AFL Reserves Discussion...

[SimonH]

That story is just really, really bad news. The whole implication behind it, is that it's a done deal.

Why would the SANFL run off and spend its resources coming up with a "preferred model" for degradation of its competition? Wouldn't its preferred model simply be that its competition isn't degraded?

Why would any of the 8 club directors vote for this? Because their club needs the cash?

If so, it's just like Fitzroy needed the cash when it voted in favour of admitting the West Coast Eagles into the VFL in about 1986. The main point of difference with that decision, is that the VFL (and then AFL) was able to leverage its TV rights to create rivers of gold that it has used, in part, to prop up old VFL clubs such that 11 out of the 12 clubs who took that vote have survived— left to their own financial viability, at least 4 of them would have folded or merged.

Contrast that with the SANFL 2014, which has to pay (substantial sums) to get itself on TV.

Nice that the Crows and Pahhhhr are being asked to commit for 15 years. I'm sure we can all guess what will be left in 2028, for them to commit to.

[on the rails]

Well Booney / Beenreal - either way if the PAFC want an AFL reserves side, the Magpies as you know it are dead. Even if both Adelaide AFL Clubs put teams into interstate comps in protest at the SANFL and not getting their own way, the Magpies would die under that model as well simply on cost alone regardless if the SANFL allowed the Magpies to continue as a proper SANFL entity if the Power went interstate!

[SimonH]

Norwood lead the "no" charge.Then they come up with a 2 year trial.Could they not think of anything more disruptive?

Trial in the SANFL reserves. Requiring that they play on the moon would be more disruptive, but not so likely to attract votes.

[SimonH]

Well Booney / Beenreal - either way if the PAFC want an AFL reserves side, the Magpies as you know it are dead. Even if both Adelaide AFL Clubs put teams into interstate comps in protest at the SANFL and not getting their own way, the Magpies would die under that model as well simply on cost alone regardless if the SANFL allowed the Magpies to continue as a proper SANFL entity if the Power went interstate!

On the current attitude of the various parties, SANFL reserves is the only model that would potentially allow the Magpies to survive, as little/no additional cost to One Port (trusting that Maggies were allowed to not field a reserves side). And SANFL reserves has apparently been rejected.

[CUTTERMAN]

Funny to see Port supporters point the finger of blame at Adelaide for trying to undermine the SANFL comp while they push for gaining unprecedented benefits, allowances and rule changes separate from any other SANFL club.
What a crock of ****!

[on the rails]

Well Booney / Beenreal - either way if the PAFC want an AFL reserves side, the Magpies as you know it are dead. Even if both Adelaide AFL Clubs put teams into interstate comps in protest at the SANFL and not getting their own way, the Magpies would die under that model as well simply on cost alone regardless if the SANFL allowed the Magpies to continue as a proper SANFL entity if the Power went interstate!

On the current attitude of the various parties, SANFL reserves is the only model that would potentially allow the Magpies to survive, as little/no additional cost to One Port (trusting that Maggies were allowed to not field a reserves side). And SANFL reserves has apparently been rejected.

No - the SANFL want equality between the 2 AFL clubs so even considering them into the Reserves comp would mean the PAFC Magpie model would also go.

[Spargo]

Norwood lead the "no" charge.Then they come up with a 2 year trial.Could they not think of anything more disruptive?

The irony of port supporters calling other clubs disruptive.

[beenreal]

Funny to see Port supporters point the finger of blame at Adelaide for trying to undermine the SANFL comp while they push for gaining unprecedented benefits, allowances and rule changes separate from any other SANFL club.
What a crock of ****!

With so many AFL players filling spots in your League side, I find it highly amusing to read a Sturt supporter passing any sort of comment.

[Barto]

The AFL already approved the ONE CLUB structure when it was implemented due to the financial benefits it produced.

You really believe that will stand up when Port need to hit the AFL up for a cash injections? Other AFL clubs dont have a junior program.

[gossipgirl]

hard to believe 77 pages of complete nonsense will it get to the magical 100 pages

[Harry the Horse]

"The key principles remain the integrity of the SANFL competition and securing a commitment from the AFL clubs to be part of the SANFL as a genuine competition rather than a training ground for its AFL clubs," Whicker says.

What a crock!

The SANFL can have NO integrity with two reserves teams in it.

