AFL Reserves Discussion...

[areaman]

Time for eagles and bays fans to hold an agm if you are against this.

Check out how many signatures are required for this to occur and get some answer from your CEOs IMHO!!!

Eagles require 100 signatures to call a Special General Meeting.

[areaman]

Cannot foresee the same situation occurring at Alberton, where winning Premierships will be the aim at both levels.

... thereby defeating the stated motive behind having AFL reserve teams in the first place.

The Crows proposal is all about gaining their own Reserves side playing in the League competition. It's a mercenary stance and any benefits to the SANFL are secondary in their line of thinking.

Port Adelaide simply want ALL their SANFL and AFL players at Alberton. Junior development and maintaining their link to the local community is intricately linked to their proposal.

And yet for this contribution Port Adelaide are portrayed as the bad guys in this.

Beeny, we stand corrected.

There were we all thinking that Port only were interested in their own benefits whereas it's always been the best interests of the SANFL that have driven their proposal.

Thanks for correcting us and apologies for the insinuations that Port were only looking after themselves.

[Booney]

Time for eagles and bays fans to hold an agm if you are against this.

Check out how many signatures are required for this to occur and get some answer from your CEOs IMHO!!!

Eagles require 100 signatures to call a Special General Meeting.

Well, that's buggered things up. Where you going to find 100 Eagles fans?

[MightyEagles]

Time for eagles and bays fans to hold an agm if you are against this.

Check out how many signatures are required for this to occur and get some answer from your CEOs IMHO!!!

Eagles require 100 signatures to call a Special General Meeting.

Well, that's buggered things up. Where you going to find 100 Eagles fans?

Is that why we have 4000 members?

[dedja]

no tarps either ...

[UK Fan]

Time for eagles and bays fans to hold an agm if you are against this.

Check out how many signatures are required for this to occur and get some answer from your CEOs IMHO!!!

Eagles require 100 signatures to call a Special General Meeting.

Well, that's buggered things up. Where you going to find 100 Eagles fans?

Gold!!!

100 signatures of concerned members shouldn't be that hard. Then you can get someone in who
Wants to truly represent his members

[on the rails]

Time for eagles and bays fans to hold an agm if you are against this.

Check out how many signatures are required for this to occur and get some answer from your CEOs IMHO!!!

Eagles require 100 signatures to call a Special General Meeting.

Well, that's buggered things up. Where you going to find 100 Eagles fans?

Is that why we have 4000 members?

Are cats and dogs allowed to vote?

[Booney]

C'mon OTR, thats a bit RUFF!

[PhilH]

AGAIN for the record the Eagles do not have a pet membership.


However the Eagles would have the largest signed up junior membership base in the league.

(as opposed to a club or 2 that automatically include registered auskick / club kids in their figures whether the kids want to sign up or not)


Members Under 18 do not have voting rights.

However the Eagles Adult membership is also at record numbers this year as we have managed to retain the growth gained last season on the back of the 2011 premiership.

[on the rails]

AGAIN for the record the Eagles do not have a pet membership.


However the Eagles would have the largest signed up junior membership base in the league.

(as opposed to a club or 2 that automatically include registered auskick / club kids in their figures whether the kids want to sign up or not)


Members Under 18 do not have voting rights.

However the Eagles Adult membership is also at record numbers this year as we have managed to retain the growth gained last season on the back of the 2011 premiership.

Lot's of kids with funny names down at Oval Avenue - Fido, Scamp, Rusty, Rover etc. LOL

Just joking Phil!

[Jim05]

Time for eagles and bays fans to hold an agm if you are against this.

Check out how many signatures are required for this to occur and get some answer from your CEOs IMHO!!!

Eagles require 100 signatures to call a Special General Meeting.

Well, that's buggered things up. Where you going to find 100 Eagles fans?

Is that why we have 4000 members?

That is a seriously good ammount of members, does the club have a reason why only about a quarter of them attend matches? Is it age or a lot of country members?

[Dutchy]

The Crows are against having their Reserves side play in our Reserves Comp if that ends up what the SANFL clubs want so they could hardly seek to play in the Ammo's which is an even lower standard again!

I don't think the standard is that much different between Div 1 ammos and SANFL Ressies

Agree, in fact Div 1 would be stronger

[Ronnie]

The Crows are against having their Reserves side play in our Reserves Comp if that ends up what the SANFL clubs want so they could hardly seek to play in the Ammo's which is an even lower standard again!

