFL League competition, rotate an "invitee" list and promote their Brand in rival zones during "coaching clinics", but that's OK by some.

You guys have got so many different versions of "integrity" and "uncompromised" you're tying yourselves up in knots.

10,9,8,7,6.......

There's that chip on your shoulder again - "look at what the Crows are getting. We want the same. Wah, wah, wah".
You need to do some looking through this thread, I would say 95% of the contributors don't want either clubs' reserves side in the SANFL - which, because you don't seem to realise this I'll explain it to you, means we don't want either side in the league competition.

[Booney]

On the other hand, there's Teflon Corp, that simply wants to chuck a side into the SANFL League competition, rotate an "invitee" list and promote their Brand in rival zones during "coaching clinics", but that's OK by some.

You guys have got so many different versions of "integrity" and "uncompromised" you're tying yourselves up in knots.

10,9,8,7,6.......

There's that chip on your shoulder again - "look at what the Crows are getting. We want the same. Wah, wah, wah".
You need to do some looking through this thread, I would say 95% of the contributors don't want either clubs' reserves side in the SANFL - which, because you don't seem to realise this I'll explain it to you, means we don't want either side in the league competition.

No, we dont want the same as the Crows. Not at all. They are simple proposing a reserves side in the SANFL.No junior development, no connection with amatuer clubs. They dont have a club, they aren't a club. They are a franchise, always have and always will be.

And as Aerie has noted, the Adelaide proposal is much more of an insult than Ports. We want to keep an SANFL presence, we want to remain involved with the community we have been a part of for 140 years, we want to continue to play for SANFL premierships, we want to have kids from Rosewater play in a Magpie guernsey. Whether that kid only gets to play U18's, reserves or league is open to debate, but it gives the Magpies no greater advantage than any other SANFL club doing the same and it gives the Power no greater advantage on the national stage at the draft, to try and recruit this kid.

We get criticised for having the ambition to enter and play in the AFL and we get criticised for wanting to maintain our connection with what has always been Port Adelaide.

[areaman]

On the other hand, there's Teflon Corp, that simply wants to chuck a side into the SANFL League competition, rotate an "invitee" list and promote their Brand in rival zones during "coaching clinics", but that's OK by some.

You guys have got so many different versions of "integrity" and "uncompromised" you're tying yourselves up in knots.

10,9,8,7,6.......

There's that chip on your shoulder again - "look at what the Crows are getting. We want the same. Wah, wah, wah".
You need to do some looking through this thread, I would say 95% of the contributors don't want either clubs' reserves side in the SANFL - which, because you don't seem to realise this I'll explain it to you, means we don't want either side in the league competition.

No, we dont want the same as the Crows. Not at all. They are simple proposing a reserves side in the SANFL.No junior development, no connection with amatuer clubs. They dont have a club, they aren't a club. They are a franchise, always have and always will be.

And as Aerie has noted, the Adelaide proposal is much more of an insult than Ports. We want to keep an SANFL presence, we want to remain involved with the community we have been a part of for 140 years, we want to continue to play for SANFL premierships, we want to have kids from Rosewater play in a Magpie guernsey. Whether that kid only gets to play U18's, reserves or league is open to debate, but it gives the Magpies no greater advantage than any other SANFL club doing the same and it gives the Power no greater advantage on the national stage at the draft, to try and recruit this kid.

We get criticised for having the ambition to enter and play in the AFL and we get criticised for wanting to maintain our connection with what has always been Port Adelaide.

I am also a Crows fan.

I dislike both proposals equally. Both are an insult to the league.

[UK Fan]

So seems like its all but a done deal and seems like the Magpies will be no longer in its current form.

I hope the PAFC give the SANFL a multi million dollar bill for their zones that they've developed over 100 years.

And none of the other clubs have developed their zones - what is your point? What about the handout money to prop up "One Club" - you forget that! Selfish and greedy even to the grave!

Why is it wrong to suggest we should be reimbursed for the money we've spent developing a zone, establishing relationships over decades and decades only for other SANFL clubs to come and pick over its zone 'for free'. If Port have to pay for its licence fee for 15 years, a licence fee that we've already paid for mind you, then I would hope we would be sending the SANFL a sizeable bill to allow the other clubs free reign over the zone.

Bwaahhh tell him he's dreaming

[CUTTERMAN]

On the other hand, there's Teflon Corp, that simply wants to chuck a side into the SANFL League competition, rotate an "invitee" list and promote their Brand in rival zones during "coaching clinics", but that's OK by some.

You guys have got so many different versions of "integrity" and "uncompromised" you're tying yourselves up in knots.

10,9,8,7,6.......

There's that chip on your shoulder again - "look at what the Crows are getting. We want the same. Wah, wah, wah".
You need to do some looking through this thread, I would say 95% of the contributors don't want either clubs' reserves side in the SANFL - which, because you don't seem to realise this I'll explain it to you, means we don't want either side in the league competition.

No, we dont want the same as the Crows. Not at all. They are simple proposing a reserves side in the SANFL.No junior development, no connection with amatuer clubs. They dont have a club, they aren't a club. They are a franchise, always have and always will be.