[Booney]

The AFL already approved the ONE CLUB structure when it was implemented due to the financial benefits it produced.

You really believe that will stand up when Port need to hit the AFL up for a cash injections? Other AFL clubs dont have a junior program.

I'd like to think the AFL would continue to support a club with direct links to the grassroots than pour doallr after dollar into Footscray.

How the AFL see it is another thing.

[CUTTERMAN]

Funny to see Port supporters point the finger of blame at Adelaide for trying to undermine the SANFL comp while they push for gaining unprecedented benefits, allowances and rule changes separate from any other SANFL club.
What a crock of ****!

With so many AFL players filling spots in your League side, I find it highly amusing to read a Sturt supporter passing any sort of comment.

Not sure what that's got to do with anything. Sturt's not pushing for advantageous concessions or anything that puts them on a different playing field than another SANFL club. You're clutching at straws and deflecting away from the truth which you increasingly refuse to face up to.
Forgive us for developing so many AFL footballers that are on local AFL lists.
Monfries, Wingard, Hombsch, McIntrye, Jaensch & Martin.
Footballers that your club benefits from I might add. It's the system that the SANFL have put in place, we're working within it, it's not ideal. However as I said, we're not the ones asking for special advantages or putting ourselves before what is good for the comp as a whole.
I'll take your deflection and continued finger pointing at others as acceptance that what your club is demanding is undefendable.

[on the rails]

Well said Cutterman!

[Macca19]

So seems like its all but a done deal and seems like the Magpies will be no longer in its current form.

I hope the PAFC give the SANFL a multi million dollar bill for their zones that they've developed over 100 years.

[beenreal]

Funny to see Port supporters point the finger of blame at Adelaide for trying to undermine the SANFL comp while they push for gaining unprecedented benefits, allowances and rule changes separate from any other SANFL club.
What a crock of ****!

With so many AFL players filling spots in your League side, I find it highly amusing to read a Sturt supporter passing any sort of comment.

Not sure what that's got to do with anything. Sturt's not pushing for advantageous concessions or anything that puts them on a different playing field than another SANFL club. You're clutching at straws and deflecting away from the truth which you increasingly refuse to face up to.
Forgive us for developing so many AFL footballers that are on local AFL lists.
Monfries, Wingard, Hombsch, McIntrye, Jaensch & Martin.
Footballers that your club benefits from I might add. It's the system that the SANFL have put in place, we're working within it, it's not ideal. However as I said, we're not the ones asking for special advantages or putting ourselves before what is good for the comp as a whole.
I'll take your deflection and continued finger pointing at others as acceptance that what your club is demanding is undefendable.

So you've developed some AFL players, so what? No different to the likes of Greenwood, Ebert, Broomhead, Lycett, etc. that have come out of Alberton.

When my club wants to maintain links to its local community as it has done for the past 143 years, I don't see what I have to defend.

On the other hand, there's Teflon Corp, that simply wants to chuck a side into the SANFL League competition, rotate an "invitee" list and promote their Brand in rival zones during "coaching clinics", but that's OK by some.

You guys have got so many different versions of "integrity" and "uncompromised" you're tying yourselves up in knots.

10,9,8,7,6.......

[Mr Beefy]

North Adelaide president and league director Bohdan Jaworskyj today maintained there must be "equality" with the AFL reserves model in the SANFL.

"Our concern with the Port Adelaide presentation is we can't see how we can get our hands on a portion of the Port Adelaide Magpies development zone," he said.

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[on the rails]

So seems like its all but a done deal and seems like the Magpies will be no longer in its current form.

I hope the PAFC give the SANFL a multi million dollar bill for their zones that they've developed over 100 years.

And none of the other clubs have developed their zones - what is your point? What about the handout money to prop up "One Club" - you forget that! Selfish and greedy even to the grave!

[lambchops]

Crows rebadged to ravens, invite policy for top up players, play every game away, self promote in rivals zones the week they play. Am I the only one that thinks this sounds mickey mouse to the extreme and an insult to our 140 year proud comp?

Hardly league football worth paying to see.

[PhilH]

IF Port's zone goes
then ALL boundaries would be realigned
so ALL clubs gained approx 11-14% 10-19 year old males to their current zones.

I am sure any club that gained a large chunk of the Magpies current zone
would lose some of their own
so this even realignment occurred.