I don't think the standard is that much different between Div 1 ammos and SANFL Ressies

Agree, in fact Div 1 would be stronger

I've always assumed (and it is an assumption as I see little of the ammo's) that the SANFL Reserves comp would be a fair step up from Div 1.
Even the top Div 1 sides have players in them that do very well who I think were fairly ordinary reserves players. Goody Saints have a couple of them at least. The bottom sides in Div 1 have players in them that would get nowhere near SANFL reserves.
The fitness levels alone are a lot higher for a player with a SANFL training requirement. This impacts on the standard of the game too.

[PhilH]

But facilities certainly poorer than SANFL grounds.

You only have to seek the work that needs to be done when AFL selects a suburban or country ground for a NAB Cup game to appreciate the high expectations.


Hey look if the SAAFL is the 2nd option for the Crows outside of SANFL League then good for them ... go for it.


I'm not sure why they want to expose 17yo kids straight out of TAC cup
or a long term baskettball project player
to play week in week out
in what are two physically tough competitions
but I don't have to justfy their duty of care as the players employer.

[Dutchy]

PORT Adelaide has to decide whether it wants an AFL reserves team or an SANFL club badged as the "Magpies".

The SANFL league directors are within a month of calling the critical vote on introducing Crows and Power reserves team to the state league.

But the directors and the SA Football Commission have re-affirmed they will not endorse the Power placing all of its AFL players in the Magpies SANFL league team AND continuing to run the Magpies with reserves, under-age teams and recruiting zones.

SANFL and SACA agree on AFL at the Oval

They are favouring the Crows model which has:

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- ADELAIDE play all its SANFL games as "away" games at an SANFL venue.

- FIND top-up players on a six-week basis.

- SPENDING the week leading up to an SANFL game in their SANFL rival's zone with clinics promoting SANFL
football.

- COMMITTING to the SANFL for a 15-year period - to coincide with the time the Crows and Power will spend
buying back their AFL licences from the SANFL.

- REBADGING their SANFL teams - such as "Ravens" rather than "Crows" for Adelaide and "Magpies" rather than

"Power" for Port Adelaide.

The Power model that allows the Magpies to continue in their present form as a full-scale SANFL club is not being supported.

North Adelaide president and league director Bohdan Jaworskyj today maintained there must be "equality" with the AFL reserves model in the SANFL.

"Our concern with the Port Adelaide presentation is we can't see how the Power can sustain the Magpies with a reserves team and under-age teams in the long run," he said.

Trigg focused on getting Oval job done

Neither the Crows nor Power have offered to pay a licence fee to join the SANFL.

But the Crows are promising they will add $40,000 through gate receipts and catering to the SANFL club hosting the Adelaide reserves. Adelaide expects to draw 2000-4000 fans to its SANFL games.

The league directors meeting at AAMI Stadium on Thursday night ended with:

THE SANFL to spend the next seven days to come up with the preferred model for AFL reserves team. This will determine finances, recruiting rules for top-up players and terms for the new SANFL teams.

THE COMMISSION has determined there must be "equality" for the AFL clubs. This means the Crows and Power will get stand-alone reserves teams - but not the full SANFL club as preferred by the Power.

NORWOOD'S motion for AFL reserves teams in the SANFL reserves competition on a two-year trial period being rejected.

SANFL chief executive Leigh Whicker told The Advertiser this morning the challenge for the commission and the league directors is to close the debate on the reserves issue within a month.

"The key principles remain the integrity of the SANFL competition and securing a commitment from the AFL clubs to be part of the SANFL as a genuine competition rather than a training ground for its AFL clubs," he said.

[am Bays]

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I've always assumed (and it is an assumption as I see little of the ammo's) that the SANFL Reserves comp would be a fair step up from Div 1.
Even the top Div 1 sides have players in them that do very well who I think were fairly ordinary reserves players. Goody Saints have a couple of them at least. The bottom sides in Div 1 have players in them that would get nowhere near SANFL reserves.
The fitness levels alone are a lot higher for a player with a SANFL training requirement. This impacts on the standard of the game too.

Agreed, I said the same thing back on p 50 of this thread.

