AFL Reserves Discussion...

[mighty_tiger_79]

i thought RUCCI today said NORWOOD should be the CROWS reserves so then NORWOOD would have fulfilled their dream of being in the AFL

either way its a joke

[Mark_Beswick]

Were you vocal today Wedgie or did they tell you what you wanted to hear? OR were they sincere with what they said at Roosterland to you today

My turn tomorrow at the Bay when I see the WAFC officials

[sahboz]

Please give it to them cause on ABC today after game they interviewed Westies CEO(not President I agree) but after a bit of hedging basically "could see no reason why it wouldnt be good"

[CENTURION]

Please give it to them cause on ABC today after game they interviewed Westies CEO(not President I agree) but after a bit of hedging basically "could see no reason why it wouldnt be good"

why will it be good?

[sahboz]

Please give it to them cause on ABC today after game they interviewed Westies CEO(not President I agree) but after a bit of hedging basically "could see no reason why it wouldnt be good"

why will it be good?

His personal opinion

[CENTURION]

I know that but no-one has told us why it will be good.

[CENTURION]

This was just posted on facebook, by a friend of mine who is currently in Bali.

"I have been married to my club and the SANFL for over 40 years, I have been a loyal partner through the good times and the bad, but now the SANFL is smelling of another mans expensive perfume and I cant prove a thing.

I gave my loyalty to a working mans game, now I feel like I am being royally shafted by my own family, who have forgotten there roots.

I signed up for a game called Australian Rules Football the peoples game, Not something now known as the AFL, My lover has had her head turned by a flash harry in a suit. It was a game not a brand and for me my club was branded only in my heart. I gave my love and got love back in return simple as that, now there is a scramble to get on the gravy train, football was never a job it was something to escape from your job.

I like many am hurting so bad deep in my guts and nobody has the manners to ask or tell me the truth. Big business never asks a question it doesn't know the answer to.

Breaking up is hard to do......"

[Jim05]

Please give it to them cause on ABC today after game they interviewed Westies CEO(not President I agree) but after a bit of hedging basically "could see no reason why it wouldnt be good"

why will it be good?

His personal opinion

Or is it because without the money the AFL clubs would have to pay some clubs like West wont be around in a few years time
Im sure a couple of clubs on the brink will seriously consider this financial life support

[CENTURION]

but they won't be in existence anyway!

[sahboz]

The bottom line is the Gayfl clubs are in it for their self interest .
We are in it for the Sanfl
The two are mutually exclusive

[Mark_Beswick]

Apologies to Kym R (CEO WAFC) - I was wrong in suggesting he has stated publicly he is for the AFL to play in the SANFL and comments made from other that he said so on the ABC were mischevous. He is yet to make his mind up on the matter. Like many of us, we would like to see some polling on the matter independent of any party. On speaking with Kym today, he like ALL CEO's, may have an opinion, but yet to deliberate fully on it at this time until more information comes to hand. Like all CEO's he has contact with board members, but no vote on the matter. The director soley has the vote but will be informed by the boards of a club - BUT ultimately the director has the final say.

In speaking today (June 24), it was discussed that the AFL proposal is yet to be tabled for board perusal. The response to the proposal from SANFL is yet to be formulated to test projections and forecasts tabled by AFL clubs. At this time WAFC is yet to make a decision for or against.

[csbowes]

I just love how our president came out and made a statement about our clubs position... yet the club has not researched anything, doesn't have all the information and certainly hasn't bothered to engage with the membership on it.

Typical.

When it comes down to it, it appears too many of the people who are running the clubs, have their eyes on AFL appointments and/or are so stove piped in their thinking, its all about them or some short term win for the club.

We all know our clubs will sell out.

[whufc]

X2 CSBowes

And that's why I have no issue jumping if the clubs come in.

It was funny how Central voted yes for the one club and within a month the then president ended up with a job on the SANFL commission

[BrekkyDJ]

Go to an AFL game with Melbourne based teams and see how many kids follow Essendon and Port Melbourne. How many kids that are watching Hawthorn tonight do you think will be going to watch Frankston tomorrow.

I don't see how the VFA/L is at all relevant to this discussion about what will happen in our state. They have a different and unique situation in that their main state league morphed into the national league. How many people would have had a VFL & a VFA alignment? How many people would have gone to both leagues matches in the 70s, 80s & 90s? How many people here go to SANFL & SA Amateurs on a weekly basis?

Its different for us because for everyone here, the SANFL club comes/came first before they supported a VFL/AFL club. I don't think many people would have supported a VFA club first and foremost. Families are still going to tell their children that they should be West or Eagles or Sturt fans growing up.

In the 70s and early 80s it was common for people to have a VFL (AFL) team and a VFA team. This was due to the VFL playing on Saturdays and the VFA having exclusivity (and live TV coverage) on Sunday.

What killed the VFA was the Sydney Swans. This allowed the VFL to get around the then state government blocking them from playing Sundays, where they would every 2nd week have a game beamed live into Melbourne from Sydney.

Soon, with Friday Night, Saturday Afternoon, Saturday Night and Sunday Arvo footy, the VFL took up all the TV/Radio airtime and all the media coverage. Thus this generation of supporters have grown up not even thinking about the VFA.

