AFL Reserves Discussion...

[therisingblues]

Good luck with that kickinit, the new AO will almost bankrupt the state and we will still be paying for it in 100 years still so I cant see a new stadium being built in the near future so you will just have to keep paying rent to the SANFL or go play at Alberton

Once again Jim, I agree.

This will be the biggest white elephant this state has ever seen.

I don't think it will be quite that bad.

However it will only be good for the clubs if the crowds turn up. If they continue to get 15,000 to matches they are doomed regardless of the stadium deal.

The move assumes more people turning up. Recent history suggests otherwise.

I do believe that the sheer convenience of AFL in the city center should get a few extra along. Working against that (in my mind anyway) is that Footy Park was closer to Port's highest concentration of fans: ie, Alberton was just down the road. Admittedly Port have fans all over Adelaide, but if they couldn't get the numbers just around the corner from home, how're they going to do it further away?
I think the Crows will have a problem with the stadium being too small. Whereas Footy Park looked as though it could've been expanded more, the new AO seems to lack the potential.

[CUTTERMAN]

I think it'll be a good stadium, but the novelty will wear off after 5 or so years, crowds will drop back to normal and Port supporters will start saying that its too much like a cricket ground for football or some other piss weak excuse just as they've used for footy park.

[CENTURION]

Good luck with that kickinit, the new AO will almost bankrupt the state and we will still be paying for it in 100 years still so I cant see a new stadium being built in the near future so you will just have to keep paying rent to the SANFL or go play at Alberton

Once again Jim, I agree.

This will be the biggest white elephant this state has ever seen.

why will it be a white Elephant?

[CENTURION]

I think it'll be a good stadium, but the novelty will wear off after 5 or so years, crowds will drop back to normal and Port supporters will start saying that its too much like a cricket ground for football or some other piss weak excuse just as they've used for footy park.

Football crowds will only drop off if the sides aren't winning.

[UK Fan]

I think it'll be a good stadium, but the novelty will wear off after 5 or so years, crowds will drop back to normal and Port supporters will start saying that its too much like a cricket ground for football or some other piss weak excuse just as they've used for footy park.

Football crowds will only drop off if the sides aren't winning.

It's on tv , bad weather , states transport system dispute, bad time slot , its on tv, royal show , black caviar etc.... the list of excuses will be endless.

[CENTURION]

people seem to forget that other events will be staged at Adelaide Oval. Unlike Football Park.

[Agile]

I think it'll be a good stadium, but the novelty will wear off after 5 or so years, crowds will drop back to normal and Port supporters will start saying that its too much like a cricket ground for football or some other piss weak excuse just as they've used for footy park.

Football crowds will only drop off if the sides aren't winning.

Whats this got to do with the topic?
But to join in on the thread of thoughts on Adealaide Oval, it is a typical blinkered view of AFL PTY LTD be the one and only consideration when it comes to footy. Where are everybody attending amateur sports in the northern parklands going to park when AFL is on at Adelaide Oval on a Saturday arvo. Simple answer from the SMA is, " um , dont know, hadn,t thought of that". Good luck finding a park anywhere near Memorial Dve/ Nth Adelaide. Unless public transport is free and on time , it will be beddlem.
And where are all the socializing/ barby people that fill sections of Max Basheer Reserve going to have there barbies before the game.
Walkerville Oval ?

[CENTURION]

We need to get this mentality of "can't go anywhere without car" out of our heads.
As for bbq's before the footy, Adelaide is surrounded by parklands, if you can't find a spot to have your bbq, something is seriously wrong. Try Pinky Flat. Or just don't have one! Is this point REALLY going to stop people from going to the footy??

[beenreal]

I think it'll be a good stadium, but the novelty will wear off after 5 or so years, crowds will drop back to normal and Port supporters will start saying that its too much like a cricket ground for football or some other piss weak excuse just as they've used for footy park.

Football crowds will only drop off if the sides aren't winning.