[on the rails]

That 'Tiser story makes very interesting reading re last nights meeting and the direction it appears the SANFL are going in:

Port Magpies "dead" except for the Power Reserves Team wearing the B&W and calling themselves the Magpies! That was always expected if AFL Reserves Teams were to enter the SANFL.

The Crows Reserves to be called the "Raven's" - WTF

Still not sure about the figures the Crows keeep talking about re attendances, I just cannot see 2000-4000 to turn up being Crows fans - surely that would be the expected overall best attendance not the additional numbers of Crows fans alone but Chapman and co. have the SANFL bluffed if they think that is going to happen?

Take for example if this weekend South are playing the AFC "Ravens" at Noarlunga given the current winter / artic weather, how many will trun up? We also need to consider if the AFL Crows are also playing in Adelaide the same weekend? People only have so much money and time these days and following the AFL is very expensive let alone adding cost by going to a SANFL game the same weekend and that would be dependant on the line up, the weather as mentioned and once the novelty has worn off we could end up with a VFL type crowd situation due to lack of interest and then ultimately what financial benefit is there then vs. the compromise of the comp?

I also don't see winning will be their objective at the cost of their devlomnment needs no matter what they both spruik!

[teaoby]

PORT Adelaide has to decide whether it wants an AFL reserves team or an SANFL club badged as the "Magpies".

The SANFL league directors are within a month of calling the critical vote on introducing Crows and Power reserves team to the state league.

But the directors and the SA Football Commission have re-affirmed they will not endorse the Power placing all of its AFL players in the Magpies SANFL league team AND continuing to run the Magpies with reserves, under-age teams and recruiting zones.

SANFL and SACA agree on AFL at the Oval

They are favouring the Crows model which has:

Start of sidebar. Skip to end of sidebar.

End of sidebar. Return to start of sidebar.
- ADELAIDE play all its SANFL games as "away" games at an SANFL venue.

- FIND top-up players on a six-week basis.

- SPENDING the week leading up to an SANFL game in their SANFL rival's zone with clinics promoting SANFL
football.

- COMMITTING to the SANFL for a 15-year period - to coincide with the time the Crows and Power will spend
buying back their AFL licences from the SANFL.

- REBADGING their SANFL teams - such as "Ravens" rather than "Crows" for Adelaide and "Magpies" rather than

"Power" for Port Adelaide.

The Power model that allows the Magpies to continue in their present form as a full-scale SANFL club is not being supported.

North Adelaide president and league director Bohdan Jaworskyj today maintained there must be "equality" with the AFL reserves model in the SANFL.

"Our concern with the Port Adelaide presentation is we can't see how the Power can sustain the Magpies with a reserves team and under-age teams in the long run," he said.

Trigg focused on getting Oval job done

Neither the Crows nor Power have offered to pay a licence fee to join the SANFL.

But the Crows are promising they will add $40,000 through gate receipts and catering to the SANFL club hosting the Adelaide reserves. Adelaide expects to draw 2000-4000 fans to its SANFL games.

The league directors meeting at AAMI Stadium on Thursday night ended with:

THE SANFL to spend the next seven days to come up with the preferred model for AFL reserves team. This will determine finances, recruiting rules for top-up players and terms for the new SANFL teams.

THE COMMISSION has determined there must be "equality" for the AFL clubs. This means the Crows and Power will get stand-alone reserves teams - but not the full SANFL club as preferred by the Power.

NORWOOD'S motion for AFL reserves teams in the SANFL reserves competition on a two-year trial period being rejected.

SANFL chief executive Leigh Whicker told The Advertiser this morning the challenge for the commission and the league directors is to close the debate on the reserves issue within a month.

"The key principles remain the integrity of the SANFL competition and securing a commitment from the AFL clubs to be part of the SANFL as a genuine competition rather than a training ground for its AFL clubs," he said.

2000 people to a SANFL game does NOT make a profit or a very minor one! go ask your local club! unless the crows are also going to flip the bill for running a match day!
4000 yes a healthy profit but by the sounds of things Opposition clubs supporters will boycott these games in protest. so good luck getting those numbers.

[beenreal]

Rotating "top up" players on a 6 week basis?

Running coaching clinics (promoting their Brand) in their rivals zone?

Egad, no compromises there!

The Crow is a predatory scavenger.

And so is the feathered variety.

[Booney]

Norwood lead the "no" charge.Then they come up with a 2 year trial.Could they not think of anything more disruptive?