[CUTTERMAN]

Looks like we're going to get a football monoculture and at least in SA it's going to be at the hands of Port Adelaide and to a lesser degree Adelaide. When we look back we will say that the rot set in in 1990, but I think it has actually happened since Demitriou has been in the position. I doubt a lot of this would've happened under Wayne Jackson.

[Harry the Horse]

Please give it to them cause on ABC today after game they interviewed Westies CEO(not President I agree) but after a bit of hedging basically "could see no reason why it wouldnt be good"

That was Sturt CEO Matt Benson, not Kym Russell

[sjt]

3000 extra people what have you been smoking Chapman? Getting that Shonk Trigg (Who should have been sacked)to do the figures again.

Chapman can't be serious can he?

FE, sorry if you've been asked this before, but what impact crowd wise have the alignments had on the WAFL? i.e when Claremont host either Peel or the Royals have the crowds differed a lot from prior years? What has happened to Peel and East Perth home crowds? What about mainstream media coverage?

This is farcical by chapman, he thinks 3,000 might come to a game adding $40,000 to a clubs coffers. Big deal, what if actually its 1500 (more likely)? Are they going to underwrite the gate. Surely it has to be a 3,000 increase over current averages otherwise what's the point.
Chapman says only one page on his report covers the financials, probably because it doesn't make sense or has too many holes in it. The article goes on to say it would add $400,000 to each teams coffers - each team! How? So is this $400,000 from the crows and $400,000 from port. $800,000 total or $7.2mill cost to the afl teams (excluding cost of running a reserves team). Is this on top of any current income? Seems very, very smelly.
They want to join, they have to demonstrate how it will benefit the SANFL. Not guess with out foundation that 3,000 supporters might go to a game. Just an aside, most players appreciate the bye, so no byes is not a significant advantage to the afl clubs destroying our competition. Destroying our competition for potentially no ones benefit doesn't seem a logical risk to take.

[CUTTERMAN]

Yeh the bye argument is a stupid one. "It'll get rid of the bye and that'll be better for the competition".
Err aren't the AFL players wanting two byes next year? Err aren't AFL players all full time? Err aren't all SANFL players working full time jobs apart from playing football?

[Wedgie]

Struggling to remember all that was said at yesterday's lunch as I got smashed but Bohdan was adament North's position would be against any AFL reserves sides playing in the SANFL.
He had an email from a director in the 90s who was telling him and other directors to fight the good cause and to pass on that a lot of what Keith Thomas and the papers are utter lies.
In the mid 90s the blueprint that EVERY SANFL club agreed upon was that whoever was successful in being the 2nd club in the AFL would withdraw a team from the SANFL and make it an 8 team competition, ie Port Magpies, Norwood would pull out if their arrangement with Sturt failed, the Eagles would pull out if the cartel got up, etc.
It was only Max Basheer and Leigh Whicker and co who wanted the Magpies to have 2 clubs. Hence why things got changed to ensure the clubs have a say in the makeup of the comp in the future, not a couple of goons.

He said clubs had received submissions from the 2 AFL clubs about their possible reserves sides being in the SANFL.
The Crows have provided an extensive report, the Power have provided a 2 page amateur effort that could be bettered by a 5yo in Grade 1.
Port as recently as yesterday one hour into our reserves game continuously treat SANFL clubs with contempt and for them to expect any favours just shows how either ridiculously arrogant they are or how ridiculously incompetent they are, or both which probably is the case.
The Crows will get a fair hearing as they treat the clubs with respect but even then it will be unlikely to get up unless other clubs cave in to financial conditions. Port have got no chance of getting anything up* and can blame their own incompetence and disdain for that, their club members should be ropeable with their club as they're their own worst enemy.

[mighty_tiger_79]

Struggling to remember all that was said at yesterday's lunch as I got smashed but Bohdan was adament North's position would be against any AFL reserves sides playing in the SANFL.
He had an email from a director in the 90s who was telling him and other directors to fight the good cause and to pass on that a lot of what Keith Thomas and the papers are utter lies.
In the mid 90s the blueprint that EVERY SANFL club agreed upon was that whoever was successful in being the 2nd club in the AFL would withdraw a team from the SANFL and make it an 8 team competition, ie Port Magpies, Norwood would pull out if their arrangement with Sturt failed, the Eagles would pull out if the cartel got up, etc.
It was only Max Basheer and Leigh Whicker and co who wanted the Magpies to have 2 clubs. Hence why things got changed to ensure the clubs have a say in the makeup of the comp in the future, not a couple of goons.

He said clubs had received submissions from the 2 AFL clubs about their possible reserves sides being in the SANFL.
The Crows have provided an extensive report, the Power have provided a 2 page amateur effort that could be bettered by a 5yo in Grade 1.
Port as recently as yesterday one hour into our reserves game continuously treat SANFL clubs with contempt and for them to expect any favours just shows how either ridiculously arrogant they are or how ridiculously incompetent they are, or both which probably is the case.
The Crows will get a fair hearing as they treat the clubs with respect but even then it will be unlikely to get up unless other clubs cave in to financial conditions. Port have got no chance of getting anything up* and can blame their own incompetence and disdain for that, their club members should be ropeable with their club as they're their own worst enemy.

what happened an hour into the reserves game??