Whats this got to do with the topic?
But to join in on the thread of thoughts on Adealaide Oval, it is a typical blinkered view of AFL PTY LTD be the one and only consideration when it comes to footy. Where are everybody attending amateur sports in the northern parklands going to park when AFL is on at Adelaide Oval on a Saturday arvo. Simple answer from the SMA is, " um , dont know, hadn,t thought of that". Good luck finding a park anywhere near Memorial Dve/ Nth Adelaide. Unless public transport is free and on time , it will be beddlem.
And where are all the socializing/ barby people that fill sections of Max Basheer Reserve going to have there barbies before the game.
Walkerville Oval ?

Geez, and you reckon Port supporters are full of excuses.

[Pseudo]

^ you need to turn off your autocorrect. It misspelled "excrement".

[Tassie Blues]

Everyone is saying an AFL reserves side in the SANFL will compromise the competition because the priority of the AFL reserves teams will not be to win an SANFL premiership. Just wonder in the last 50 years have we seen any proof that South Adelaide want to win an SANFL premiership?

[whufc]

Everyone is saying an AFL reserves side in the SANFL will compromise the competition because the priority of the AFL reserves teams will not be to win an SANFL premiership. Just wonder in the last 50 years have we seen any proof that South Adelaide want to win an SANFL premiership?

Yes the best team that club can put on the park (albeit an ordinary side) is playing in the league comp.

[CENTURION]

Everyone is saying an AFL reserves side in the SANFL will compromise the competition because the priority of the AFL reserves teams will not be to win an SANFL premiership. Just wonder in the last 50 years have we seen any proof that South Adelaide want to win an SANFL premiership?

Yes the best team that club can put on the park (albeit an ordinary side) is playing in the league comp.

perfect response.

[kickinit]

Good luck with that kickinit, the new AO will almost bankrupt the state and we will still be paying for it in 100 years still so I cant see a new stadium being built in the near future so you will just have to keep paying rent to the SANFL or go play at Alberton

Once again Jim, I agree.

This will be the biggest white elephant this state has ever seen.

I don't think it will be quite that bad.

However it will only be good for the clubs if the crowds turn up. If they continue to get 15,000 to matches they are doomed regardless of the stadium deal.

The move assumes more people turning up. Recent history suggests otherwise.

um thats incorrect, the sanfl has been making around 12million out of each AFL club. To run the SMA it was originally going to take 4million which now has been pushed out 9million. The AFL clubs will get a better deal at AO which is the reason for the crows agreeing.

[Tassie Blues]

Everyone is saying an AFL reserves side in the SANFL will compromise the competition because the priority of the AFL reserves teams will not be to win an SANFL premiership. Just wonder in the last 50 years have we seen any proof that South Adelaide want to win an SANFL premiership?

Yes the best team that club can put on the park (albeit an ordinary side) is playing in the league comp.

and the AFL sides can put its best avaliable league side in each week and still be better than half the teams currently playing.

[therisingblues]

Everyone is saying an AFL reserves side in the SANFL will compromise the competition because the priority of the AFL reserves teams will not be to win an SANFL premiership. Just wonder in the last 50 years have we seen any proof that South Adelaide want to win an SANFL premiership?

Yes the best team that club can put on the park (albeit an ordinary side) is playing in the league comp.

and the AFL sides can put its best avaliable league side in each week and still be better than half the teams currently playing.

Tassie, you ever seen the Harlem Globetrotters play?
I think they win every game, if not 99 percent of them.
A reserves side is not the best available team. There's a condition attached, it's the best available side after the first side has had its pick.
Anyway, whatever side that ends up on the field should be busting its guts to win. If they're not doing that they're either lazy or "above the competition", in that their main goal is to get selected in the firsts.
The Harlem Globetrotters are jet a spectacle. Their objective is to entertain. AFL reserves are there as life support to their first team. If they happen to win on their road to getting selected in the firsts, well jolly good show old chap! If they happen to lose to (for example) a bulldogs side that pulled out all stops and won by attrition in the dying seconds, well that's jolly all right too, old chap, because your best players sat out the final minutes of the slugfest, no point harming those valuable bodies at this level old boy! Save the legs for next week, you've earned yourself a spot in the big league!
You don't find the above scenario unsettling at all? Does it sound right to you?