And as Aerie has noted, the Adelaide proposal is much more of an insult than Ports. We want to keep an SANFL presence, we want to remain involved with the community we have been a part of for 140 years, we want to continue to play for SANFL premierships, we want to have kids from Rosewater play in a Magpie guernsey. Whether that kid only gets to play U18's, reserves or league is open to debate, but it gives the Magpies no greater advantage than any other SANFL club doing the same and it gives the Power no greater advantage on the national stage at the draft, to try and recruit this kid.

We get criticised for having the ambition to enter and play in the AFL and we get criticised for wanting to maintain our connection with what has always been Port Adelaide.

Annnnnd there we have it!
"we want to continue to play for SANFL premierships"
"but it gives the Magpies no greater advantage than any other SANFL club"
Are you seriously telling me you think that under the PAFC proposal Port Magpies will have no greater advantage than the other SANFL clubs. This is exactly THE problem. You are delusional.

[Booney]

So let's say 12 AFL listed players play for the Magpies on any given week.( At an absolute max! )

3-4 are first or second year rookies or 3-4 year players struggling to get a game at AFL level.

The other 9 players have not trained with them, full time, to AFL standards. Yes?

Of those 9, do you think they would be Mieklejohn, Beard, Summerton, Raikiwasa, Gray? Of course not.

Do you think the Magpies would attract a Joel Tippett to the club, hoping for an AFL spot? Well, there's no assurance the Power get to pick him before anyone else does, so I think it is unlikely the Magpies will have anyone but locally developed juniors filling the "other" 8-10 spots.

[drifter]

Time for eagles and bays fans to hold an agm if you are against this.

Check out how many signatures are required for this to occur and get some answer from your CEOs IMHO!!!

Eagles require 100 signatures to call a Special General Meeting.

Well, that's buggered things up. Where you going to find 100 Eagles fans?

[CUTTERMAN]

Don't care how you spin it! If you want teams in the SANFL then you play by the same rules as any other team

[Apachebulldog]

This is all MICKEY MOUSE BULLS@#T the bottom line is SANFL followers do not want AFL reserves teams in our competition.

Mickey Mouse proposals only benefits the Mickey Mouse AFL and not the SANFL.

Most of us SANFL followers want the Magpies to stand alone in our comp they have 143 years of HISTORY So Crows and Power piss off to the VFL F@#K OFF.

[Rucciangelo]

On the other hand, there's Teflon Corp, that simply wants to chuck a side into the SANFL League competition, rotate an "invitee" list and promote their Brand in rival zones during "coaching clinics", but that's OK by some.

You guys have got so many different versions of "integrity" and "uncompromised" you're tying yourselves up in knots.

10,9,8,7,6.......

There's that chip on your shoulder again - "look at what the Crows are getting. We want the same. Wah, wah, wah".
You need to do some looking through this thread, I would say 95% of the contributors don't want either clubs' reserves side in the SANFL - which, because you don't seem to realise this I'll explain it to you, means we don't want either side in the league competition.

No, we dont want the same as the Crows. Not at all. They are simple proposing a reserves side in the SANFL.No junior development, no connection with amatuer clubs. They dont have a club, they aren't a club. They are a franchise, always have and always will be.

And as Aerie has noted, the Adelaide proposal is much more of an insult than Ports. We want to keep an SANFL presence, we want to remain involved with the community we have been a part of for 140 years, we want to continue to play for SANFL premierships, we want to have kids from Rosewater play in a Magpie guernsey. Whether that kid only gets to play U18's, reserves or league is open to debate, but it gives the Magpies no greater advantage than any other SANFL club doing the same and it gives the Power no greater advantage on the national stage at the draft, to try and recruit this kid.

We get criticised for having the ambition to enter and play in the AFL and we get criticised for wanting to maintain our connection with what has always been Port Adelaide.

When you buy the AFL licence from the SANFL you can do what you like...in the mean time you'll do what you're told to do.
Remember when you silly buggers went for this 'One Club' thing you gave up your right to vote on what happens on ALL matters SANFL. Remember that.
The umbilical chord is nearly severed, when it is you're on your own.

[Psyber]

... We get criticised for having the ambition to enter and play in the AFL and we get criticised for wanting to maintain our connection with what has always been Port Adelaide.

Dump the Power connection and the Maggies are welcome to stay as far as I am concerned - just keep any AFL reserves out of the SANFL league.

[kickinit]

So seems like its all but a done deal and seems like the Magpies will be no longer in its current form.

I hope the PAFC give the SANFL a multi million dollar bill for their zones that they've developed over 100 years.

And none of the other clubs have developed their zones - what is your point? What about the handout money to prop up "One Club" - you forget that! Selfish and greedy even to the grave!

and what about the money NAFC need to prop them up over the years? yeh you seem to forget about the hand outs you have gotten.

[saintal]

Crows rebadged to ravens, invite policy for top up players, play every game away, self promote in rivals zones the week they play. Am I the only one that thinks this sounds mickey mouse to the extreme and an insult to our 140 year proud comp?

Hardly league football worth paying to see.

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x1000. Didn't like the vibe of the article one bit.