[whufc]

Everyone is saying an AFL reserves side in the SANFL will compromise the competition because the priority of the AFL reserves teams will not be to win an SANFL premiership. Just wonder in the last 50 years have we seen any proof that South Adelaide want to win an SANFL premiership?

Yes the best team that club can put on the park (albeit an ordinary side) is playing in the league comp.

and the AFL sides can put its best avaliable league side in each week and still be better than half the teams currently playing.

No it will their clubs second best side pretty basic really

[PhilH]

It will be a mixture of

- the worst players on the senior list (not good enough to be in the starting AFL 22)

- rookie listed players (not yet good enough to be on the senior list)

- senior players back from injury (not fit enough to play AFL, possibly not fit enought to play a full SANFL league game either)

- top up players (probably not good enough to yet be an SANFL or AFL senior list)


There will be probably 6-8 players who will shine, guys just on the fringe like Callinan, Johncock & Wright come to mind.

But given some players on a AFL senior list
have started their journey at SANFL reserves level
I am not sure they will have great depth,
especially at the start of a season when the kids are still finding their way.

[Tassie Blues]

Everyone is saying an AFL reserves side in the SANFL will compromise the competition because the priority of the AFL reserves teams will not be to win an SANFL premiership. Just wonder in the last 50 years have we seen any proof that South Adelaide want to win an SANFL premiership?

Yes the best team that club can put on the park (albeit an ordinary side) is playing in the league comp.

and the AFL sides can put its best avaliable league side in each week and still be better than half the teams currently playing.

Tassie, you ever seen the Harlem Globetrotters play?
I think they win every game, if not 99 percent of them.
A reserves side is not the best available team. There's a condition attached, it's the best available side after the first side has had its pick.
Anyway, whatever side that ends up on the field should be busting its guts to win. If they're not doing that they're either lazy or "above the competition", in that their main goal is to get selected in the firsts.
The Harlem Globetrotters are jet a spectacle. Their objective is to entertain. AFL reserves are there as life support to their first team. If they happen to win on their road to getting selected in the firsts, well jolly good show old chap! If they happen to lose to (for example) a bulldogs side that pulled out all stops and won by attrition in the dying seconds, well that's jolly all right too, old chap, because your best players sat out the final minutes of the slugfest, no point harming those valuable bodies at this level old boy! Save the legs for next week, you've earned yourself a spot in the big league!
You don't find the above scenario unsettling at all? Does it sound right to you?

To the best of my knowledge the Harlem Globetrotters are not a professional basketball team competing in any type of competition or league so using them as a comparison to the SANFL is a little insulting to the SANFL competition and its supporters.

Can someone please explain to me how the current SANFL is uncompromised? With each team fielding players that are AFL listed and there main goal is to be selected in there AFL team. Compared to the so called “compromised” SANFL that all these players play in 2 teams?

As for the “they won’t be trying to win” comments I have seen if the current VFL is anything to go but this will not be the case. I have seen a few games live and some on TV and don’t remember Geelong or Collingwood taking player off to be rested for next week when a win was in sight. Didn’t Geelong win and AFL and VFL flag in the same season don’t think they did that by not trying.

[therisingblues]

Hello again Tassie.
Sorry you feel insulted by my HGT's comparison. You are correct it has it's place. If they're not there to compete, they don't belong in a competition.
I also agree that the SANFL is to some extent compromised right now, with players coming and going. So the question is where do you draw the line? For me, the line is crossed when an entire team comes into existence, whose sole purpose is to serve a greater side. I think I am speaking for more than just myself there. So just to reiterate, a few players coming and going but serving their allocated SANFL side to the best of their ability? OK.
An entire team whose main goal is not to win a flag, but to provide players for another league? Not OK.
There are special competitions set up for teams that want to field reserves sides. They're called reserves competitions. As insulted as you were when I brought the HGT's into the conversation, I'd be way more insulted to have a team with an incorrect purpose playing in a serious league as is the SANFL.